Alexandria Ocasio Cortez - "Not All Dems Are The Same"

[King Kreole]

the poor has stayed in the same place, because to the point I've continued to make. They aren't looking to move and the safety net is working ...working to well. they aren't incentived to move out of the safety net. That's the entire point to all of this.

I just don't see any credence to this idea that poor people are content with their situation and just want to stay fat and happy living off the dole. It's a deeply pessimistic and cruel right-wing canard, deployed to deny people access to the fruits of the national wealth. I believe that if given the tools, the vast majority of those currently consigned to poverty would leap at the opportunity to climb their way out. But this is what I mean when I say we just have fundamentally different ideas about what society is and should be.

you say in your last paragraph, it's not either/or. You can also give everyone a million dollars too that is in poverty but that's not helping the fundamental problem, which is people are incentivized to move out of their state and free college doesn't help that. they will get a degree (which in my eyes will be lowered in value since everyone will have one, like highschool diplomas and then the next thing is masters and phds will be held in higher regard). There's so many dynamics that you either are ignoring or not aware of that this is a poor idea vs. the one thing you keep spouting, which is that it will benefit poor people but even you can't articulate what will happen. The poor doesn't just disappear because they have degrees!!!

The transition has already taken place. The value of a bachelors degree has already been lowered and stabilized relative to, say, 20 or 30 years ago. The quality of jobs that used to require a high school diploma now require a bachelors degree. That's the nature of the transition to a knowledge economy. The issue is that the state has refused to acknowledge this shift by making the bachelors education (aka the new high school degree) free like a high school education was/is. That's why the student debt bubble is at $1.5 trillion and is one of the biggest threats to the national economy. Imagine how absolutely fukked society and the economy would be if in order to complete high school you had to take on $100K of debt. Society needs to adapt to the modern economy.

America doesn't dislike poor people...poor people hate Americans that are getting up and getting it every day and thats why they crowd around people like tea partiers, trump, and now AOC.

Again, a deeply pessimistic and punitive attitude towards the poor and marginalized. Whereas you see the lazy and undeserving, I see the desperate and cheated. Difference of ideology.

 

[Gus Money]

You dont have the slightest idea of what being poor is or about.

This fukking guy. I’ve spent my entire career working directly with poor people so don’t speak on something that you know nothing about. You’re in here pulling out random charts while I’ve spent years serving actual vulnerable/poor people in the real world. If anyone understands, it’s me.

Stronger social safety nets are proven to help lift people out of poverty and keep them from falling back into it. This isn’t up for debate. Yet you’re in here parroting rightwing talking points about poor people not being incentivized to get out of poverty when a quick google search explains how wrong that is. The fact that you think poor people are choosing to remain poor is fukking outrageous but it’s par for the course for people who don’t actually understand poverty. Millions of people work full time and cannot escape poverty which kills your point off the bat.

Work alone is often not enough to lift people out of poverty

The Near Impossibility of Moving Up After Welfare

Social Security, food stamps, and other programs kept 44 million people out of poverty last year

I don’t have the patience to go back and forth with someone who jumps to conclusions so feel free not to quote me.

 

[Perfectson]

This fukking guy. I’ve spent my entire career working directly with poor people so don’t speak on something that you know nothing about. You’re in here pulling out random charts while I’ve spent years serving actual vulnerable/poor people in the real world. If anyone understands, it’s me.

Stronger social safety nets are proven to help lift people out of poverty and keep them from falling back into it. This isn’t up for debate. Yet you’re in here parroting rightwing talking points about poor people not being incentivized to get out of poverty when a quick google search explains how wrong that is. The fact that you think poor people are choosing to remain poor is fukking outrageous but it’s par for the course for people who don’t actually understand poverty. Millions of people work full time and cannot escape poverty which kills your point off the bat.

Work alone is often not enough to lift people out of poverty

The Near Impossibility of Moving Up After Welfare

Social Security, food stamps, and other programs kept 44 million people out of poverty last year

I don’t have the patience to go back and forth with someone who jumps to conclusions so feel free not to quote me.

Oh you worked with poor people, you have a black girlfriend too?

