American Folk songs of black/afram origin

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Chapter 1: The Origins of SaintsWhile perhaps most of us currently know “Saints” as a piece of early jazz, it occupies a much more vast musical space, encompassing many different genres. The song was likely first performed and orally transmitted as a spiritual by African-American slaves during clandestine religious ceremonies. In the late nineteenth century it was picked up by New Orleans brass bands during funeral processions. Throughout the 1920s and 30s it was recorded by many folk, gospel, and blues artists from both major and minor record labels. These are the three main areas where “Saints” existed prior to Armstrong’s 1938 recording. The main issue regarding the origins of “Saints” however, is that it has been recognized as an anonymous piece of traditional music, as well as a composed piece attributed to a specific author(s)
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I thought I posted in here but I did in another thread:


When the Saints Go Marching In (negro spiritual)

"When the Saints Go Marching In", often referred to as "The Saints", is an American gospel hymn that has taken on certain aspects of folk music. The precise origins of the song are not known. Though it originated as a spiritual, today people are more likely to hear it played by a jazz band. The song is sometimes confused with a similarly titled composition "When the Saints are Marching In" from 1896 by Katharine Purvis (lyrics) and James Milton Black (music)

A traditional use of the song is as a funeral march. In the funeral music tradition of New Orleans, Louisiana, often called the "jazz funeral", while accompanying the coffin to the cemetery, a band would play the tune as a dirge. On the way back from the interment, it would switch to the familiar upbeat "hot" or "Dixieland" style. While the tune is still heard as a slow spiritual number on rare occasions, from the mid 20th century it has been more commonly performed as a "hot" number. The number remains particularly associated with the city of New Orleans, to the extent that it is associated with New Orleans' professional football team, the New Orleans Saints. Both vocal and instrumental renditions of the song abound. Louis Armstrong was one of the first to make the tune into a nationally known pop-tune in the 1930s. Armstrong wrote that his sister told him she thought the secular performance style of the traditional church tune was inappropriate and irreligious. Armstrong was in a New Orleans tradition of turning church numbers into brass band and dance numbers that went back at least to Buddy Bolden's band at the very start of the 20th century

On May 13, 1938, Louis Armstrong and his Orchestra walked into Decca’s New York studios to record a song Armstrong had played as a child. The song was “When the Saints Go Marchin’ In” and that first Armstrong recording of the tune transformed the piece from a traditional gospel hymn to a jazz standard that has become an anthem of sorts in the United States, having been performed by everyone from B.B. King to Bruce Springsteen. Gospel groups have performed it, it’s been heard in films and television commercials, children are taught to sing it in elementary school and just about every New Orleans-related jazz band closes with it


Analysis of the traditional lyrics

The song is apocalyptic, taking much of its imagery from the Book of Revelation, but excluding its more horrific depictions of the Last Judgment. The verses about the Sun and Moon refer to Solar and Lunar eclipses; the trumpet (of the Archangel Gabriel) is the way in which the Last Judgment is announced. As the hymn expresses the wish to go to Heaven, picturing the saints going in (through the Pearly Gates), it is entirely appropriate for funerals.


When the Saints Go Marching In” is an African American spiritual originally played by jazz musicians and brass bands in New Orleans, Louisiana. The tradition of playing this tune at a slow hymn-like tempo while accompanying a coffin to the graveyard and then jazzing it up in a “hot” or “Dixieland” style on the way back home
is still practiced today.

The lyrics express a wish of the deceased to join the Saints marching through the “Pearly Gates” into heaven. Many New Orleans musicians in the early 1900s made a practice of turning church songs into brass band and dance tunes. “The Saints” became well known as jazz music as well as early rock music.





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I thought I posted in here but I did in another thread:


When the Saints Go Marching In (negro spiritual)



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Through some reading, it's apparent most modern scholarship posits that the Katharine Purvis and James Milton Black origin theory is bunk. The negro spiritual "Saints" and their's developed independently and have nothing to do with each other.

]The task of discovering the actual origin of “When the Saints Go Marching In” is a difficult one. The song’s history has sometimes been confused with the origin of “When the Saints ARE Marching In,” written by James M. Black and Katherine Purvis. They are totally different songs.
St. Augustine Record: Local News, Politics & Sports in St. Augustine, FL

Composer credits on jazz recordings of “The Saints” usually classify it as traditional, but the origins of the song are as mysterious as its extreme popularity. Many scholars attribute the tune of the1896 Protestant hymn to James M. Black and the lyrics to Katherine E. Purvis. That song, however, was actually titled “When the Saints ARE Marching In” and many scholars now hold that this was an entirely different piece of music. Of course, it is not a mystery that for jazz lovers the song’s history dates from Louis Armstrong’s recording of the song for Decca on May 13, 1938.
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Through some reading, it's apparent most modern scholarship posits that the Katharine Purvis and James Milton Black origin theory is bunk. The negro spiritual "Saints" and their's developed independently and have nothing to do with each other.


