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Amazon is Rolling Out Machines To Automate Boxing Up Customer Orders

The company started adding technology to a handful of warehouses in recent years, which scans goods coming down a conveyor belt and envelopes them seconds later in boxes custom-built for each item, two people who worked on the project told Reuters. Amazon has considered installing two machines at dozens more warehouses, removing at least 24 roles at each one, these people said. These facilities typically employ more than 2,000 people. That would amount to more than 1,300 cuts across 55 U.S. fulfillment centers for standard-sized inventory. Amazon would expect to recover the costs in under two years, at $1 million per machine plus operational expenses, they said. The plan, previously unreported, shows how Amazon is pushing to reduce labor and boost profits as automation of the most common warehouse task -- picking up an item -- is still beyond its reach.
 

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Maybe we can automate the farmers next :ohhh:

It's already been happening for 100 years, and is pretty much the stupidest, most self-destructive trend in recent human history.

There are something like 95% less farmers than there were a century ago. They've been replaced by technology and chemicals. And the more you replace human farmers with technology and chemicals, the...

* less efficiently you farm per acre

* the more you degrade the soil

* the more you pollute the groundwater

* the more solid waste you produce

* the more contaminants you introduce into the food

* the more susceptible your crops and animals are to disease, and thus the more pesticides and antibiotics must be placed to protect them

* the less nutritious the food gets (because limited-spectrum chemical inputs take the place of healthy soil and broad-based organics)

Not to mention that it's helped destroy a lot of rural communities with all sorts of cascading effects. And Black farmers have been affected at a FAR higher rate than any other farmers.

Dairy farms in some places basically look like factories:

Automated feeding

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Automated milking

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Notice the lack of any natural environment? Notice the close confines? You really think those cows are healthy? You not notice how much disease runs rampant in those situations? Can you imagine how much shyt those cows produce and how, since it's all a factory environment, it all has to be funneled out as solid waste instead of fertilizing the very ground they walk on?



But you make a lot more profit per-person. So I guess it's worth it, right?
 

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rethugs will cut them a check anyway.
farmers get paid to not grow shyt.

That and get paid to sell crops to the government to just hoarde. :pachaha:

The large majority of American farmers only get paid a few hundred dollars in subsidies. The vast majority of farm subsidies go to a few farmers at the top. Everyone else is forced to barely scrape by year-to-year with loans (because in farming you spend all your money months before you make any), and their lives are made even harder by the fact that their produce competes with the highly subsidized agribusinesses at the top who screw up the market values.

Also, Democrats and Republicans are both responsible for the agribusiness subsidies. It's not a clear-cut partisan issue. Both sides of the aisle are taking their money.
 

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But you make a lot more profit per-person. So I guess it's worth it, right?
I'm not overly concerned with the overall quality of life for animals bred with the distinct purpose of being slaughtered.

Chemicals and genetic engineering is not automation, but I agree with your points there.
 

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The large majority of American farmers only get paid a few hundred dollars in subsidies. The vast majority of farm subsidies go to a few farmers at the top. Everyone else is forced to barely scrape by year-to-year with loans (because in farming you spend all your money months before you make any), and their lives are made even harder by the fact that their produce competes with the highly subsidized agribusinesses at the top who screw up the market values.

Also, Democrats and Republicans are both responsible for the agribusiness subsidies. It's not a clear-cut partisan issue. Both sides of the aisle are taking their money.
If the farms aren't profitable, like other sectors, it's time to move on. :francis:
 

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I'm not overly concerned with the overall quality of life for animals bred with the distinct purpose of being slaughtered.

Chemicals and genetic engineering is not automation, but I agree with your points there.

Breh, did you pull a Cac Mamba and respond without even reading the post? None of my points were about quality of life for the animals at all.

Everything I listed is about destruction to the environment and degradation of the health quality of the food you eat.

And when you increase chemical inputs in order to save money on human labor, you are having the exact same effect as automation and doing it for the exact same reasons. You're trading quality products and jobs for cheaper bullshyt and corporate profits.




If the farms aren't profitable, like other sectors, it's time to move on. :francis:

That's probably the most self-destructive, dumbest shyt I can possibly imagine someone saying. It's your FOOD. You don't move on from FOOD. :gucci:
 

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Wendell Berry has written on this as well as anyone, in his essay, "Stupidity in Concentration"


The defenders of animal factories typically assume, or wish others to assume, that these facilities concentrate animals only. But that is not so. They also concentrate the excrement of the animals— which, when properly dispersed, is a valuable source of fertility, but, when concentrated, is at best a waste, at worst a poison.

