Anti-gay libertarians...

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I've noticed this. KTL OG free marketeers @Meta Reign and @Princepality of Zeon have said some of the most hateful things I've ever read here about homosexuals in the past. Ron Paul stan supreme @Hiphoplives4eva makes half of his posts in HL condemning men having sex with each other.

Libertarian icon Grand Exalted Cyclops :sadpaul: is against gay marriage and his infamous newsletters written by Lew Rockwell or whoever who he co-signed read like Mowgli's posts. Ayn Rand (I know she didn't call herself a libertarian, but her philosophy complements and informs it) absolutely hated homosexuality.

I know there are plenty of libertarians who support gay rights, but I also think that if there was a way to take a poll of people who call themselves libertarians, most of them would be against gay rights, and most of them pretty anti-gay in general.

What's up with that? Gays and libertarians/free marketeers should make natural bedfellows (no pun intended). Libertarians favor individual freedom to do whatever one desires as long as they're not harming anyone else. And they are supposed to be strict constitutionalists. I would think that laws like Prop 8 in California violate the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the 14th amendment.

Personal emotion aside, what are libertarians and free marketeers' philosophical cases a.) for condemnation of homosexuality from a standpoint of ethical judgment, b.) against gay marriage from a legal standpoint?

 

[The Real]

I think it's a sociological problem. Most so-called Libertarians are just traditional Conservatives with a slight twist (trad. Conservatives were also anti-interventionist, for example, but also very Christian,) and not actually Libertarians. They just adopt that name so as not to be associated with the modern GOP.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I think it's a sociological problem. Most so-called Libertarians are just traditional Conservatives with a slight twist (trad. Conservatives were also anti-interventionist, for example, but also very Christian,) and not actually Libertarians. They just adopt that name so as not to be associated with the modern GOP.

You're exactly right, but I wanted to hear them try to tell it.

The Ron Paul curriculum. http://www.ronpaulcurriculum.com/ Written by a guy who is a Christian Reconstructuralist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism

 

[MeachTheMonster]

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[Julius Skrrvin]

"im not a republican even though i voted for Romney and everyone else on the ticket. Im a libertarian"

 

[Jello Biafra]

Anti-gay Libertarian = Conservative Republican with low self-esteem

 

[Blackking]

I'm not sure if libertarians just don't like gay people or not.... but some of the gay rights policies will take the US government telling the governments of each state what to do... they don't like that.
Also they are mostly conservative.. so it' makes sense for them to lean towards traditional values. - Not crazy neocon values, or neo liberal values... just traditional.

Their are gay caucuses within the GOP and libertarian groups... so it's just like everything else... some people just don't like fakkits, others are supporters.

Regardless, if a libertarian is pro states rights, then how can he support gay movements that call on Central governments to force upon the average citizens mentality a complete change in customs and traditions regarding military service, marriage and other issues??

 

[Type Username Here]

I think it's a sociological problem. Most so-called Libertarians are just traditional Conservatives with a slight twist (trad. Conservatives were also anti-interventionist, for example, but also very Christian,) and not actually Libertarians. They just adopt that name so as not to be associated with the modern GOP.

Spot on. Most of these people calling themselves libertarians are not, and our conservatives through and through.

 

[Grand Conde]

None of the people you listed are actually 'libertarian'.

 

[Meta Reign]

I've noticed this. KTL OG free marketeers @Meta Reign and @Princepality of Zeon have said some of the most hateful things I've ever read here about homosexuals in the past. Ron Paul stan supreme @Hiphoplives4eva makes half of his posts in HL condemning men having sex with each other.

Libertarian icon Grand Exalted Cyclops :sadpaul: is against gay marriage and his infamous newsletters written by Lew Rockwell or whoever who he co-signed read like Mowgli's posts. Ayn Rand (I know she didn't call herself a libertarian, but her philosophy complements and informs it) absolutely hated homosexuality.

