Andre Ward: Right Now Move To 175 Don't Make Sense

[Skip b]

You refuted my points with technical talk and disproving what I'm saying....U got me @Skip b

Oh wait breh.....You didn't you just said that Ward will have ring rust (true), and that froch win was a few years ago. You didn't tell me how Sergei is gonna get his lead foot outside of Wards.....You didn't tell me what Sergei is going to do to defend against the Ward double stutter feint lead left hook -right hand combo(surprising because thats one of 2007-2013 Floyd's go to move) in fact you offered no tecnical analysis whatsoever. So with those bullshyt Lampley/Fat dan esque arguments

Kovalev doesnt have to worry about that shyt, it's Ward who has to find a way to get past the reach and distance of Kovalev Bhop tried and got clipped in the very first round......Ward the former 175 pounder aint fighting someone smaller than him, if Ward can't out muscle SK, is he gonna beat him on the outside

I been easy on Ward bytchmade ass, talking about 175'ers drain down from 190, but luckily for him and his dikkriding ass supporters I dont have the time, many past articles Ward has stated he enter camp at 190......


Stutter Feints......Ward couldn't beat Kovalev if he threw kamehameha's

 

[Skip b]

Footballs on fakkit. So you need elite speed and elite power to be a succesfull boxer?

I aint say shyt about successful, I said elite level attributes, being very good in all areas wont help with the, reflexes, fundamentals, raw power and distance of Kovalev

 

[yawn]

Alright lets have a civilized break down my man. Legacy wise you believe he is superior, but you called Andre above average so the conversation was never about legacy, rather skill, which is why I asked you to tell me what area Garcia is superior in, but okay lets talk Legacy. Ward is an olympic gold medalist, meaning he has a higher amateur pedigree regardless of Garcias amateur record..that much is irrefutable. Now lets move on to the pros, Andre Ward won the super six and have effectivley cleaned out the entire 168 lb division, everyone who is a name in that division has been beaten by Ward. Now correct me if I am mistaken but Garcia has not cleaned out his division...truthfully he had difficulty with khan to the point where his father was pleading with him to do something to save himself from the beating he was facing, and he lost to Herrera, I dont think anyone refutes that. So where and how is Danny superior to Ward, from a technical stand point or legacy wise. Because their is no way Garcia had a better amauter career because an Olympic gold medal trumps any golden glove trophy won at a local pal tournament lol the highlight of his amatuer career was winning the nationals meanwhile Ward won on a international level. And if I am not mistaken 140 is still filled with fighters who pose a threat to Danny, so he has not cleared that division, Paq is back at 140, so you cant even say Garcia is the best in the division with Paq there now....all of this is facts, no bias opinion, skill wise, accomplishment wise, Garcia is not on the same level as Ward. If you have a solid argument against this, id love to hear it, or a good argument to oppose my view from anyone is welcome big homie.

We can't argue skills because that is subjective but when it comes to professional accomplishments it isn't as clear cut for Ward as you make it seem

Ward did clean out 168 (which is popping right now) but it was a older Euro dominated division before his Kessler victory and those same top rated Euros never attempted to fight each other until the Super Six
Throw in wins over the Lineal 175 champ, top 5 contender Rodriguez and Ward's last 5 years are worthy of his P4P ranking

Now like you said Danny hasn't cleaned out 140 but that's a result of his division being the 2nd best one in boxing and full of young fighters who fight each other
So there's always constant movement in the rankings and new worthy contenders arrive yearly so you cant clean it out unless you Hagler it
3 underdog wins (Morales,Khan,Matthysse) wins over Judah, Morales, Herrera and Salka in only 2 years is clearly on par with Ward's accomplishments in 5 years

 

[Tilesp4p]

We can't argue skills because that is subjective but when it comes to professional accomplishments it isn't as clear cut for Ward as you make it seem

Ward did clean out 168 (which is popping right now) but it was a older Euro dominated division before his Kessler victory and those same top rated Euros never attempted to fight each other until the Super Six
Throw in wins over the Lineal 175 champ, top 5 contender Rodriguez and Ward's last 5 years are worthy of his P4P ranking

Now like you said Danny hasn't cleaned out 140 but that's a result of his division being the 2nd best one in boxing and full of young fighters who fight each other
So there's always constant movement in the rankings and new worthy contenders arrive yearly so you cant clean it out unless you Hagler it
3 underdog wins (Morales,Khan,Matthysse) wins over Judah, Morales, Herrera and Salka in only 2 years is clearly on par with Ward's accomplishments in 5 years