Perhaps even more dangerous is the inevitability that large concentrations of animals will invite concentrations of disease organisms, which in turn require concentrated and continuous use antibiotics. And here the issue enlarges beyond the ecological problem to what some scientists think of as an evolutionary problem: The animal factory becomes a breeding ground for treatment-resistant pathogens, exactly as large field monocultures become breeding grounds for pesticide-resistant pests.

To concentrate food-producing animals in large numbers in one place inevitably separates them from the sources of their feed. Pasture and barnyard animals are removed from their old places in the order of a diversified farm, where they roamed about in some freedom, foraging to a significant extent for their own food, grazing in open pastures, or recycling barnyard and household wastes. Confined in the pens of animal factories, they are made dependent almost exclusively upon grains which are grown in large monocultures, at a now generally recognized ecological cost, and which must be transported to the animals sometimes over long distances. Animal factories are energy-wasting enterprises flourishing in a time when we need to be thinking of energy conservation.

The industrialization of agriculture, by concentration and separation, overthrows the restraints inherent in the diversity and balance of healthy ecosystems and good farms.This results in an unprecedented capacity for overproduction, which drives down farm income, which separates yet more farmers from their farms. For the independent farmers of the traditional small family farm, the animal factories substitute hired laborers, who at work are confined in the same unpleasant and unhealthy situation as the animals. Production at such a cost is temporary. The cost finally is diminishment of the human and ecological capacity to produce.

Animal factories ought to have been the subject of much government concern, if government is in fact concerned about the welfare of the land and the people. But, instead, the confined animal feeding industry has been the beneficiary of government encouragement and government incentives. This is the result of a political brain disease that causes people in power to think that anything that makes more money or "creates jobs" is good.

We have animal factories, in other words, because of a governmental addiction to short-term economics. Short-term economics is the practice of making as much money as you can as fast as you can by any possible means while ignoring the long-term effects. Short-term economics is the economics of self-interest and greed. People who operate on the basis of short-term economics accumulate large "externalized" costs, which they charge to the future— that is, to the world and to everybody's grandchildren.

People who are concerned about what their grandchildren will have to eat, drink, and breathe tend to be interested in long-term economics. Long-term economics involves a great deal besides the question of how to make a lot of money in a hurry. Long-term economists such as John Ikerd of the University of Missouri believe in applying "the Golden Rule across the generations—doing for future generations as we would have them do for us." Professor Ikerd says: "The three cornerstones of sustainability are ecological soundness, economic viability, and social justice." He thinks that animal factories are deficient by all three measures.

These factories raise issues of public health, of soil and water and air pollution, of the quality of human work, of the humane treatment of animals, of the proper ordering and conduct of agriculture, and of the longevity and healthfulness of food production.

If the people in our state and national governments undertook to evaluate economic enterprises by the standards of long-term economics, they would have to employ their minds in actual thinking. For many of them, this would be a shattering experience, something altogether new, but it would also cause them to learn things and do things that would improve the lives of their constituents.

Factory farms increase and concentrate the ecological risks of food production. This is a well-documented matter of fact. The rivers and estuaries of North Carolina, to use only one example, testify to how quickly a "private" animal factory can become an ecological catastrophe and a public liability.

A farm, on the other hand, disperses the ecological risks involved in food production. A good farm not only disperses these risks, but also minimizes them. On a good farm, ecological responsibility is inherent in proper methodologies of land management, and in correct balances between animals and acres, production and carrying capacity. A good farm does not
put at risk the healthfulness of the land, the water, and the air....


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I had to quote this passage because it is fire too, and brings some relevance to the automation of anything. It also addresses several misconceptions already brought up in the thread.



In view of this revolution of language, which is in effect the uprooting of the human mind, it is not surprising to realize that farming too has been made to serve under the yoke of this extremely reductive metaphor. Farming, according to most of the most powerful people now concerned with it, is no longer a way of life, no longer husbandry or even agriculture; it is an industry known as "agribusiness," which looks upon a farm as a "factory," and upon farmers, plants, animals, and the land itself as interchangeable parts or "units of production."

This view of farming has been dominant now for a generation, and so it is not too soon to ask: How well does it work? We must answer that it works as any industrial machine works: very "efficiently" according to the terms of an extremely specialized accounting. That is to say that it apparently makes it possible for about 4 percent of the population to "feed" the rest. So long as we keep the focus narrowed to the "food factory" itself, we have to be impressed: It is elaborately organized; it is technologically sophisticated; it is, by its own definition of the term, marvelously "efficient."

