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Make your own luck.
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Dudes are seriously pissy about getting called out for this stupid ass, childish thinking. Notice no one responding to the arguments laid out below, just constant juelzing through the thread. Look at the posts of @Crude Abolitionist @Indiglow Meta (R$G) @K Bishop .
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Seriously...I would almost propose an outright ban. This shyt is too important, and post-Trump people are still talking this nonsense.
In lieu of that, let's unpack and respond to some of the most common things these idiots say. I encourage those of you who espouse any "idiot" views below to come and make your best case as to why, at the very least, voting shouldn't be done as a preventative measure.
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Idiots: Voting will never solve black peoples' problems.
Reasonable adults: Of course voting alone won't solve black peoples' problems. But this is like saying don't exercise because exercise alone won't prevent a heart attack. Voting at worst is preventative of things getting worse.
To that end...
Idiots: Bad things like police murders, economic inequality, and other things happened under democrats, so why vote for them? It's just going to be more of the same.
Reasonable adults: Without getting into the mechanics of the political system and why expecting a party to take care of a whole host of issues for you unilaterally is stupid, let's assume the pessimistic argument that democrats are apathetic about black issues and test it...
Who wants to do away with affirmative action? Republicans.
Who wants to close and is closing majority black polling stations? Republicans
Who wants to defund public education and programs that help black children in economically struggling households, all the while giving tax cuts to the most wealthy (mostly cac) Americans? Republicans
Who refuses to even have serious investigation of police brutality / police murders? Republicans
Who is OK with Nazis in the street, says they're the same as protestors, and allows them in the highest levels of government? Republicans
Who is setting the tone that says to white children that it's OK to demean black children at school? Republicans
These are all tangible issues in which Republicans are actively working to undermine policies that empower and support black people.
Unless you are to seriously contest that Democratic politicians are as antagonistic to black issues and black policies as Republican politicians, the thing a serious adult would do in this situation would be to vote for the party that is apathetic towards them rather than antagonistic.
Purity politics idiots are basically saying it's equally as bad to let the person who wants to murder you run the police department, courthouse, schools, etc., as it is to let the person who just doesn't care about you run those things. That makes no fukking sense.
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Idiots: Voting isn't the answer. We need group economics, black run schools, etc., etc.
Reasonable people: No one's saying voting is the answer. It's a stop gap and one of many things we need to do to make sure it's possible to do some of the things you want to. None of the things you want to do can be done overnight, nor is voting a huge distraction from them. At the most basic level, voting takes 1, maybe 2 nights every few years at the national level - are you saying that's too much of a distraction?
How can you recognize that we live under a system of white supremacy, but also think that we can do all of these things needed for black empowerment without some form of legal protection and policies that prevent CACs from blatantly looking to undermine or counter those efforts?
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Idiots: Hop off of [liberal politicians'] dikk. They don't really care about us.
Reasonable people: Are you voting or picking a spouse? Nut up and look at what policies they support vs. their opponent, and vote pragmatically.
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Idiots: The true way forward for us is to support real, progressive policies. Not these cookie cutter democrats. I'm not voting for a cookie cutter democrat. The only way to get the party headed in the right direction is to let these cookie cutter democrats lose time and again.
Reasonable people: Damn, you're right. Wouldn't it be great if there was some kind of first election, maybe we'd call it...a primary election... where you get to choose the politician that's going to represent the party before the general election. Oh wait there is exactly such a thing
. Maybe we make progressive preferences known there . Then we don't have to let active white supremacists and promoters of white supremacy into office to make a point . Who thought of this???
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Idiots *from safety of their couch*: Voting isn't the answer. We need to strap up and make them fear us. fukk voting.
Reasonable people: Lead the way, breh
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Idiots *posting from somewhere in America*: Voting isn't the answer. We need to move back to Africa. fukk voting.
