Any victims of the African Diaspora speak other languages outside of your regional colonizers?

[Jamal514]

I speak French, but not the kind that's spoken in France, French-Canadian French.

 

[Seea]

y'all bilinguals/trilinguals so lucky.

 

[Anbesa]

I know some tigrinya, I'm trying too get fluent in it right now

 

[WaveGang]

congo is not in west africa

west-central Africa, I agree with you tbh.

I was just giving this guy lee way for arguments sake, to see where he was going with his thesis.

Still waiting for a reply from him too

 

[Dada]

--I don't see why we shouldn't learn Kiswahili. It's entire grammar is Bantu and at least 40% of our people forcibly transported over here came from Bantu-speaking areas. Kiswahili just has a chunk of Arabic words in its lexicon, it's framework is still the same.There is great value in learning it, especially considering resources to do so are plentiful. Once you learn one, you already will know how to put together sentences, use prefixes/suffixes, and at least some words. I've studied Kiswahili, Fang, Shona, Chichewa, Kituba (Kikongo), and Lingala, two of which I use regularly, going from one to the other isn't difficult, though each has its own flavor and quirks. Many of us have ancestry from Cameroon on down to Angola, and all the way to the area in and around Mozambique. I've studied original documents, slave ports and narratives, various book as well as studied DNA, for years. People emphasize West Africa but only telling part of the story, plus, some people call everything "West Africa" if it's not extreme north, extreme east, and extreme south Africa. Talking to people from some of these areas, they don't consider themselves in West Africa.

 

[WaveGang]

--I don't see why we shouldn't learn Kiswahili. It's entire grammar is Bantu and at least 40% of our people forcibly transported over here came from Bantu-speaking areas. Kiswahili just has a chunk of Arabic words in its lexicon, it's framework is still the same.There is great value in learning it, especially considering resources to do so are plentiful. Once you learn one, you already will know how to put together sentences, use prefixes/suffixes, and at least some words. I've studied Kiswahili, Fang, Shona, Chichewa, Kituba (Kikongo), and Lingala, two of which I use regularly, going from one to the other isn't difficult, though each has its own flavor and quirks. Many of us have ancestry from Cameroon on down to Angola, and all the way to the area in and around Mozambique. I've studied original documents, slave ports and narratives, various book as well as studied DNA, for years. People emphasize West Africa but only telling part of the story, plus, some people call everything "West Africa" if it's not extreme north, extreme east, and extreme south Africa. Talking to people from some of these areas, they don't consider themselves in West Africa.

Good post
source on this?


Definitely agree with the ephasixe on West Africa, Because the Arabs were taking West Africans into slavery.... So it's illogical to think Europeans didn't do the same.

The bottom line is we're all one Black Nation

 

[Tommy Knocks]

is it congo-brazzaville or RDC influenced?

RDC

 

[Dada]

Good post
source on this?


Definitely agree with the ephasixe on West Africa, Because the Arabs were taking West Africans into slavery.... So it's illogical to think Europeans didn't do the same.

The bottom line is we're all one Black Nation

I'll see if I can compile some links tomorrow.

 

[Dada]

Spoiler

^Since I haven't been asleep yet, I think post a few links and ramble on the topic.

Diaspora: Total 45-50% from Bantu-speaking peoples and areas in Central, East, and South/SE Africa, including S. Cameroon (Fang, Maka..) to Angola (Kimbundu, Umbanda, Kikongo speakers), Mozambique (Makwa, Yao, Tsonga..) and the surrounding area + western Indian Ocean islands (Quirimba islands, which acted as European and Arab (slave+) trading posts and ports).

I wrote this before I found the quotes so it may overlap. To what became the United States: %'s do include SE Africa: Virginia received 17-25% from Central Africa whereas Igbo and Senegambians (Wolof, Serer, Fulani, Manding speakers, etc) were predominant. It's flipped in the Carolinas/Georgia: it's about 30-40% (newer research says the latter) combined through all the centuries but during some time periods as many as 70% of the Africans being shipped to this region were coming from Central Africa, with smaller numbers coming from those other groups. Other ports in America aren't as polarized as Virginia favoring Igbo/SG's and South Carolina favoring Angolans/(Ba)Kongo, so I didn't include regional no.'s. The Africans first brought over to America were from Angola (many Melungeons have this ancestry).

Recent studies of Central Africans in other areas of the Americas have
highlighted several themes. Among the most important are ethnicity, identity,
and the issue of the extent to which African culture shaped Afro-
Diasporic and American cultures. In the Louisiana Slave Database and the
Louisiana Free Database for 1719–1820 that Gwendolyn Midlow-Hall recently
published, for example, the author noted that of the 8,840 Africans of
identified ethnicities (of which there were 18 listed), the highest cluster was
for Congo, which accounted for 3,035 or 34.3% of the ethnicities listed.22
Data for the South Carolina Lowcountry for the period between 1730 and
1744 demonstrate that Central Africans accounted for 73.7% of the founding
slave population in this region. The fact that many of these slaves went
on to form the founding generation for many areas of the Lower South suggest
a significant Central African cultural presence. Despite this, however,
as yet there is little work available that examines the Central African cultural
impact in North America.

Total:

In any case, as the research on the
demographics of the slave trade had demonstrated, Central Africans were
ubiquitous in all regions. Indeed, they comprised nearly 45% or around
5 million of the 11 million Africans imported as slaves into the Americas
from Africa between 1519 and 1867.

