Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Yousa huff ass lame.
That you keep changing post quotes of mine. To insult yourself.
Art Barr
All these dual threat QBs got people missing pure pocket passers
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Yousa huff ass lame.
That you keep changing post quotes of mine. To insult yourself.
Art Barr
I ain't shut the fuçk up yet...
You're being intentionally obtuse. Roth had 1000 yards rushing for his entire career, and Brees had 750-ish. Mahomes had 400+ just last season.
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Then I guess Brees with 5 more TDs is too.
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Oh wait, Kirk the statue has just 1 less rushing TD.
Like I said up thread about Mahomes, random chunk plays once every other game =/= being game planned for dominance by arm or leg. It's not my fault y'all can't see a middle ground between pure pocket passer and dual threat.
Any further responses will be stonewalled with this.
Edit: Brett Favre, my nígga
?Yeah, he had 1,786 yards rushing in Green Bay... but he played there for 16 years. That's a 111 yard per year average
2nd Edit: These níggas been arguing for 3 pages
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There's nothing obtuse about my post. I already said to someone else that Ben is not as good of a runner as Mahomes, and the post you're quoting is about Ben vs those other QBs.You're being intentionally obtuse. Roth had 1000 yards rushing for his entire career, and Brees had 750-ish. Mahomes had 400+ just last season.
Edit: Brett Favre, my nígga
Yeah, he had 1,786 yards rushing in Green Bay... but he played there for 16 years. That's a 111 yard per year average
Mahomes also does not officially have a 400-yard season. If you feel this strongly to circle back a day later, why not address my post regarding his contemporaries and the numbers they've logged as rushers?
Just to throw a wrench into the people doing the Patrick Mahomes discussion.....do you think he's more or less of a duel threat than Steve Young.
The tackling in those videos though....you can see why old heads say these modern players wouldn't stand a chance.
The tackling in those videos though....you can see why old heads say these modern players wouldn't stand a chance.
Just to throw a wrench into the people doing the Patrick Mahomes discussion.....do you think he's more or less of a duel threat than Steve Young.
The tackling in those videos though....you can see why old heads say these modern players wouldn't stand a chance.
Young got most of his 4K yards and 43 TD on the ground his 30s...in the 90s. The answer to the question is less. He was ahead of his time.
Do guys who get touchdowns on x and goal really count as dual threat?
I think dual threat is capable of a 20+ yard run each game.
firemanBk
The Manslayer
Just to throw a wrench into the people doing the Patrick Mahomes discussion.....do you think he's more or less of a duel threat than Steve Young.
The tackling in those videos though....you can see why old heads say these modern players wouldn't stand a chance.
Much less of a dual threat
Young had lower rushing totals purely because the game was played entirely differently 30+ years ago
If he came around today he would be running around like Josh Allen or maybe Hurts a better comparison since smaller and shiftier
Still he would be encouraged to do that more in this league he was a special athlete
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
You're being intentionally obtuse. Roth had 1000 yards rushing for his entire career, and Brees had 750-ish. Mahomes had 400+ just last season.
Edit: Brett Favre, my nígga
Yeah, he had 1,786 yards rushing in Green Bay... but he played there for 16 years. That's a 111 yard per year average
2nd Edit: These níggas been arguing for 3 pages
I know you see it.
nikkaz pessimistic as fukk.
Just to say bullshyt.
Art Barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Dual threat qb's are guys known to tske off.
Plus possibly wreck and truck a defensive player from the scouting report.
Or susceptible to get caught running like Singletary stained Danny white.
Dual-threat qb is really a past demonstrative term for a black qb since. Willie Thrower iii to vince Evans.
Cunningham, is the black qb.
where the racial bias was in extreme effect after evans. That warren moon, the most innovative qb in nfl hiatory as a passer. had to play in the usfl originally. All because of race.
till eventually being signed to perennial bad luck loser in Houston with the then named oilers.
Where moon willed a huff afc team. To wins and playoff berth.
that the franchise could never remake without moon. That the franchise was deemed cursed.
Till eventually the oilers no longer exist.
When in reality....rhe oilers organization was so rype racist. They never staffed rhe team properly. To keep moon frok having success. Past moon having to play up to garner wins and a playoff berth.
Yet originally the skillset of Cunningham was unmatched as far as overall skill. When it came to making an understaffed offense work. Despite the racial bias.
