Alabama basketball player charged with murder- Update Projected lottery pick provided gun

[Tony D'Amato]

I understand why Miller didn’t get charged but there is no damn reason he should be playing

But It’s obvious what’s going on…Bama basketball ain’t been this talented and relevant ever…Them good ole boy crackas puttin that pressure on Oats straight up…They could give 2fukks about the optics of letting Miller play and the fact that a young black women is senselessly gone and a whole family is suffering smh…Look at the press conference when Oats was questioned about it he was lookin down the whole time and skippin his words….That fool is ashamed…

It’s gonna be interesting where this shxt goes next cause it’s not gonna get sweeped under the rug anytime soon…The 40 pt game just put more publicity on it..

Why shouldn't he be playing?

 

[CrimsonTider]

Morally, he really shouldn't be playing.

how was he morally wrong?

 

[Rocket Scientist]

If he doesnt bring the gun ,who knows if she is alive. Yes he didnt shoot her or did anything criminally wrong but man its a bad look. Heat is on now but memories are short in this society.

 

[CrimsonTider]

If he doesnt bring the gun ,who knows if she is alive. Yes he didnt shoot her or did anything criminally wrong but man its a bad look. Heat is on now but memories are short in this society.

he Didnt know he was bringing the gun

yall blaming Miller instead of the actual killer is crazy

 

[Professor Emeritus]

he Didnt know he was bringing the gun

Stop lying for him you piece of shyt.


YOU ARE MAKING THIS UP. Literally no one involved says Miller didn't know about the gun, and the text from Miles proves that Miles knows Miller knows about the gun. How the fukk do you text someone and say, "Bring me my gun" if they don't know where the gun is?

Even his lawyer hasn't tried that lie yet. The fact that y'all keep lying for him shows you know exactly how bad the truth looks.

 

[Conan]

If he doesnt bring the gun ,who knows if she is alive. Yes he didnt shoot her or did anything criminally wrong but man its a bad look. Heat is on now but memories are short in this society.

If guns weren't so prevalent in US society she'd be alive. Nowhere else in the developed world do senseless killings like this happen.

The more I read on this case, the more I'm convinced that pushes for Miller's suspension or worse, are nothing more than virtue signaling to castigate someone for gun possession and transfer, in a society/state where guns are literally valued more than human lives. The contradiction there is so jarring.

What's more asinine is that I'm seeing more heat aimed at Miller than the actual accomplice. Or the shooter. People who aim to take lives will find a way. I do not buy the idea that someone who is eager to cause bodily harm with a gun, would be easily deterred by a friend saying, "no you can't have this gun". Guns are easy to find/get in Alabama.

Miller didn't make the wisest decision on the night, but I'm simply not interested in artificially boosting student athletes to this higher standard of conduct so many are eager to do. They're human beings who can play basketball well. They aren't role models. I don't consider them as such. I don't think it's in anyone's interest to suspend him. The shooter and actual accomplice are in jail and will face their day in court. The grieving family will never see their daughter again. If they truly believe Miller is culpable they have the option of pursuing remediation in civil court.

And as much as @CrimsonTider is a faggit and it grieves me to remotely side with him, there is no benefit in Alabama suspending him or benching him to please the very fickle and short attention span court of public opinion. They won't lose fans (as we can see in this thread)... They want to win. And they want to maintain the confidence of their star. They have every incentive to ignore the outside noise and focus on basketball, because they correctly know this bullshyt will fade away. No moral victories saving Oats if a suspension of his star players means lost games.

 

[Left.A1]

If guns weren't so prevalent in US society she'd be alive. Nowhere else in the developed world do senseless killings like this happen.

The more I read on this case, the more I'm convinced that pushes for Miller's suspension or worse, are nothing more than virtue signaling to castigate someone for gun possession and transfer, in a society/state where guns are literally valued more than human lives. The contradiction there is so jarring.

What's more asinine is that I'm seeing more heat aimed at Miller than the actual accomplice. Or the shooter. People who aim to take lives will find a way. I do not buy the idea that someone who is eager to cause bodily harm with a gun, would be easily deterred by a friend saying, "no you can't have this gun". Guns are easy to find/get in Alabama.

Miller didn't make the wisest decision on the night, but I'm simply not interested in artificially boosting student athletes to this higher standard of conduct so many are eager to do. They're human beings who can play basketball well. They aren't role models. I don't consider them as such. I don't think it's in anyone's interest to suspend him. The shooter and actual accomplice are in jail and will face their day in court. The grieving family will never see their daughter again. If they truly believe Miller is culpable they have the option of pursuing remediation in civil court.

And as much as @CrimsonTider is a faggit and it grieves me to remotely side with him, there is no benefit in Alabama suspending him or benching him to please the very fickle and short attention span court of public opinion. They won't lose fans (as we can see in this thread)... They want to win. And they want to maintain the confidence of their star. They have every incentive to ignore the outside noise and focus on basketball, because they correctly know this bullshyt will fade away. No moral victories saving Oats if a suspension of his star players means lost games.