As far as skills being subjective, fair enough I guess that point cant be argued.(but I would love to hear skill wise what you believe Garcia can do better then Ward)
But Garcias wins being on par with Ward in my opinion isnt a fair exchange. Especially considering the fact that once again his wins are tainted...the fight he had with Herrera is one he lost ,to anybody who watched it who wasnt a Garcia fan. You said that his division is filled with young fighters who fight each other, I believe that makes Garcias resume look even worse, he virtually hasnt fought anyone in the top 10 besides matthysse. (http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/jr-welterweight, link to the rankings) he has been to busy fighting guys like Salka and Herrera(and barley getting by at that). Meanwhile Ward has spent a large part of his recent career fighting only guys in the top 5-10. Ward was fighting guys with winning records since his pro debut, If you check boxrec he fought one man who had a losing record (aka a can), menawhile Danny's first 8 fights were against people with losing records, Ward has been proving himself and his skills since day one, since his first step into the pro arena. Danny is still carefully picking his opposition in his weight class meanwhile Ward can barley get his hands on anybody at 168, Garcia is content with fighting Salka instead of fighting a top ten guy like AB or Ruslan...shyt or even Algeri.

 

[Skip b]

As far as skills being subjective, fair enough I guess that point cant be argued.(but I would love to hear skill wise what you believe Garcia can do better then Ward)
But Garcias wins being on par with Ward in my opinion isnt a fair exchange. Especially considering the fact that once again his wins are tainted...the fight he had with Herrera is one he lost ,to anybody who watched it who wasnt a Garcia fan. You said that his division is filled with young fighters who fight each other, I believe that makes Garcias resume look even worse, he virtually hasnt fought anyone in the top 10 besides matthysse. (http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/jr-welterweight, link to the rankings) he has been to busy fighting guys like Salka and Herrera(and barley getting by at that). Meanwhile Ward has spent a large part of his recent career fighting only guys in the top 5-10. Ward was fighting guys with winning records since his pro debut, If you check boxrec he fought one man who had a losing record (aka a can), menawhile Danny's first 8 fights were against people with losing records, Ward has been proving himself and his skills since day one, since his first step into the pro arena. Danny is still carefully picking his opposition in his weight class meanwhile Ward can barley get his hands on anybody at 168, Garcia is content with fighting Salka instead of fighting a top ten guy like AB or Ruslan...shyt or even Algeri.

Garcia resume shyts all over Ward breh, no need for paragraphs over here



Swift should have been the undisputed champ at 140 twice if not for politics, thats legacy and lineage....What's Ward legacy and lineage ATG wise, beating a Froch only for Froch to be 100 times more successful and in far more memorable matches than SOG, and thats basically the only thing worth mentioning, on top off the running, ducking drug test, hiding his bytch ass on the side lines because HBO wants that Kovalev fade

 

[Tilesp4p]

Garcia resume shyts all over Ward breh, no need for paragraphs over here



Swift should have been the undisputed champ at 140 twice if not for politics, thats legacy and lineage....What's Ward legacy and lineage ATG wise, beating a Froch only for Froch to be 100 times more successful and in far more memorable matches than SOG, and thats basically the only thing worth mentioning, on top off the running, ducking drug test, hiding his bytch ass on the side lines because HBO wants that Kovalev fade

Well you seem pretty convinced that he is the better boxer so
But lemme ask you this, if he is the king of 140, now that paq is back at 140....how long do you think thats going to last, honesty?

 

[Skip b]

Well you seem pretty convinced that he is the better boxer so
But lemme ask you this, if he is the king of 140, now that paq is back at 140....how long do you think thats going to last, honesty?