As Cunningham could run, drop punt, and also escape and launch 90 yard bombs for td's under complete duress
who despite the racial bias. Wrote the blueprint to the dual threat qb.
As well as taking over the qb postion in minnesota. After moon left houston for Minnie-app.
elongating the rubrick of innovation.
in the passing from the pocket at the qb position. As well as moon being the passer. Who also aided in rhe evolution of the reception receiver as well.
Where back then it was a lull from Cunningham to the air mcnair era before he was injured tochange his mobility. Then....
damn,...somebody killed my homies cousin,...air mcmair.
.Then Vick came.
Which also added to the neg based connotation. Erroneously grafted on to the qb.
Now they have stopped the overtly dishonest race based takes in the black qb. To embrace the socsalled dual threat. As the qb because of race bias. Is now able to operate in the pocket.
All becsuse the stationary white qb...or pocket passer qb was injured in Brady. [An eastern seaboard franchise. When calmer was done dirty. Nobody cared because palmer was in ohio]
So they started to make rules to protect the pocket passer. Which has now allowed the socalled racial bias based dual threat qb. To now be viewed positively. Yet back in the day.
A dual threat qb was news print based term. That meant a nikka at qb.
Where they did not want a black man.
To be the leader of gladiators.
Now the dual threat is valued. From a rule change that protected the racially bias pocket passer label. Where pocket passer in general back then.
refer'd exclusively to a white qb.
Dual threat used to be a derogatory term for describing a nikka at qb running an offense.
Art Barr
These guys are not that much faster than the guys from before. I can name many ridiculous athletes from 20 to 30 and even 40 years ago.
Julius Peppers
Warren Sapp
John Randle
Bruce Smith
Jason Taylor
John Abraham
Simeon Rice
Reggie White
Derrick Thomas
Jevon Kearse
Leonard Little
LaRoi Glover
DeMarcus Ware
Mario Williams
Darrell Russell(RIP)
Bryant Young
Eric Swann
Dwight Freeney
Robert Mathis
Jerome Brown
Charles Mann
Breh, players are WAY faster now than they used to be, especially when you compare players of the same size. It's night and day.
Remember how Lawrence Taylor spent the 1980s looking faster than just about everyone?
''A blue chip, a No. 1 all the way ...'' Tom Boisture, Director of Player Personnel, the Giants. ''As good as any I've seen. He may even have an S emblazoned on his chest ...'' Mike Hickey, Director of Player Personnel, New York Jets. ''The best athlete I've ever coached ...'' Mel Foels, assistant coach, North Carolina. ''A great, great player. We called him Godzilla ...'' Barry Switzer, head coach, Oklahoma. CHAPEL HILL, N.C. THE player is Lawrence Taylor from North Carolina. Taylor, George Rogers of South Carolina and Pittsburgh's Hugh Green are the three most desirable athletes in the forthcoming draft of 336 college athletes by the National Football League's 28 teams. Taylor, who played at end in college but is projected as an outside linebacker, stands 6 feet 3 inches, weighs 245 pounds and runs 40 yards in 4.7 seconds, sometimes 4.6. That is fast, fast for a flanker or a running back, and incredible for a linebacker.
Imagine someone in the 2020s saying that 4.7 is fast for an RB/WR and "incredible" for a linebacker. And that's probably hand times which are notoriously low.
For comparison, Hayes Pullard was 6'0" 240 lbs and ran a 4.66 forty, putting him at damn near the same stats as LT, plus was a four-year starter at USC, leading the team in tackles three years and captain the last two years.......and he was projected to go undrafted in 2015 because he was "too slow", until a brilliant letter on his part and word-of-mouth regarding his maturity got him sneaking into the 7th round.
Justin Fields ain't in any of these tiers huh?There's different tiers of scrambling ability.There's the Mike Vick/Lamar Jackson tier.Below that, maybe the Kyler Murray tier.Then comes the Steve Young/Steve McNair level.I'm just wondering where I'd put Mahomes?.I'd probably have to create a 4th tier especially for guys like him and Donovan McNabb.Even John Elway could move a li bit.Honorable mention to Jake Plummer.My all time favorite college QB.Wasn't ultra athletic, but he had a crazy knack for slithering through defensive lines & evading the pass rush.Was clutch as hell, to.I swore he was the next Joe Montana
MooseMouthMthafuga
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I don't think he's that established yet.Justin Fields ain't in any of these tiers huh?