St. Augustine Record: Local News, Politics & Sports in St. Augustine, FL


"When the Saints Go Marching In" | 64 Parishes


facts...you can hear the score here and it's clearly not the same song (just as the hymn site makes very clear)

When the Saints Are Marching In
 
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He's Got the Whole World in His Hands



"He's Got the Whole World in His Hands" is a traditional African-American spiritual, first published in 1927. It became an international pop hit in 1957–58 in a recording by English singer Laurie London, and has been recorded by many other singers and choirs.


Traditional music sources

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The song was first published in the paperbound hymnal Spirituals Triumphant, Old and New in 1927.[1] In 1933, it was collected by Frank Warner from the singing of Sue Thomas in North Carolina.[2] It was also recorded by other collectors such as Robert Sonkin of the Library of Congress, who recorded it in Gee's Bend, Alabama in 1941. That version is still available at the Library's American Folklife Center.[3]

Frank Warner performed the song during the 1940s and 1950s, and introduced it to the American folk scene.[2] Warner recorded it on the Elektra album American Folk Songs and Ballads in 1952.[4][5] It was quickly picked up by both American gospel singers and British skiffle and pop musicians.


Frank and Anne Warner also recorded a landmark version of “He’s Got the Whole World in His Hands” when they visited an African American woman named Sue Thomas in Elizabeth City.

Frank had originally met Sue Thomas at Nags Head on the Outer Banks in the early 1930s or maybe as early as the 1920s.

At that time, he was visiting the old beach resort at Nags Head— in those days, Nags Head was the only resort on the Outer Banks, believe it or not. While he was there, Frank stayed at the Arlington Hotel, a fisherman’s boardinghouse on the south end of the beach.

Sue Thomas resided in Elizabeth City, but in the summers she took the ferry to Nags Head and was the Arlington’s cook. (She had to take the ferry—there were no bridges from the mainland to the Outer Banks yet.)

At the Arlington, Frank and Sue discovered their mutual love of old hymns and folk songs. After she finished in the kitchen at night, she would come out on the porch and they’d sing and play together.

Frank played the guitar, and Sue had a lovely voice, full of sweetness and deep feeling.

One of the songs she taught him was “He’s Got the Whole World in His Hands.”

The song was an African American spiritual, sung in those days with reverence and a commanding sense of all-embracing consolation.

In the song, after all, God makes room in his hands for the “crap-shootin’ man” and the “back-sliding’ sister.” You’d have to figure God might have room for the likes of you and me, too.

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Edward Boatner (1898-1991), composer, baritone and educator.
Much later, most performers added a faster beat and hand clapping, making it seem less like a hymn. That’s usually how the song is sung today.

While possibly quite old, the song wasn’t known widely in the 1930s. When she did her research on the song’s origins, Anne Warner found only one previous version in print.

That was in a book of spirituals and other hymns called “Spirituals Triumphant, Old and New,” that was compiled by Edward Boatner, an important African American composer from New Orleans. He was assisted by Willa A. Townsend, a hymnologist and music director in Nashville, Tenn., where the collection was published in 1927.

Boatner and Townsend solidified the song’s place in the canon of African American spirituals. To a powerful degree, Sue Thomas and the Warners would help take the song beyond the church and to the rest of the world.

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Frank Warner and Sue Thomas, Nags Head, N.C., ca. 1933. From the Frank and Anne Warner Collection, David M. Rubenstein Rare Book & Manuscript Library, Duke University

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another from that movie:




Go To Sleep You Little Baby / Didn't Leave Nobody But The Baby (Negro/Afram Lullaby)

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there are many versions in different areas of the Deep South; I noticed all are from Gulf Coast


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there was even a reference to this song in a slave narrative @xoxodede --->https://www.gutenberg.org/files/35380/35380-h/35380-h.html


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Annie Little

"Dolphus and me marries in Missipp' but come to Texas and lives at Hillsboro on Massa John Willoughby's farm. We has ten chillen and I'm livin' with my baby boy right now. I'll tell you de song I gits all dem chillen to sleep with:

"Mammy went 'way--she tell me to stay,
And take good care of de baby.
She tell me to stay and sing disaway,
O, go to sleepy, li'l baby,

"O, shut you eye and don't you cry,
Go to sleepy, li'l baby.
'Cause mammy's boun' to come bime-by,
O, go to sleepy, li'l baby.

"We'll stop up de cracks and sew up de seams,
De booger man never shall cotch you.
O, go to sleep and dream sweet dreams,
De booger man never shall cotch you.

"De river run wide, de river run deep,
O, bye-o, sweet li'l baby.
Dat boat rock slow, she'll rock you to sleep,
O, bye-o, sweet li'l baby.

Chorus

"O, go to sleepy, sleepy, li'l baby,
'Cause when you wake, you'll git some cake,
And ride a li'l white hossy.
O, de li'l butterfly, he stole some pie,
Go to sleepy, li'l baby.
And flew so high till he put out his eye,
O, go to sleepy, li'l baby."

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