Are We ready to talk about Lamar Jackson turning into EJ Manuel when all the chips are on the table? Or Nah?
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murksiderock
Superstar
Lamar was picked 32nd in the NFL draft 2018. According to the white NFL scouts and experts, he was merely the 4th best Quarter back in his draft . Players like Darnold, Josh Rosen and Mayfield were deemed better players.
Every sane person that saw him play in colllege could see he was way better than that. So he goes on to inevitably exceed the lowly expectations set for him based on his draft ranking.
Youngest MVP QB ever and so on. So now you want to crucify him because he hasn't figured it out in the playoffs in year 3 while these mediocre QB's rated higher and taken ahead of him have not even achieved 1/4 th of what he's done in his career so far? .
Trubisky is an embarrassing bust taken 2nd overall yet some of the Bears fanbase still cuddle him because he has the complexion for the protection. He somehow is still the starting QB there. Daniel Jones, another QB taken higher than Lamar in the following 2019 draft class is wank and the national football media doesn't even talk about him. Jones was taken 6th overall. Of course none of those guys were even close to what Lamar was in college.
See how ridiculous and overblown criticism of Lamar is when its broken down? The goalposts will continue to be moved for him until he wins the Superbowl.
You're comparing him to the likes of Jones and Trubisky, of course he's better than those guys lol...
It remains to be seen whether he or Baker is the better QB, but they in the same division so we'll find out as time goes on pretty quickly. Both these guys are pretty similar as far as giving them the greatest chance to shine, but a heavy run game with an elite defense around them and they both perform at top levels...
With Lamar, just speaking for myself, he's so obviously the product of superb coaching and scheming. The problem with that is, you can get away being a system QB in the regular season when you have the system to a science; in the playoffs you have back-against-wall moments where you have to play outside your scheme and win games with your arm and your head. He hasn't done that yet. The big win over Cleveland a few weeks ago is the most impressive performance I've ever seen from Lamar, it was truly a bullet point on his resume but its the only game I've seen him like that...
He aint been nothing like that in any of his playoff games, not even close...
Oh for sure Goff is under the gun too, but thats the overall issue too, we anoint these guys after one hot year without seeing how they settle in to The Big Leagues as who they really are...
Goff was an MVP candidate just two years ago and looked like the next great quarterback. Come to find out, looks like the coaching makes him look better than he actually is...
I don't disagree that Bmore has to give him more talent, they really aren't that skilled at WR/TE, but in general they've maximized the best Lamar can give them right now, I think thats brilliant. The rest is on Lamar, and he only Y3 so I expect him to improve to some degree, but to WHAT degree? I dont see a guy who can consistently throw guys open, a guy who can take over games with his arm, a guy who can make plays when a defense can hold his running in check, etc...
DropTopDoc
20/20 Vision With my Buffs On
Lamar was picked 32nd in the NFL draft 2018. According to the white NFL scouts and experts, he was merely the 4th best Quarter back in his draft . Players like Darnold, Josh Rosen and Mayfield were deemed better players.
Every sane person that saw him play in colllege could see he was way better than that. So he goes on to inevitably exceed the lowly expectations set for him based on his draft ranking.
Youngest MVP QB ever and so on. So now you want to crucify him because he hasn't figured it out in the playoffs in year 3 while these mediocre QB's rated higher and taken ahead of him have not even achieved 1/4 th of what he's done in his career so far? .
Trubisky is an embarrassing bust taken 2nd overall yet some of the Bears fanbase still cuddle him because he has the complexion for the protection. He somehow is still the starting QB there. Daniel Jones, another QB taken higher than Lamar in the following 2019 draft class is wank and the national football media doesn't even talk about him. Jones was taken 6th overall. Of course none of those guys were even close to what Lamar was in college.
See how ridiculous and overblown criticism of Lamar is when its broken down? The goalposts will continue to be moved for him until he wins the Superbowl.