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Perfectson]

I just don't see any credence to this idea that poor people are content with their situation and just want to stay fat and happy living off the dole. It's a deeply pessimistic and cruel right-wing canard, deployed to deny people access to the fruits of the national wealth. I believe that if given the tools, the vast majority of those currently consigned to poverty would leap at the opportunity to climb their way out. But this is what I mean when I say we just have fundamentally different ideas about what society is and should be.


The transition has already taken place. The value of a bachelors degree has already been lowered and stabilized relative to, say, 20 or 30 years ago. The quality of jobs that used to require a high school diploma now require a bachelors degree. That's the nature of the transition to a knowledge economy. The issue is that the state has refused to acknowledge this shift by making the bachelors education (aka the new high school degree) free like a high school education was/is. That's why the student debt bubble is at $1.5 trillion and is one of the biggest threats to the national economy. Imagine how absolutely fukked society and the economy would be if in order to complete high school you had to take on $100K of debt. Society needs to adapt to the modern economy.


Again, a deeply pessimistic and punitive attitude towards the poor and marginalized. Whereas you see the lazy and undeserving, I see the desperate and cheated. Difference of ideology.

You literally said the same thing about America's attitude against poor people, all I did was flip what you said , and of course as a bleeding heart double standard liberal youre becoming sensitive about it .

You have a prejudicial attitude towards the discussing and being self governing which is the very pillars of communism . Just say you're a communist and be free in your ideaoloy. Your system doesn't work, it never has, and it never will.

Free education past 12 is a cop out, there's no benefit except to excuse poor behavior and to give people free stuff. At least the new deal provided the basic fundamental living rights of people , you now want premium stuff for free ....thats what's ridiculous about it.

You can't articulate economically how this makes sense and how it benefits the country in anyway. More graduates don't equal more jobs lol , you will have the same issue France and Spain has Your thoughts process will destroy the economic stability of the country. You have no understand of economics nor does AOC who is a probably lib arts major.

You're wrong about the BS, it's just the pool has increased and BS is not the same standard as a HS diploma even 30 years ago. Cmon man, now you're going off the deep end. But wait til you have high degree majors not able to get jobs (which is already happening). In their majors and are forced to work at burger King . How is that any ROI for tax payers. I'm going to fund kids to get engineering degree so they work that fryer at McDonalda, so they get upset and create pipe bombs from their engineering degree lol

 

[Perfectson]

This fukking guy. I’ve spent my entire career working directly with poor people so don’t speak on something that you know nothing about. You’re in here pulling out random charts while I’ve spent years serving actual vulnerable/poor people in the real world. If anyone understands, it’s me.

Stronger social safety nets are proven to help lift people out of poverty and keep them from falling back into it. This isn’t up for debate. Yet you’re in here parroting rightwing talking points about poor people not being incentivized to get out of poverty when a quick google search explains how wrong that is. The fact that you think poor people are choosing to remain poor is fukking outrageous but it’s par for the course for people who don’t actually understand poverty. Millions of people work full time and cannot escape poverty which kills your point off the bat.

Work alone is often not enough to lift people out of poverty

The Near Impossibility of Moving Up After Welfare

Social Security, food stamps, and other programs kept 44 million people out of poverty last year

I don’t have the patience to go back and forth with someone who jumps to conclusions so feel free not to quote me.

Just read your 2nd half, how is it proven? Until the US does itorr any major economy it isn't or proven. Your links are bullshyt that's why you don't want to have a discussion . There's nothing right wing with what I'm saying, it's common fukking sense . You're parroting the same shyt Russia, Germany, Spain, France, China and other failed communist and socialist economies tried to tell us. Same as Venezuela too. Your way is marked with failure and causes more wage and economic disparity. You are actually for the rich not the poor. Rather you want to destroy the middle class and make us all poor!!!

I never said work gets you out of poverty. Some people are going to be near the poverty line. Are you stupid ? Its inevitable, you can't make everyone rich even with free education. If so .please give me in your head what you think will happen . Let's say we give everyone free shyt, what will happen? Will people become rich and everyone in America will be rich ? Or do you want everyone to live the same, we all work and have houses provided by the government, food the government , government mandated everything. I just want to know what your plan would be because it can't be just free college and that's it?
Youve been elected king of America, tell us what your plan is and what you think the waterfall impact of your decisions will be. This should be good.