I know there are plenty of libertarians who support gay rights, but I also think that if there was a way to take a poll of people who call themselves libertarians, most of them would be against gay rights, and most of them pretty anti-gay in general.

What's up with that? Gays and libertarians/free marketeers should make natural bedfellows (no pun intended). Libertarians favor individual freedom to do whatever one desires as long as they're not harming anyone else. And they are supposed to be strict constitutionalists. I would think that laws like Prop 8 in California violate the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the 14th amendment.

Personal emotion aside, what are libertarians and free marketeers' philosophical cases a.) for condemnation of homosexuality from a standpoint of ethical judgment, b.) against gay marriage from a legal standpoint?

Here are my personal feelings on homosexuality. . . It's godawful disgusting and filthy behavior (except in the case of two beautiful woman. . . Call me a hypocrite, meh). I would describe it as a psycho-sexual disorder, and I think it should be treated as such by the medical establishment. I hate faqgits . . . Sue me.

Here are my legal feelings on homosexuality. . . People have the goddamn right to love whoever they want, and fukk whoever they want, and "marry" whoever they want. Gay marriage should be handled on the state level, but ideally I don't think the government should be involved in marriage at all. The federal government shouldn't even be THINKING about it in any capacity.

See POLITICALLY, I'm a "Libertarian", I guess. Socially and personally, I'm a conservative.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Here are my legal feelings on homosexuality. . . People have the goddamn right to love whoever they want, and fukk whoever they want, and "marry" whoever they want. Gay marriage should be handled on the state level, but ideally I don't think the government should be involved in marriage at all. The federal government shouldn't even be THINKING about it in any capacity.

Hetero marriage is regulated by the federal goverment. So why should homo marriage not get the same treatment?

 

[Meta Reign]

Hetero marriage is regulated by the federal goverment. So why should homo marriage not get the same treatment?

I don't think the Feds should be involved in marriage, gay or straight. And marriage isn't as much "regulated" by the Feds, as much as it is by the states.

Marriage is a religous act IMO. Government need not be involved. The whole gay marriage debate that goes on in this nation serves as nothing but one big distraction if you ask me.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I don't think the Feds should be involved in marriage, gay or straight. And marriage isn't as much "regulated" by the Feds, as much as it is by the states.

Problem is they are already involved. If all citizens deserve equal rights, why shouldn't gay people get the same federal marriage rights as everyone else? Or do you advocate stripping hetero couples of their marriage rights?

Marriage is a religous act IMO. Government need not be involved. The whole gay marriage debate that goes on in this nation serves as nothing but one big distraction if you ask me.

Marriage in the eyes of the law has absolutely nothing to do with religion. People fighting for marriage rights are not fighting for religious rights. The federal goverment promotes and rewards marriage for heterosexual people, should gay people not be eligible for those rewards due to their sexual orientation?

 

[DEAD7]

@ the comments in this thread.


Libertarians(myself being one) aren't' for gay marriage because it represents more government involvement in peoples lives.
We would prefer gays campaign for government to get out of marriage altogether and remove all "rights"/"privileges" attached to it.
Let marriage be a personal choice between two people, and two people alone.

Spoiler

and there is no such thing as marriage inequality.

 

[The Real]

@ the comments in this thread.


Libertarians(myself being one) aren't' for gay marriage because it represents more government involvement in peoples lives.
We would prefer gays campaign for government to get out of marriage altogether and remove all "rights"/"privileges" attached to it.
Let marriage be a personal choice between two people, and two people alone.

Spoiler

and there is no such thing as marriage inequality.

The problem with this argument is that most self-identified libertarians never campaign for this. Instead, like our friend Meta Reign, they want to leave it to the states, which everyone knows would result in a continuation of marriage inequality (the unequal access of couples to legal entitlements, which is the status quo.)

I should note, though, that the US Libertarian Party's official stance is pro-gay marriage, as was Gary Johnson's. They recognize that marriage inequality actually exists, unlike you.