there ain’t too many who are advocating for Mitch even in the white fan base, and folks gotta relax and see the situation for what it is, he is a good to great qb the scheme is letting him down, but he has to make better reads, he does need some better personnel, but we can be critical of Lamar and not hate him, nor want him to fail or opinion be considered wishing his downfall
He’s a decent passer to great passer, you make it seem like he couldn’t hit a barn
they have to get a better scheme and rebuild that offensive line, also they have to get over themselves they should have played Ingram
malbaker86
Gators
Come on bruh, he won the MVP in his second season. After doing that, what you do in the post season becomes all that matters. This ain’t new
DropTopDoc
20/20 Vision With my Buffs On
@murksiderock i agree with A few points you made on the post you just @‘d me on
i think if they step beyond the read option look, mix in more rpo,re-build the o-line, get some complementary wrs like a possession and a good second dude to bump Hollywood to the slot, and come up with more short shyt he may look different. When i look at Goff i look at a guy limited by what’s between his ears and mcvay getting read by a good defensive coach, that’s literally Lamar, he has to get to work to get better. I like a lot of the stuff Buffalo is running it’s like what Lamar runs but a third option and better skill players
i think if they step beyond the read option look, mix in more rpo,re-build the o-line, get some complementary wrs like a possession and a good second dude to bump Hollywood to the slot, and come up with more short shyt he may look different. When i look at Goff i look at a guy limited by what’s between his ears and mcvay getting read by a good defensive coach, that’s literally Lamar, he has to get to work to get better. I like a lot of the stuff Buffalo is running it’s like what Lamar runs but a third option and better skill players
Kurt Warner disagrees, he did a solid breakdown on why he feels the current offensive scheme in Baltimore leaves a lot to be desired in it's passing concepts. Good food for thought from a Hall Of Famer.
Bboystyle
Bang Bang Packers gang!
Lamar showed he can sling the rock in his MVP year so questioning his arm talent is null. What needs to be question is his offensive game plans. They seem to not cater to throwing much and when they do decide to throw, its the most basic scheme u can lay eyes on. The problem is, with the limited weapons he has, they dont do much pre snap motion or anything that plays to their WRs strengths. They run a basic ass passing system that my grandma can figure out. The only time they become successful is if the play is broken and Lamar resorts to extending the play and finding a man open down field that wasnt intially intended for.
Not witholding Lamar from blame as some blame is on him. He needs to work on a few things himself. But the main problem is their system and lack of weapons
Not witholding Lamar from blame as some blame is on him. He needs to work on a few things himself. But the main problem is their system and lack of weapons
Roadie pipeher
From the embers
on what planet?
You do know I was banned for a few months from this site because I said I wouldn't be able to control myself around one particularly fine sista.
Just because I also like white women doesn't mean I am "denigrating" black women.
You were also banned for lusting after a white pre-teen actress, so what’s your point, pedo?
Ethnic Vagina Finder
The Great Paper Chaser
If you're not a great passer, coaches can only hide so much.
Basically the defense has to be great and your running game has to be elite.
But what if it's not? Your team is screwed.
The point is he said I denigrate black women in favor of white women. Couldn't be further from the truth. I like fine women of every hue. Just cause I favor white women doesn't mean I also don't like black women.
Ethnic Vagina Finder
The Great Paper Chaser
Black Bolt
Superstar
Man’s got Hollywood, Dez Bryant (in 2021!) & Willie Snead as his receiving core . I’m not sure there’s a worse trio in the league let alone the playoffs.
Hollywood’s decent but ideally he should be 3rd option.
Add in an OC whose passing schemes are trivial to your average Madden player , it’s a miracle they have any success passing the rock.
I’d love him with Kyle Shanahan but I fear he’s gonna be wasted with Harbaugh & Roman. Baltimore’s offensive woes have far less to do with LJ than the narratives suggest
Hollywood’s decent but ideally he should be 3rd option.
Add in an OC whose passing schemes are trivial to your average Madden player , it’s a miracle they have any success passing the rock.
I’d love him with Kyle Shanahan but I fear he’s gonna be wasted with Harbaugh & Roman. Baltimore’s offensive woes have far less to do with LJ than the narratives suggest
Lamar was picked 32nd in the NFL draft 2018. According to the white NFL scouts and experts, he was merely the 4th best Quarter back in his draft . Players like Darnold, Josh Rosen and Mayfield were deemed better players.
Every sane person that saw him play in colllege could see he was way better than that. So he goes on to inevitably exceed the lowly expectations set for him based on his draft ranking.
Youngest MVP QB ever and so on. So now you want to crucify him because he hasn't figured it out in the playoffs in year 3 while these mediocre QB's rated higher and taken ahead of him have not even achieved 1/4 th of what he's done in his career so far? .
Trubisky is an embarrassing bust taken 2nd overall yet some of the Bears fanbase still cuddle him because he has the complexion for the protection. He somehow is still the starting QB there. Daniel Jones, another QB taken higher than Lamar in the following 2019 draft class is wank and the national football media doesn't even talk about him. Jones was taken 6th overall. Of course none of those guys were even close to what Lamar was in college.
See how ridiculous and overblown criticism of Lamar is when its broken down? The goalposts will continue to be moved for him until he wins the Superbowl.
They gonna do Lamar like they did Peyton Manning before he won his first Super Bowl. I can see it.
That’s why I’m totally cool with Giannis getting the criticism that he does as winning MVP early in your career accelerates your timelines and increases the expectations to win now.
Success creates expectations and it’s always been that way. Whether it’s fair or not sometimes.