Only when we widen the focus do we see that this "factory" is in fact a failure. Within itself it has the order of a machine, but, like other enterprises of the industrial vision, it is part of a rapidly widening and deepening disorder. It will be sufficient here to list some of the serious problems that have a demonstrable connection with industrial agriculture: (1) soil erosion, (2) soil compaction, (3) soil and water pollution, (4) pests and diseases resulting from monoculture and ecological deterioration, (5) depopulation of rural communities, and (6) decivilization of the cities.

The most obvious falsehood of "agribusiness" accounting has to do with the alleged "efficiency" of "agribusiness" technology. This is, in the first place, an efficiency calculated in the productivity of workers, not of acres.

In the second place the productivity per "man-hour," as given out by "agribusiness" apologists, is dangerously— and, one must assume, intentionally—misleading. For the 4 percent of our population that is left on the farm does not, by any stretch of imagination, feed the rest. That 4 percent is only a small part, and the worst-paid part, of a food production network that includes purchasers, wholesalers, retailers, processors, packagers, transporters, and the manufacturers and salesmen of machines, building materials, feeds, pesticides, herbicides, fertilizers, medicines, and fuel. All these producers are at once in competition with each other and dependent on each other, and all are dependent on the petroleum industry.

As for the farmers themselves, they have long ago lost control of their destiny. They are no longer "independent farmers," subscribing to that ancient and perhaps indispensable ideal, but are agents of their creditors and of the market. They are "units of production" who, or which, must perform "efficiently"— regardless of what they get out of it either as investors or as human beings.

In the larger accounting, then, industrial agriculture is a failure on its way to being a catastrophe. Why is it a failure? There are, I think, two inescapable reasons.

The first is that the industrial vision is perhaps inherently an over-simplifying vision, which proceeds on the assumption that consequence is always singular; industrialists invariably assume that they are solving for X— X being production. In order to solve for X, industrial agriculturists have to reduce any agricultural problem to a problem in mechanics-as, for example, modern confinement-feeding techniques became possible only when animals could be considered as machines.

What this vision excludes, as a matter of course, are biology on the one hand, and human culture on the other. Once vision is enlarged to include these considerations, we see readily that— as wisdom has always counseled us— consequences are invariably multiple, self-multiplying, long-lasting, and unforeseeable in something like geometric proportion to the size or power of the cause. Taking our bearings from traditional wisdom and from the insights of the ecologists— which, so far as I can see, confirm traditional wisdom-we realize that in a country the size of the United States, and economically uniform, the smallest possible agricultural "unit of production" is very large indeed. It consists of all the farmland, plus all the farmers, plus all the farming communities, plus all the knowledge and the technical means of agriculture, plus all the available species of domestic plants and animals, plus the natural systems and cycles that surround farming and support it, plus the knowledge, taste, judgment, kitchen skills, etc. of all the people who buy food. A proper solution to an agricultural problem must preserve and promote the good health of this "unit." Nothing less will do.

The second reason for the failure of industrial agriculture is its wastefulness. In natural or biological systems, waste does not occur. And it is easy to produce examples of nonindustrial human cultures in which waste was or is virtually unknown. All that is sloughed off in the living arc of a natural cycle remains within the cycle; it becomes fertility, the power of life to continue. In nature death and decay are as necessary-are, one may almost say, as lively— as life; and so nothing is wasted.There is really no such thing, then, as natural production; in nature, there is only reproduction.

But waste— so far, at least— has always been intrinsic to industrial production.There have always been unusable "by-products." Because industrial cycles are never complete— because there is no return— there are two characteristic results of industrial enterprise: exhaustion and contamination. The energy industry, for instance, is not a cycle, but only a short arc between an empty hole and poisoned air. And farming, which is inherently cyclic, capable of regenerating and reproducing itself indefinitely, becomes similarly destructive and self-exhausting when transformed into an industry. Agricultural pollution is a serious and growing problem. And industrial agriculture is forced by its very character to treat the soil itself as a "raw material," which it proceeds to "use up." It has been estimated, for instance, that at the present rate of cropland erosion Iowa's soil will be exhausted by the year 2050. I have seen no attempt to calculate the human cost of such farming— by attrition, displacement, social disruption, etc.— I assume because it is incalculable.

This failure of industrial agriculture is not more obvious, or more noticed, because many of its worst social and economic consequences have collected in the cities, and are erroneously called "urban problems." Also, because the farm population is now so small, most people know nothing of farming, and cannot recognize agricultural problems when they see them.