The accomplice that’s actually being held accountable currently locked in a jail cell and charged with murder? Lmao at calling some social media post “heat” compared to that …what a moronic premise and idiotic post

 

[Professor Emeritus]

What's more asinine is that I'm seeing more heat aimed at Miller than the actual accomplice. Or the shooter.

The shooter and his accomplice are in jail for murder. Don't be obtuse.

People who aim to take lives will find a way. I do not buy the idea that someone who is eager to cause bodily harm with a gun, would be easily deterred by a friend saying, "no you can't have this gun". Guns are easy to find/get in Alabama.

At 1:40am? Come on now. How the hell is a normal person going to find a gun at that time of night? Even if he knew a way, it would take time and by then it's likely that his target would be gone or he would have cooled down.

There's only one person who could have gotten him a gun at that moment and it was the man who was carrying his gun for him.

The grieving family will never see their daughter again. If they truly believe Miller is culpable they have the option of pursuing remediation in civil court.

That will do nothing to repair the damage Miller did nor will it somehow compensate for the damage Alabama does by going up before national audiences and downplaying his involvement in their daughter's death solely because of how good he is.

If he was a scrub he'd be sitting right now and you know it.

there is no benefit in Alabama suspending him or benching him to please the very fickle and short attention span court of public opinion. They won't lose fans (as we can see in this thread)... They want to win. And they want to maintain the confidence of their star. They have every incentive to ignore the outside noise and focus on basketball, because they correctly know this bullshyt will fade away. No moral victories saving Oats if a suspension of his star players means lost games.

So long as you believe that wins override all else, what's the point of even having a discussion?

I'd like people to think twice before they bring loaded guns to angry friends. I'd like there's to be SOME consequence for playing a part in a life being taken. You're straight up saying that winning basketball games and pandering to the killers' friend is a bigger priority.

 

[Dwight Howard]

Yall gott let this shyt go, it's not illegal to bring someone their property regardless of the person's intent thus the reason he isn't charged, he wasn't an accomplice and wasn't a co-conspirator. The end.

 

[Dwight Howard]

lol at "I need protection, but rather than just leaving the situation at 1:40am or going back to campus, I need you to drive over to bring me a loaded gun right here where the danger is."

That's some of the stupidest shyt I've heard. Instead of bringing his ass a gun, why not just tell him to LEAVE? Guns are offensive weapons, they don't block gunshots, how the fukk is a gun going to help him if he thinks someone about to do something? Why not just LEAVE the place where you think it will go down first? Go home and you can play with your gun from the safety of your home if you chickenshyt like that.

Because he was his fukkin ride, it's obvious miller was on freshman uber duty that night picking up several drunk teammates. Miles had been texting Miler to pick him up an hour before the incident went down and by all indications miller was already in route as the miles situation began to transpire, which is why he isn't charged with shyt.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yall gott let this shyt go, it's not illegal to bring someone their property regardless of the person's intent

Why are y'all still making shyt up?

Yes bringing someone a murder weapon if you know their intent is illegal, it's called "Accessory to Murder." Whether or not it's their property is irrelevant.

Accessory to murder is when a person aids another in the killing of a human being but is not present at the commission of the murder...

An accessory before the fact is a person who helps another person before that party commits a felony. An example includes someone helping a person pick out a knife knowing that the person is going to use it to commit a crime of domestic violence.

A person charged with accessory to murder has the right to raise a legal defense. An effective defense is one that casts reasonable doubt on the charges filed.

Three common defenses to accessory to murder charges include the defendant showing that:

• he/she did not know that the principal was going to commit a crime,
• the principal did not commit murder, and/or
• the accused acted under duress.

“Duress” is a legal defense in which an accused basically says: “He made me do it.” The defense applies to the limited situation in which a person commits a crime, because somebody threatened to kill him if the crime was not committed.

Whose property it was is completely irrelevant if you know what he's going to do with it. So you saying "regardless of intent" is complete bullshyt. The only reason he's not being charged is because he's a star and it's difficult for the prosecution to prove that Miller knew their intent to commit a crime "beyond a reasonable doubt".

 

[Conan]

The shooter and his accomplice are in jail for murder. Don't be obtuse.






At 1:40am? Come on now. How the hell is a normal person going to find a gun at that time of night? Even if he knew a way, it would take time and by then it's likely that his target would be gone or he would have cooled down.

There's only one person who could have gotten him a gun at that moment and it was the man who was carrying his gun for him.





That will do nothing to repair the damage Miller did nor will it somehow compensate for the damage Alabama does by going up before national audiences and downplaying his involvement in their daughter's death solely because of how good he is.

If he was a scrub he'd be sitting right now and you know it.





So long as you believe that wins override all else, what's the point of even having a discussion?

I'd like people to think twice before they bring loaded guns to angry friends. I'd like there's to be SOME consequence for playing a part in a life being taken. You're straight up saying that winning basketball games and pandering to the killers' friend is a bigger priority.

