"All BAD Things Must Come to an End" - Breaking Bad Season 5: Part 2 Official Thread (SPOILERS)

[ECA]

A junkie that was willing to blackmail Walt and got Jesse hooked on heroin. No sympathy for that devil cave bish.

 

[hex]

The great thing about the show is no matter who you talk to, each person will have a different opinion on when he became a villain. Jane was a loose cannon....you can't threaten to snitch on a drug dealer. Best case scenario, Walt didn't stop her from dying. Imagine if she tried to blackmail season 5 Walt.

I turned against Walt in season 5. Blowing up Gus, running over drug dealers, orchestrating prison murders....that's "TV evil". The scenes that fukked me up is him manipulating and casually lying to everyone. That's evil anyone can relate to. Or when he basically told Jesse "we're going to Hell, so why stop being evil now?". Who would want to associate with someone that self-destructive in real life? Don't get me wrong, I don't think he should be "punished" or anything grandiose like that, but at a certain point I was about being able to relate to him. If he catches an L I'll because he doesn't even seem to give a fukk if he catches one.

And he is a villain, not an antihero.

Tony Soprano was an antihero....he beat up Ralph over killing Tracee. Some might even say that's why he killed him, not because of Pie-Oh-My.

Walt seen a 14 year old boy get murked right in front of him and was

Whistling. That's deep seated sociopathy.

The concept of the show is "turn a good man into Scarface" but you have to wonder, was Walt good simply because he couldn't be evil at the time? I think this Friedrich Nietzsche quote sums up the show nicely:

Of all the evil I deem you capable. Therefore I want the good from you. Verily I have often laughed at weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws.

Fred.

 

[hex]

Fred.

 

[Trey0'5Blue2Gz]

The great thing about the show is no matter who you talk to, each person will have a different opinion on when he became a villain. Jane was a loose cannon....you can't threaten to snitch on a drug dealer. Best case scenario, Walt didn't stop her from dying. Imagine if she tried to blackmail season 5 Walt.

I turned against Walt in season 5. Blowing up Gus, running over drug dealers, orchestrating prison murders....that's "TV evil". The scenes that fukked me up is him manipulating and casually lying to everyone. That's evil anyone can relate to. Or when he basically told Jesse "we're going to Hell, so why stop being evil now?". Who would want to associate with someone that self-destructive in real life? Don't get me wrong, I don't think he should be "punished" or anything grandiose like that, but at a certain point I was about being able to relate to him. If he catches an L I'll because he doesn't even seem to give a fukk if he catches one.

And he is a villain, not an antihero.

Tony Soprano was an antihero....he beat up Ralph over killing Tracee. Some might even say that's why he killed him, not because of Pie-Oh-My.

Walt seen a 14 year old boy get murked right in front of him and was

Whistling. That's deep seated sociopathy.

The concept of the show is "turn a good man into Scarface" but you have to wonder, was Walt good simply because he couldn't be evil at the time? I think this Friedrich Nietzsche quote sums up the show nicely:



Fred.

That's why I love this show! The whole moral consequences theme is just for me, that to me is what makes this show the greatest, makes you really think what if this and this happen and it could have played like this and that. But you never know with Walt because he is a true villain he basically admitted they were all going to hell but he wouldn't go lying down. Also makes you question yourself as a person lol because I haven't turned on Walt once, might not have agreed with some of his decisions but I just can't help but agree with him at the same time if that makes any sense. It's just I want Walt to win so bad in all this

 

[phillycavsfan]

@hexagram23 said it all, but I'll sum it up quick: antiheroes don't poison kids. That's a straight up villain move.

 

[hex]

That's why I love this show! The whole moral consequences theme is just for me, that to me is what makes this show the greatest, makes you really think what if this and this happen and it could have played like this and that. But you never know with Walt because he is a true villain he basically admitted they were all going to hell but he wouldn't go lying down. Also makes you question yourself as a person lol because I haven't turned on Walt once, might not have agreed with some of his decisions but I just can't help but agree with him at the same time if that makes any sense. It's just I want Walt to win so bad in all this

Bryan Cranston was getting interviewed and he said the average person might say "I'd never turn into Walt, he's a monster!".

He said "saying that is like you're married on a deserted island, just you and your wife, and you brag about how you never cheated on her. Spent a week in the Playboy Mansion, then you can talk about what a good man you are".

Basically, anybody, under the right circumstances, could turn into a monster. And I agree. This has been a theme in literature since "Macbeth":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macbeth#Themes_and_motifs

A main theme within Macbeth is the destruction that follows when ambition goes beyond moral constraints. Macbeth is a brave general who is not naturally inclined to commit evil, yet he is deeply ambitious and desires power. He murders King Duncan against his better judgement and then wallows in guilt and paranoia. Toward the play's end, he is in a kind of boastful madness. Lady Macbeth pursues her goals with greater determination, yet is less capable of dealing with the guilt from her immorality. One of Shakespeare's most forceful female characters, she spurs her husband mercilessly to kill Duncan and urges him to be strong afterward, yet is herself eventually driven to death by the effect of Macbeth's murders on her conscience. In each case, ambition, spurred by the prophecies of the witches, is what drives the couple to commit their atrocities. An issue that the play raises is that once one decides to use violence to further one's quest for power, it is difficult to stop. Macbeth finds that there are always potential threats to the throne – such as Banquo, Fleance, and Macduff – and he is tempted to use violent means to dispose of them.

Fred.

 

[Francis White]

You don't think the Feds are a threat? Or a new drug kingpin wanting territory? Remember, Walt has no muscle.

He has Todd's people he has Delcan also . His interest are their interest also . He works with them if they want to continue to make money then they have to do support. He learned from Gus .

 

[Trey0'5Blue2Gz]

Bryan Cranston was getting interviewed and he said the average person might say "I'd never turn into Walt, he's a monster!".

He said "saying that is like you're married on a deserted island, just you and your wife, and you brag about how you never cheated on her. Spent a week in the Playboy Mansion, then you can talk about what a good man you are".

Basically, anybody, under the right circumstances, could turn into a monster. And I agree. This has been a theme in literature since "Macbeth":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macbeth#Themes_and_motifs



Fred.

I agree with him, you never know what your truly capable of because you've never been put into that situation, but you have been put into a situation where you feel like you need to do something and you maybe question how you moved forward but justify it because hey it's your life and you choose how you what to live it. Like Walt said every life comes with a death sentence why should you just go lying down?

 

[36 Chambers]

 

[MenacingMonk]

Fred.

Da fukk is this from?

 

[MenacingMonk]

@hexagram23 said it all, but I'll sum it up quick: antiheroes don't poison kids. That's a straight up villain move.

It's not like the kid died.

 

[Ari Gold Bawse]

fukk jane how can people be sad and blame that on walt.

junkie bytch got jesse on heroin and threatened walts life.

 

[Hersh]

there's a documentary and movie with the premise "turn evil with the right variables" but I forget the names.. .

 

[Dynasty]

Working my way through season 5, ready for the feast tonight.

 

[TdashDUB]

Would this be the first TV show thread to ever reach 50 pages before the first episode even airs?????

bill burr just described the last episode as "something like a 3 hour finale"

Nah Billy Burr was talking about the Glee season finale. He's going to be in it and was stuck filming it for a week.