Alabama basketball player charged with murder- Update Projected lottery pick provided gun

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It’s his gun. Give it to him. If he didn’t tell you he was about to use it to commit a crime then it’s on him.


He said he needed it cause he was upset at someone. I guess Miller expected him to employ one of those non-criminal ways of using a gun to express your anger at 1:40am.
 

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Based on the NEW information, Miller didn’t know about the gun

Where is the information that Miller didn't know about the gun? That's just something people in this thread are repeating over and over, it's not backed up by the actual facts of the case.

Miller got a text from Miles telling him they needed the gun. The text didn't say anything about where the gun was. Why the hell would Miles tell Miller he needed the gun, but not tell him he had the gun, unless Miller already knew that? On top of that, neither Miller nor his attorney nor anyone else at the scene have claimed that Miller didn't know about the gun.

So that's three strands of evidence:

1) He got the text to bring the gun
2) The wording of the text shows he already knows about the gun
3) None of them have denied that Miller knew he had the gun



Unless someone is going to produce this mystery evidence showing that Miller didn't know about the gun, then it continues to look like something made up. I've pressed this point 10-15 times already and every time I point it out, all I get in response is crickets.
 

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He said he needed it cause he was upset at someone. I guess Miller expected him to employ one of those non-criminal ways of using a gun to express your anger at 1:40am.
He could have felt his life was in danger. :manny:

Either way, you shouldn’t be carrying a handgun around that isn’t yours. Returning it is the right thing.
 

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I keep saying its on video him leaving the car also his cellphone can show if he was already headed there before the text was sent.All your wishful thinking is about somehow making a 18yr old who didn't fire a gun a murderer.
Accessory to murder get the designations right. Plus I am not even sure he should be arrested, but if my friend had his gun in my locker and told me to bring it to him because he was pissed in NY I would have a much harder time avoiding any culpability. This is a Alabama thing, Miller should be under a lot more scrutiny for his part in this shooting.

Well if my friend left his gun in my car, Im going to try to give it back to him asap cuz I don't want to be responsible for it and in a state like that, he may need it since the majority of ppl got one.

The person that illegally purchased a gun for Rittenhouse got hit with a fine and that was it. Brandon Miller did nothing illegal. Nothing
Like I said that Gun culture got ya’ll mixed up. Rittenhouse not being in jail is the utmost bullshyt and you using that like it lessens this as problem is a hollow defense. The person who sold him that gun should be in jail too.
Living in America normalizes violence... fukk you mean :heh:

One thing that strikes me always, is when I travel outside the US and a mass shooting happens while I'm abroad. And the people I'm with are just looking at the TV in horror and disbelief, like, "this happens all the time? And you guys are ok with this? And y'all just buy guns and have guns lying around???"

In a society like the US, expecting people to have uber-strict morals/ethics around the use of guns, like "don't give a gun to an angry friend"... nikka why do you have a gun in the first place? Expecting everyone to abide by your strict gun code of ethics in this country is insane to me.
That is a bullshyt argument. People choose what they care about. I went to Brazil and saw a cop strike a man with a baton twice for getting to close to him and no one blinked. Only us Americans were shocked. Meanwhile a US cop is in the news for pushing a guy because he refuse to get 15 feet away from a group of cops pulling up on a crime scene. All these situations that get brushed aside because “we’ll look what happened last time” add to the problem and normalizes the violence. We as a society choose what to normalize and this is part of that same problem.
 

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Accessory to murder get the designations right. Plus I am not even sure he should be arrested, but if my friend had his gun in my locker and told me to bring it to him because he was pissed in NY I would have a much harder time avoiding any culpability. This is a Alabama thing, Miller should be under a lot more scrutiny for his part in this shooting.


Like I said that Gun culture got ya’ll mixed up. Rittenhouse not being in jail is the utmost bullshyt and you using that like it lessens this as problem is a hollow defense. The person who sold him that gun should be in jail too.

That is a bullshyt argument. People choose what they care about. I went to Brazil and saw a cop strike a man with a baton twice for getting to close to him and no one blinked. Only us Americans were shocked. Meanwhile a US cop is in the news for pushing a guy because he refuse to get 15 feet away from a group of cops pulling up on a crime scene. All these situations that get brushed aside because “we’ll look what happened last time” add to the problem and normalizes the violence. We as a society choose what to normalize and this is part of that same problem.
In New York the gun illegal in Alabama its a legal firearm.
 

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You're upset that it's normalized and yet arguing we should react in a way that ensures it becomes even more normalized. This is insanity at work.

Do the people in your life give loaded guns to angry friends at 1:40 in the morning? Is this REALLY something that 95% of Americans would do, or are you somehow acting like just anyone would do this fukked up shyt solely because it happens more here than anywhere else?