But if industrial agriculture is a failure, then how does it continue to produce such an enormous volume of food? One reason is that most countries where industrial agriculture is practiced have soils that were originally good, possessing great natural reserves of fertility. (Industrial agriculture is much more quickly destructive in places where the fertility reserves of the soil are not great— as in the Amazon basin.) Another reason is that, as natural fertility has declined, we have so far been able to subsidize food production by large applications of chemical fertilizer. These have effectively disguised the loss of natural fertility, but it is important to emphasize that they are a disguise. They delay some of the consequences of failure, but cannot prevent them. Chemical fertilizers are required in vast amounts, they are increasingly expensive, and most of them come from sources that are not renewable. Industrial agriculture is now absolutely dependent on them, and this dependence is one of its fundamental weaknesses.

Another weakness of industrial agriculture is its absolute dependence on an enormous and intricate— hence fragile— economic and industrial organization. Industrial food production can be gravely impaired or stopped by any number of causes, none of which need be agricultural: a trucker's strike, an oil shortage, a credit shortage, a manufacturing "error" such as the PBB catastrophe in Michigan.

A third weakness is the absolute dependence of most of the population on industrial agriculture— and the lack of any "backup system." We have an unprecedentedly large urban population that has no land to grow food on, no knowledge of how to grow it, and less and less knowledge of what to do with it after it is grown. That this population can continue to eat through shortage, strike, embargo, riot, depression, war-or any of the other large-scale afflictions that societies have always been heir to and that industrial societies are uniquely vulnerable to-is not a certainty or even a faith; it is a superstition.



Again, the whole text file is here. The "Stupidity in Concentration" essay starts on page 23.

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Breh, did you pull a Cac Mamba and respond without even reading the post? None of my points were about quality of life for the animals at all.

Everything I listed is about destruction to the environment and degradation of the health quality of the food you eat.

And when you increase chemical inputs in order to save money on human labor, you are having the exact same effect as automation and doing it for the exact same reasons. You're trading quality products and jobs for cheaper bullshyt and corporate profits.






That's probably the most self-destructive, dumbest shyt I can possibly imagine someone saying. It's your FOOD. You don't move on from FOOD. :gucci:

And I was speaking directly on automation vs human labor.

You can have both automation and quality food.

Similarly, you can have no automation and have low quality food.

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Examples of agricultural automation:

Drones
Sensors
Big data tracking
Automated tractors
Automated seed sowing
Automated planters
Automated pickers
Resource tracking
Automated watering and irrigation
Automated supply/inventory management
 

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And I was speaking directly on automation vs human labor.

You can have both automation and quality food.

Similarly, you can have no automation and have low quality food.

:stopitslime:

You technically "can" have quality food with automation for some products, but your odds decrease significantly. (It's quite easy to make crap food without automation, of course, but high-intensity human input is often the bare minimum requirement to produce long-term healthy food for many crops.)

What's your background in farming, food production, soil health, and nutrition science? I wouldn't just make declarations like the one you did unless I had a pretty strong grasp on the issues involved. The tradeoff between human labor and machine/chemical inputs is a dramatic fight in the food industry, and much has been written about the consequences. The book I linked twice is a good introduction to many of the issues, and worth reading.



I linked this article once a few months ago but it's worth repeating.

This 76-year-old organic farmer-scientist from Tamil Nadu has an inspiring story to tell

Note the important parts:

perennial instead of annual
zero waste - everything is converted back into soil
a long time to build superior yields because soil restoration is slow (something most of the studies completely ignore)
far higher and more efficient yields per acre and per plant
higher nutrition density in the product
intercrop planting
highly diversified fields rather than monocrop
control of product line from seed to jar
far less chemical contamination of product
uses far more labor
has to fight against government policies that favor agribusiness

Organic farming is a side issue, but that little story really hits on all the basics very well.
 

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Amazon is Rolling Out Machines To Automate Boxing Up Customer Orders

The company started adding technology to a handful of warehouses in recent years, which scans goods coming down a conveyor belt and envelopes them seconds later in boxes custom-built for each item, two people who worked on the project told Reuters. Amazon has considered installing two machines at dozens more warehouses, removing at least 24 roles at each one, these people said. These facilities typically employ more than 2,000 people. That would amount to more than 1,300 cuts across 55 U.S. fulfillment centers for standard-sized inventory. Amazon would expect to recover the costs in under two years, at $1 million per machine plus operational expenses, they said. The plan, previously unreported, shows how Amazon is pushing to reduce labor and boost profits as automation of the most common warehouse task -- picking up an item -- is still beyond its reach.
Hey, i've said it in years past in HL. It's a wrap for all of us. Do not fool yourselves. the government has been strategically holding back a ton of automation so not to kill us all off when it comes to actually working everyday. But they can't hold it all back forever. Progress is progress. Thats why you need to take Yang seriously when he speaks on that Universal Income.
 
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