JMM, leaves Manny comatose, Timmy Bradley levitates him..............Swft decapitates him

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

As far as skills being subjective, fair enough I guess that point cant be argued.(but I would love to hear skill wise what you believe Garcia can do better then Ward)
But Garcias wins being on par with Ward in my opinion isnt a fair exchange. Especially considering the fact that once again his wins are tainted...the fight he had with Herrera is one he lost ,to anybody who watched it who wasnt a Garcia fan. You said that his division is filled with young fighters who fight each other, I believe that makes Garcias resume look even worse, he virtually hasnt fought anyone in the top 10 besides matthysse. (http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/jr-welterweight, link to the rankings) he has been to busy fighting guys like Salka and Herrera(and barley getting by at that). Meanwhile Ward has spent a large part of his recent career fighting only guys in the top 5-10. Ward was fighting guys with winning records since his pro debut, If you check boxrec he fought one man who had a losing record (aka a can), menawhile Danny's first 8 fights were against people with losing records, Ward has been proving himself and his skills since day one, since his first step into the pro arena. Danny is still carefully picking his opposition in his weight class meanwhile Ward can barley get his hands on anybody at 168, Garcia is content with fighting Salka instead of fighting a top ten guy like AB or Ruslan...shyt or even Algeri.

You talking out your ass breh with the Swift slander

First of all Khan got figured out after 2 RDS...the 3rd rd before the big left hook landed Swift had adjusted...worked the body which Khan didn't like N out landed Khan in power punches...nikka is a counter puncher miss me with the bu bu but Khan was winning 2 rds bullshyt

Herrera admitdly fought as a spoiler...wanted to jab N grab all night...the nikka knew he was losing due to the open scoring N still stayed with the shytty gameplan N went for the "moral victory" N let's not forget Swift landed 72 more power punches in the fight...judges take note of shyt like that

As far as Danny not fighting AB, Provodnikov or Algieri... I shouldn't even have to explain that shyt but will if you'd like let me know

Campbell
****
Morales 2xs
Khan
Judah
Matthysse
Herrera

Ring Champ, WBC Champ, WBA Super Champ...should have the IBF 2xs

Name me a young fighter with a better resume





#swiftset









:mfchamp:

 

[krackdagawd]

nikkas bigging up Zab Judah and Morales wins in 2015

We comparing nikkas who have no answer for a fukking jab to #2 p4p guys

 

[krackdagawd]

Campbell
****
Morales 2xs
Khan
Judah
Matthysse
Herrera

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

@krackdagawd


Those Campbell N **** Ws were nice for a young fighter testing himself...lets not forget HBO had there **** pom poms that whole fight

Morales was but he had the belt...gave Chino hell the fight before that... Cheated the weight...was on roids N Swift was green at the time

Judah had just beat undefeated Paris...N was ranked top 10

 

[WhodatWhoadi]

As of now Garcia>>>>Ward Legacy wise miss me with your shyt

If you disagree, break this down, I'll wait.........

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[Skip b]

@krackdagawd


Those Campbell N **** Ws were nice for a young fighter testing himself...lets not forget HBO had there **** pom poms that whole fight

Morales was but he had the belt...gave Chino hell the fight before that... Cheated the weight...was on roids N Swift was green at the time

Judah had just beat undefeated Paris...N was ranked top 10

Dont bother nikkas wont be consistent anyway like Ward aint have many easy touches throughout the years......

All those bodies, and Swift this and that because of Salka


Swift career as of now>>>>Ward it's not even debatable.......

 

[merklman]

I dont give a fukkk what you wrote, does Ward have elite speed...... no...........do he have elite power, no...........

On top of that you have to prove your attributes are elite level vs elite level fighters, and Ward hasn't, he looking for every bytchmade excuse to avoid those matches reiterates the point that he aint elite, and even he dont have that confidence in himself

Morales Twice
Khan
Judah
Matthysse

Greater than Froch, and the myriad of c class fighters Ward has fought.........

Danny hasnt fought anyone elite

None of them wins are better than the froch win at that point in opponents careers

 

[krackdagawd]

@krackdagawd


Those Campbell N **** Ws were nice for a young fighter testing himself...lets not forget HBO had there **** pom poms that whole fight

Morales was but he had the belt...gave Chino hell the fight before that... Cheated the weight...was on roids N Swift was green at the time

Judah had just beat undefeated Paris...N was ranked top 10

I don't think Danny is a bad fighter but his resume/skillset isn't comparable to Ward but like you said Danny is still young. I don't have to type out any of those "bbbut" for Ward's resume.


Who hbo cheer leads isn't a concern to me

I'm taking the wins for what they are if nikkas were flabby they were flabby. I've said on here multiple times I never thought much of Maidana so old ass Morales giving him a hard time is .

Good to know we bigging up Judah wins though, my Paulie stanning gonna eat good of this