I'm saying you're pursuing the wrong channel for corrective action. Stop holding up the University of Alabama Athletic Department as some entity that operates at a higher standard of morality. They aren't (no matter what their statements may say). If gun possession was a crime this wouldn't be an issue. If anything, be angry at the laws (or lack thereof) you think allows Miller to go Scot free. Demand action there, instead of being aghast the school isn't willing to jeopardize their season by suspending a key player who hasn't been charged with a crime, just so the family feels better. What?
 

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From all accounts Brandon Miller is a good kid from a good family that was put in a horrible situation by his knucklehead teammate.

I don't think it's morally wrong to let him play, being that he's not even a suspect.

I feel bad for the mother that was killed and her family.

Hopefully Darius Miles and his friend are buried under the jail.

I do have smoke for the Coli Militants that have become the Coli Cac Lynch Mob:

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Accessory to murder get the designations right. Plus I am not even sure he should be arrested, but if my friend had his gun in my locker and told me to bring it to him because he was pissed in NY I would have a much harder time avoiding any culpability. This is a Alabama thing, Miller should be under a lot more scrutiny for his part in this shooting.


Like I said that Gun culture got ya’ll mixed up. Rittenhouse not being in jail is the utmost bullshyt and you using that like it lessens this as problem is a hollow defense. The person who sold him that gun should be in jail too.

That is a bullshyt argument. People choose what they care about. I went to Brazil and saw a cop strike a man with a baton twice for getting to close to him and no one blinked. Only us Americans were shocked. Meanwhile a US cop is in the news for pushing a guy because he refuse to get 15 feet away from a group of cops pulling up on a crime scene. All these situations that get brushed aside because “we’ll look what happened last time” add to the problem and normalizes the violence. We as a society choose what to normalize and this is part of that same problem.
This is America. If u criticize B Mill, u gone have to criticize the system that sold him the gun and the politicians that are making it easier for anyone to go and get one.

Now if a text message says bring the gun so I can shoot someone exists, then show me that.
 

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Where is the information that Miller didn't know about the gun? That's just something people in this thread are repeating over and over, it's not backed up by the actual facts of the case.

Miller got a text from Miles telling him they needed the gun. The text didn't say anything about where the gun was. Why the hell would Miles tell Miller he needed the gun, but not tell him he had the gun, unless Miller already knew that? On top of that, neither Miller nor his attorney nor anyone else at the scene have claimed that Miller didn't know about the gun.

So that's three strands of evidence:

1) He got the text to bring the gun
2) The wording of the text shows he already knows about the gun
3) None of them have denied that Miller knew he had the gun



Unless someone is going to produce this mystery evidence showing that Miller didn't know about the gun, then it continues to look like something made up. I've pressed this point 10-15 times already and every time I point it out, all I get in response is crickets.
It was on espn they listed the timeline of texts.

Miles texted Miller , I’m paraphrasing, ‘how long you gon be’ at iirc 1:03—with no mention of a gun (iirc)

(To my point anout bad reporting, why wasn’t this mentioned?! I hadn’t seen it mentioned until that ESPN graphic)

It wasn’t til 1:40 Miles texts Miler "I need my joint a n****r rl jus got fakin".

According to video, Miller pulls up at 1:43. Shots fired at 1:45

So that timeline implies Miller was well on his way—-with no knowledge of a gun—- before getting that ‘I need my joint’ text
 

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He said he needed it cause he was upset at someone. I guess Miller expected him to employ one of those non-criminal ways of using a gun to express your anger at 1:40am.
Would Brandon Miller be wrong to bring a person their legally obtained gun to defend themselves with?
 
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That is a bullshyt argument. People choose what they care about. I went to Brazil and saw a cop strike a man with a baton twice for getting to close to him and no one blinked. Only us Americans were shocked. Meanwhile a US cop is in the news for pushing a guy because he refuse to get 15 feet away from a group of cops pulling up on a crime scene. All these situations that get brushed aside because “we’ll look what happened last time” add to the problem and normalizes the violence. We as a society choose what to normalize and this is part of that same problem.

Good point.

It's clear Americans don't give a fukk (and choose not to give a fukk) about gun violence, not enough to change laws and customs to reduce deaths.

So in that environment, asking UA to ban/suspend one of their students loosely tied (but not criminally connected) to a gun murder? They're well within their rights to tell you to fukk off.
 

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And this has generally been my opinion on the matter. I wouldn't be upset if the school decided to suspend him and I'm not upset that the school decided not to suspend him. The people that are responsible for the death of that young women are behind bars. From the information that has been presented to me, I don't place blame on him.
 
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