Haiti also received a large percentage of enslaved Central Africans. Their
presence was particularly noticeable during the eighteenth century, when,
on the eve of the Haitian Revolution, Central African slaves accounted
for a little over half of the over 400,000 enslaved Africans in the colony.

Some regions far exceeded others
in the number of Central Africans they received. Brazil, for example, led
the way in importation of enslaved Africans from Central Africa.
Total 4,875,000/11,026,000 44.3

--Central Africans and Cultural Transformation, a great book which lines up with current research. I think I'll post a link.

Links: http://www.cr.nps.gov/ethnography/aah/aaheritage/histContextsD.htm

http://uncpress.unc.edu/browse/book_detail?title_id=742 Great book, it's posted free somewhere on the net but I don't have the link handy. Lots of charts and numbers.

http://www.slavevoyages.org/tast/assessment/estimates.faces
Areas of interest: 'West Central Africa and St.Helena' + 'South-east Africa and Indian Ocean Islands'

http://africandna.com/ScienPapers\T...hondrial_DNA_and_the_Atlantic_slave_trade.pdf ...they have it at 5/13 Central/SE and 8/13 West, but as they state in the article itself "details are lacking". Much of the numbers/info people often quote comes from guesstimates from several decades ago.

On 23andMe alone, I've found cousins from West, West-Central, and East Africa (who's people speak both their language and Kiswahili). Also quite a few cousins from the various islands + South America: Bahamas, Barbados, Jamaica (several), Haiti,Trinidad and Tobago, Guyana (several).

Only topic I can't be succinct about.

 

[Ikwa]

the only place in West Africa that speaks Swahili in West Africa is Congo.

Congo's in Central Africa cmon now breh

 

[mbewane]

Not sure what "African diaspora" refers to, but since I'm African and not living in Africa I guess I qualify.

I speak french (mother tongue), english, italian, some dutch and have a passive knowledge of spanish.

Unfortunately I only have a very basic knowledge of the main language in Central African Republic (sango) and none at all of my father's ethnic group (gbaya).

 

[WaveGang]

Spoiler

^Since I haven't been asleep yet, I think post a few links and ramble on the topic.

Diaspora: Total 45-50% from Bantu-speaking peoples and areas in Central, East, and South/SE Africa, including S. Cameroon (Fang, Maka..) to Angola (Kimbundu, Umbanda, Kikongo speakers), Mozambique (Makwa, Yao, Tsonga..) and the surrounding area + western Indian Ocean islands (Quirimba islands, which acted as European and Arab (slave+) trading posts and ports).

I wrote this before I found the quotes so it may overlap. To what became the United States: %'s do include SE Africa: Virginia received 17-25% from Central Africa whereas Igbo and Senegambians (Wolof, Serer, Fulani, Manding speakers, etc) were predominant. It's flipped in the Carolinas/Georgia: it's about 30-40% (newer research says the latter) combined through all the centuries but during some time periods as many as 70% of the Africans being shipped to this region were coming from Central Africa, with smaller numbers coming from those other groups. Other ports in America aren't as polarized as Virginia favoring Igbo/SG's and South Carolina favoring Angolans/(Ba)Kongo, so I didn't include regional no.'s. The Africans first brought over to America were from Angola (many Melungeons have this ancestry).



Total:






--Central Africans and Cultural Transformation, a great book which lines up with current research. I think I'll post a link.

Links: http://www.cr.nps.gov/ethnography/aah/aaheritage/histContextsD.htm

http://uncpress.unc.edu/browse/book_detail?title_id=742 Great book, it's posted free somewhere on the net but I don't have the link handy. Lots of charts and numbers.

http://www.slavevoyages.org/tast/assessment/estimates.faces
Areas of interest: 'West Central Africa and St.Helena' + 'South-east Africa and Indian Ocean Islands'

http://africandna.com/ScienPapers\The_African_diaspora_Mitochondrial_DNA_and_the_Atlantic_slave_trade.pdf ...they have it at 5/13 Central/SE and 8/13 West, but as they state in the article itself "details are lacking". Much of the numbers/info people often quote comes from guesstimates from several decades ago.

On 23andMe alone, I've found cousins from West, West-Central, and East Africa (who's people speak both their language and Kiswahili). Also quite a few cousins from the various islands + South America: Bahamas, Barbados, Jamaica (several), Haiti,Trinidad and Tobago, Guyana (several).

Only topic I can't be succinct about.

thats was up, always nice to see my brothers in these coli streets. Gonna read this n research tonight

Congo's in Central Africa cmon now breh

hey, fukk you guy

 

[Dada]

thats was up, always nice to see my brothers in these coli streets. Gonna read this n research tonight

I haven't been sleep in two days but I can't tell if you got my gender wrong or if my reading comprehension is off.

 

[WaveGang]

I haven't been sleep in two days but I can't tell if you got my gender wrong or if my reading comprehension is off.

you a chick?

damn sister, nothing more sexy than panafricanism on a woman. My Queen, I'll make it my personal aim to see you receive back your throne

ALL black women

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I dunno, this kinda depends on what you mean. Are you referring to the recent African diaspora or the Africans brought through the Middle Passage? Might help to clarify but I think you mean the latter. I've met brothas that speak African languages, DC has an underground Afrocentric scene so its not uncommon.

I'm Ethiopian though a born and raised American so I'm looked at as a Diasporan by a foreign born, most of us can't speak our languages(Ethiopia has 100s of languages, as do many African countries) but I'm pretty decent at Amharic. Gotta holla at the broads somehow.