 

[Perfectson]

What's funny is that you guys dont see yourselves as crazy extremists much like the tea parties were 10 years ago. You guys are in the same destructive mold , it's bananas to hear this people carry on about communism as if it hasn't been proven to not work over and over again. I'm shocked and intrigued which is why I'm even going back and forth with you.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

My god y’all have going back and forth with this guy for days you ain’t gonna change his mind with his Fox News rhetoric!

 

[Gus Money]

Oh you worked with poor people, you have a black girlfriend too?

Just read your 2nd half, how is it proven? Until the US does itorr any major economy it isn't or proven. Your links are bullshyt that's why you don't want to have a discussion . There's nothing right wing with what I'm saying, it's common fukking sense . You're parroting the same shyt Russia, Germany, Spain, France, China and other failed communist and socialist economies tried to tell us. Same as Venezuela too. Your way is marked with failure and causes more wage and economic disparity. You are actually for the rich not the poor. Rather you want to destroy the middle class and make us all poor!!!

I never said work gets you out of poverty. Some people are going to be near the poverty line. Are you stupid ? Its inevitable, you can't make everyone rich even with free education. If so .please give me in your head what you think will happen . Let's say we give everyone free shyt, what will happen? Will people become rich and everyone in America will be rich ? Or do you want everyone to live the same, we all work and have houses provided by the government, food the government , government mandated everything. I just want to know what your plan would be because it can't be just free college and that's it?
Youve been elected king of America, tell us what your plan is and what you think the waterfall impact of your decisions will be. This should be good.

You’re embarrassing yourself. This has already been addressed by people more articulate than me, and like I said, I don’t have the patience.

“You are actually for the rich not the poor.” Yes, this makes sense. You got me.



Feel free to have the last word.

 

[Perfectson]

You’re embarrassing yourself. This has already been addressed by people more articulate than me, and like I said, I don’t have the patience.

“You are actually for the rich not the poor.” Yes, this makes sense. You got me.



Feel free to have the last word.

Funny you don't have the patience when I asked you for answers to what should be a very simple scenario.

But you had patience to jump in the debate and parrot crap that has little to no substance. No one can articulate the long term implications because it's either communism or they don't know. Just like you don't know but again, people just want "free" shyt funded by people richer than them.

 

[IrateMastermind]

Can we come together as coli citizens and agree to ignore the one person/bot who posts nonsense so the threads don’t turn into 200 posts of bullshyt

I beg you guys to hit ignore. I hit ignore awhile ago but I can tell by the convo who is derailing the thread.

I can’t escape even when I try.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

doesn't make any sense.

She attacked AOC on something AOC did, so you attack her by attacking her dead father? SMH

Meghan attacked Tulsi on something that she said about the President. Your response doesn't make sense.

I'm done with this one, will focus on the poverty and wealth disparity arguements going forward. Yall are going off the rails coo koo right now.

You're shifting the argument erratically. Therefore, you're the only who has gone off the rails.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Funny you don't have the patience when I asked you for answers to what should be a very simple scenario.

But you had patience to jump in the debate and parrot crap that has little to no substance. No one can articulate the long term implications because it's either communism or they don't know. Just like you don't know but again, people just want "free" shyt funded by people richer than them.

The long term implications is a more accomplished and smarter electorate who are better trained for the jobs of today and are less burdened by debt. You're welcome. lol

 

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BREAKING: Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is endorsing Rep. Nancy Pelosi for Speaker, saying that Pelosi "can count on my support."


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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: Nancy Pelosi has my support
"All the challenges to Leader Pelosi are coming from her right, in an apparent effort to make the party even more conservative and bent toward corporate interests," Ocasio-Cortez wrote on Twitter.

 

[Perfectson]

The long term implications is a more accomplished and smarter electorate who are better trained for the jobs of today and are less burdened by debt. You're welcome. lol

What jobs?! Lol. Just because you have people graduating with degrees it doesn't mean jobs will magically appear. There is an economic equilibrium you're not anticipating. You can have an educated electorate by improving high school education. How does a computer science degree improve your electoral understanding? You're skipping steps.

Most educated people black and white do not agree with you.

Happy Thanksgiving by the way.