Reasonable people: Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Dudes are seriously pissy about getting called out for this stupid ass, childish thinking. Notice no one responding to the arguments laid out below, just constant juelzing through the thread. Look at the posts of @Crude Abolitionist @Indiglow Meta (R$G) @K Bishop .
*END EDIT*
Seriously...I would almost propose an outright ban. This shyt is too important, and post-Trump people are still talking this nonsense.
In lieu of that, let's unpack and respond to some of the most common things these idiots say. I encourage those of you who espouse any "idiot" views below to come and make your best case as to why, at the very least, voting shouldn't be done as a preventative measure.
-----
Idiots: Voting will never solve black peoples' problems.
Reasonable adults: Of course voting alone won't solve black peoples' problems. But this is like saying don't exercise because exercise alone won't prevent a heart attack. Voting at worst is preventative of things getting worse.
To that end...
Idiots: Bad things like police murders, economic inequality, and other things happened under democrats, so why vote for them? It's just going to be more of the same.
Reasonable adults: Without getting into the mechanics of the political system and why expecting a party to take care of a whole host of issues for you unilaterally is stupid, let's assume the pessimistic argument that democrats are apathetic about black issues and test it...
Who wants to do away with affirmative action? Republicans.
Who wants to close and is closing majority black polling stations? Republicans
Who wants to defund public education and programs that help black children in economically struggling households, all the while giving tax cuts to the most wealthy (mostly cac) Americans? Republicans
Who refuses to even have serious investigation of police brutality / police murders? Republicans
Who is OK with Nazis in the street, says they're the same as protestors, and allows them in the highest levels of government? Republicans
Who is setting the tone that says to white children that it's OK to demean black children at school? Republicans
These are all tangible issues in which Republicans are actively working to undermine policies that empower and support black people.
Unless you are to seriously contest that Democratic politicians are as antagonistic to black issues and black policies as Republican politicians, the thing a serious adult would do in this situation would be to vote for the party that is apathetic towards them rather than antagonistic.
Purity politics idiots are basically saying it's equally as bad to let the person who wants to murder you run the police department, courthouse, schools, etc., as it is to let the person who just doesn't care about you run those things. That makes no fukking sense.
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Idiots: Voting isn't the answer. We need group economics, black run schools, etc., etc.
Reasonable people: No one's saying voting is the answer. It's a stop gap and one of many things we need to do to make sure it's possible to do some of the things you want to. None of the things you want to do can be done overnight, nor is voting a huge distraction from them. At the most basic level, voting takes 1, maybe 2 nights every few years at the national level - are you saying that's too much of a distraction?
How can you recognize that we live under a system of white supremacy, but also think that we can do all of these things needed for black empowerment without some form of legal protection and policies that prevent CACs from blatantly looking to undermine or counter those efforts?
------
Idiots: Hop off of [liberal politicians'] dikk. They don't really care about us.
Reasonable people: Are you voting or picking a spouse? Nut up and look at what policies they support vs. their opponent, and vote pragmatically.
------
Idiots: The true way forward for us is to support real, progressive policies. Not these cookie cutter democrats. I'm not voting for a cookie cutter democrat. The only way to get the party headed in the right direction is to let these cookie cutter democrats lose time and again.
Reasonable people: Damn, you're right. Wouldn't it be great if there was some kind of first election, maybe we'd call it...a primary election... where you get to choose the politician that's going to represent the party before the general election. Oh wait there is exactly such a thing
. Maybe we make progressive preferences known there . Then we don't have to let active white supremacists and promoters of white supremacy into office to make a point . Who thought of this??? ------
Idiots *from safety of their couch*: Voting isn't the answer. We need to strap up and make them fear us. fukk voting.
Reasonable people: Lead the way, breh
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Idiots *posting from somewhere in America*: Voting isn't the answer. We need to move back to Africa. fukk voting.
Reasonable people: Be the change you wish to see in the world.
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, I remember people on here saying there was no difference between Trump and Hilary and me even buying into that. cacs will be cacs but Trump has taken it to another level and the republicans need to know there are consequences to being full on WS.
