Anyone watching ROH Border Wars tonight?

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ROH isn't the ROH it used to be and I think people forget that.

The company has certainly changed quite a bit in the last 4 or 5 years, and obviously not all for the better.

Still though, all the 'ROH is terrible now' talk is pure jaded hyperbole. They have the best weekly wrestling show on TV, and outside of the recent production disasters, their iPPVs generally always deliver. I think Final Battle 2011 was the only time I ever felt I didn't get my moneys worth from ROH.
 

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Personally, I just don't give a fukk about any "new guy" they have on the roster. And I can watch their main guys have great matches in other places.

The Generico/Steen feud was the last thing they did that hooked me, after that I just lost interest.
 

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Of course it matter, PWG doesn't worry about long term booking. They just make the most entertaining cards they can with the talent that it's available (and half the time they have to book on the fly because 1 or 2 people no-show at the last minute). Granted, they make an amazing job with their model, but there's no way ROH can do something similar.

If Steen does the same shyt he does in Reseda 10 times a year on a weekly TV show, "house shows" and iPPVs, he's gonna get stale very fukking quick.

This i agree with and i understand your point now. When PWG does longterm booking though it usually works as it did with Human Tornado vs Chris Hero.


I do not watch the weekly ROH show as there are only a handful of guys i care about. So in watching videowires and iPPV he isnt so stale to me. Ive also liked Steen since his IWS days in canada so i am a bit biased
 

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Yeah, comparing PWG (which, ironically, runs on the same type of supercard model that ROH was founded on) and ROH is a bit much, as they're very different promotions.

But honestly, LastEmp has a bit of a point. Not much of one, but there's something to it.

Steen needs to have something interesting done with him real fukking quick or else he's going to get stale as champion. I just don't think he rely on this gimmick for 9 mo. to a year and stay over as any type of fresh babyface.

And as for him as a worker? He's still good, but think about this: He faced Eddie Edwards at Showdown at the Sun and proceeded to have A Match. Not a good or bad or even mediocre match. Just something that was the epitome of Just There. Remember that Eddie isn't some rank amateur bum that can't tell stories or is devoid of workrate. Now think back and ask yourself just how many non-gimmick Steen matches could be called really good since his return as a pregnant man in his third trimester. As a main eventer anywhere (yes, even WWE and TNA), you have to be counted on to put on consistent 20 minute mains and the like. I'm really not sure Steen can do that as he is.

And his look is horrid. Drop at least 20 lbs. and shave a bit. Get some non-gear that looks less dumpy as well.

Can he still work? Yeah, but not as well as before. Can he talk? Extremely well, but we said that about Punk in July as well. Can he keep that quality up? Who knows.

Yes, he absolutely should have been champion by the end of the summer. But I'm just not sure he can keep all of this momentum up.
 

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I haven't watched ROH in a long ass time.....

But I see Finlay and Rhino? :wtf:
 

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I haven't watched ROH in a long ass time.....

But I see Finlay and Rhino? :wtf:

Finlay brings a lot to the table I think. He's still remarkably good, especially for someone in his 50s. Plus he has a ton of credibility, so he's perfect for putting younger guys over.

I have no idea why they're booking Rhino. He adds nothing.
 

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Finlay brings a lot to the table I think. He's still remarkably good, especially for someone in his 50s. Plus he has a ton of credibility, so he's perfect for putting younger guys over.

I have no idea why they're booking Rhino. He adds nothing.


Isn't that the same reason they have/had Lance Storm and Jerry Lynn though?
 
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Finlay brings a lot to the table I think. He's still remarkably good, especially for someone in his 50s. Plus he has a ton of credibility, so he's perfect for putting younger guys over.

I have no idea why they're booking Rhino. He adds nothing.

Finlay is more of the same as Rhino.

He's not really putting anyone over, because the reality is he's a guy who got fired from the WWE and is in his mid-50`s.

ROH used to showcase future WWE stars up and down the card, now they are a resting home for those on Larry Holmes status.

And the champ is a fat fukk. Is every match he's gonna have be a hardcore match? Whose paying to see him fight the B level fighters on the smaller cards? At least when ya had Davey you knew he`d carry someone
 

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Who is this guy that won the belt?

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