Art of War by Sun Tzu

[Blackking]

I tried looking for a thread on it.....

Can we analyze and break this down?

I know that we've all read it... Did you know it was written around 500 BS - on Bamboo Strips taped together.

He said that he could train any people to be a proficient Army... demonstrated it by murking two female sex slaves and making the other chicks perform combat moves..... Thousands of years later - This shyt is required read at West Point and any respectable Military school on our planet.

IT emphasized strategy over force.... and the example is how the US lost the Vietnam war...... We had a huge powerful army with a crazy General who saw the battlefield like playing Chess.

They had a leader who didn't need a powerful force to fukk up the US Military because he followed basic principles.


1) What r the other principles?

2) How did dude get this knowledge in the first place!?!?

 

[Suicide King]

I read that Sun Tzu did not exist and this book was written by a group of authors. Also, you have to be careful which translation you get.

I think Art of War, The Prince, and 48 Laws of Power is about learning to control your emotions and specific strategies for success. You don't really need books to teach you to balance your emotions and being a schemer/strategist, but its still an entertaining read.

 

[Blackking]

I read that Sun Tzu did not exist and this book was written by a group of authors. Also, you have to be careful which translation you get.

I think Art of War, The Prince, and 48 Laws of Power is about learning to control your emotions and specific strategies for success. You don't really need books to teach you to balance your emotions and being a schemer/strategist, but its still an entertaining read.

Where did you read that about him not existing?!?!

Also, you don't need these books I guess.... but it's not like people just know this shyt....

Strategy' isn't usually prefect even by the most educated amongst us... I see this shyt daily, I have 1 partner who is Italian.. that dude out strategies people, fukking loops around people and its easy because he's study all of this.

And if it's common sense, y aren't all world leaders on it? It's said that most of the bloodshed in modern wars could have been avoided had everyone been following this.

 

[DEAD7]

We didnt "lose" Vietnam, but interesting post none the less.and you do have to be careful with the translation.

 

[Blackking]

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

“All warfare is based on deception.”

Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment — that which they cannot anticipate.”

 

[Suicide King]

And if it's common sense, y aren't all world leaders on it? It's said that most of the bloodshed in modern wars could have been avoided had everyone been following this.

Dark Knight quote says it best.

Some people just want to see the world burn. Call them evil, call them sociopaths. You can't negotiate with these people. Chaos and destruction is their only motive. Many people died saying lets avoid war with Hitler or Saddam, lets try more peaceful channels.

The books are interesting, but way too basic, and scheming is an art that you have to practice, but its not a necessary science. I rarely feel the need to scheme, because I'm not surrounded by schemers, also there is not some prize I have to get by outmaneuvering someone.

Even I love Robert Greene's books, it was mostly for entertainment purposes. I found Dale Carnegie to be a better read than Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, and Robert Greene.

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

We didnt "lose" Vietnam, but interesting post none the less.and you do have to be careful with the translation.

we kill a million... we lose 60,000. and who won in the end?.... regardless if we won or lost, who gained anything out of that?

regardless N. Vietnam took over and turned the country communist....how are you not counting vietnam as a loss @DEAD7 ?







edit: DEAD7 I'm a diehard capitalist as well.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

We didnt "lose" Vietnam, but interesting post none the less.and you do have to be careful with the translation.

Uh, if Saigon fell to the north Vietnamese, they renamed it Ho Chi Minh city and unified the country under their communist government, how exactly did we not lose?

 

[DEAD7]

If we lost the war, it was here at home that we were defeated not overseas. Many of the Veit generals have admitted they couldn't continue to fight much longer...


But that aside, a nation of our power doesn't "lose" wars, rather we decide the cost of victory is too high and concede. The popular idea that nation capable of removing entire cities from the map, was outmatched by gorilla tactics is silly. But acknowledging just how awesome America is remains unpopular, so you get spins like this.

 

[DEAD7]

Basically Americans weren't feeling the war and called it off. We were never defeated.
If that's a loss than

I say we are unbeaten.

 

[Blackking]

Basically Americans weren't feeling the war and called it off. We were never defeated.
If that's a loss than

I say we are unbeaten.

The

War

wasn't just

against a bunch of random asians in the Jungle with guns and mines, with a goal of killing a 100K of them...

The goal was to stop communism..
We didn't meet that goal, nor did we meet any other objective.... And we managed to turn our own troops into the 'enemy' to the American public in the process.
We put American arrogance, imperialism, and dysfunctionallity (by not being able to sweep a much smaller, less funded force) on display for the world to ridicule.
We lost in the tactical game...
Somehow, lol, A freaken Western Power even lost in the mental/propaganda game
1)Our media personalities, Athletes, public figures... Figures in London and all of Europe.. and many of our youth all blasted the goals of our empire = L
2) Even the shyt we won we lost.. like Walter Cronkite coming on TV saying the VC won the v offensive when in reality non of that happened - We didn't get an embassy taken, we put holes in all the VC that ran up, and our forces were domaniant at the time ----- THEN the Gen. Giap claims that Cronkite and our protest is what encouraged them to fight even harder...


Plus we didn't understand jungle and gorilla warfare. Our public didn't have a stomach for the amount of lives the war would cost. Siagon freakin fell. The communist still were doing there thing after the treaty.
Communism is very attractive to the poor and oppressed... the goal was to make it unacceptable and to stop it's spread... Basically tell them what's best for them. Latin America, China, East Europe all were going commie - and we tried to make the statement in Vietnam and got our nations mind fukked up.

 

[DEAD7]

Stopping communism was an unattainable goal. If that is the metric your using we loss before firing a shot.

I still hold that we are unbeaten in war.

 

[Blackking]

^^^^^^^

If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles.

He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious.

Confront them with annihilation, and they will then survive; plunge them into a deadly situation, and they will then live. When people fall into danger, they are then able to strive for victory.

In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to take the enemy's country whole and intact; to shatter and destroy it is not so good. So, too, it is better to recapture an army entire than to destroy it, to capture a regiment, a detachment or a company entire than to destroy them.

it did us a disservice to go about that Vietnam cluster fukk the way we did.... we won that cold war soviet shyt without killing a bunch of people and came out of it with all these mental victories and tangible things that we can use for the future.... We let the North VC capture Siagon n shyt... and then had our own youth spitting on the troops.....




George Orwell and HG wells both coined the term 'cold war' ...... That's interesting to me. Cold War, Big Brother, thought police, Room 101, doublethink, and thoughtcrime, The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Set_Free']The World Set Free and When the Sleeper Wakes [/URL]

These are their books.

 

[just my thoughts]

We didnt "lose" Vietnam, but interesting post none the less.and you do have to be careful with the translation.

I read that Sun Tzu did not exist and this book was written by a group of authors. Also, you have to be careful which translation you get.

I think Art of War, The Prince, and 48 Laws of Power is about learning to control your emotions and specific strategies for success. You don't really need books to teach you to balance your emotions and being a schemer/strategist, but its still an entertaining read.

Which translation do you guys suggest?

 

[thekingsmen]

The goal was to stop communism..

The goal was to have control of the region( Laos, Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam) away from influence of China so it can control resources and strategic areas. It was never about communism that was the illusion.