They aren't getting this amount of backlash from the public for you know, actually killing the poor lady.

This wasn't a heat in the moment murder where the gun was nearby and he picked it up in a red mist and started shooting. He premeditated this shyt. Why do you think this tragedy couldn't have happened some other way, some other time? Miller couldn't hold the gun indefinitely, he would have gotten the gun down the line. What makes you think he in that moment would have cooled down enough to say "yeah I'm good now that I've slept on it"? You seem to think without Miller's involvement, she'd be alive today. I think it's more rational to think that given the amount of guns in society, and premeditation on the shooter's part, it was just a matter of when and where for the poor woman. And because of that, Miller's involvement is incidental to the murder.

Nothing Alabama does will repair the damage the shooter did. She is gone and she isn't coming back. Suspending Miller sends a message that... Guns aren't cool? I agree if he was a scrub Bama wouldn't think twice but he isn't. He's a crucial player to their title hopes. If they feel that is more important than public opinion they will make the business decision. The NCAA won't punish them. Neither will their fans. Neither will society. So why would anyone expect them to make "the moral decision"?

There is no consequence. Not in this kind of society. You want it to be one way but it's the other way. And if you're looking to the University of Alabama to impose consequences where the State has declined to, contrary to their best interests, you're always going to be disappointed. I'm saying it's a bigger priority to them, yes.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

They aren't getting this amount of backlash from the public for you know, actually killing the poor lady.

It's weird as fukk to bytch about virtue signaling but then be upset that someone isn't doing enough virtue signaling. They're arrested and in jail, Miles has been kicked off the team and dismissed from the university, what other "backlash" are they supposed to get? You want us to post about them more just to prove....what exactly?

This wasn't a heat in the moment murder where the gun was nearby and he picked it up in a red mist and started shooting. He premeditated this shyt. Why do you think this tragedy couldn't have happened some other way, some other time? Miller couldn't hold the gun eventually, he would have gotten the gun down the line. What makes you think he in that moment would have cooled down enough to say "yeah I'm good now that I've slept on it"?

Of course it was a heat of the moment murder, get real. You can't prove it wouldn't have happened another time, but anyone who knows jack shyt about criminal violence knows that the longer you delay, the less chance there is the murder will happen. This wasn't some fukking gang opps or some shyt, it was literally a random person he just ran into.

You seem to think without Miller's involvement, she'd be alive today.

Without Miller's involvement, there's a better chance she'd be alive today. No serious person can argue otherwise.

Nothing Alabama does will repair the damage the shooter did.

Nope, but they can certainly make it worse and keep pouring salt on the wound. The family says they've done that. Are you calling them liars?

She is gone and she isn't coming back. Suspending Miller sends a message that... Guns aren't cool?

Sends a message that you shouldn't bring a gun to a heated and angry person. Sends a message that people are responsible for their actions.

I agree if he was a scrub Bama wouldn't think twice but he isn't. He's a crucial player to their title hopes.

At least you're admitting it. I wonder how many other people in this thread know this but don't want to admit it.

Alabama is literally telling the family, "fukk your feelings, we'd suspend him if it didn't affect our W/L record but throwing a ball threw a hoop is more important to us than holding him accountable for the part he played in your loss."

 

[Conan]

It's weird as fukk to bytch about virtue signaling but then be upset that someone isn't doing enough virtue signaling. They're arrested and in jail, Miles has been kicked off the team and dismissed from the university, what other "backlash" are they supposed to get? You want us to post about them more just to prove....what exactly?






Of course it was a heat of the moment murder, get real. You can't prove it wouldn't have happened another time, but anyone who knows jack shyt about criminal violence knows that the longer you delay, the less chance there is the murder will happen. This wasn't some fukking gang opps or some shyt, it was literally a random person he just ran into.





Without Miller's involvement, there's a better chance she'd be alive today. No serious person can argue otherwise.





Nope, but they can certainly make it worse and keep pouring salt on the wound. The family says they've done that. Are you calling them liars?





Sends a message that you shouldn't bring a gun to a heated and angry person. Sends a message that people are responsible for their actions.






At least you're admitting it. I wonder how many other people in this thread know this but don't want to admit it.

Alabama is literally telling the family, "fukk your feelings, we'd suspend him if it didn't affect our W/L record but throwing a ball threw a hoop is more important to us than holding him accountable for the part he played in your loss."

I don't care about the virtue signaling either way. If criminal charges could be filed against Miller for a crime he committed, then this wouldn't be a debate.. But if you're gonna engage in virtue signaling, at least be consistent and proportional. Otherwise it just sounds emotional.

Heat of the moment is incompatible with the definition of capital murder according to Alabama's statutes. If you get me angry and there is a gun next to me and I kill you, heat of the moment. If I have to go get a gun in another location, there is no moment, it's more than moment. Enough time has elapsed that I'm comfortable calling that premeditated. And yes, it is possible a miracle could happen and I have a change of heart but I don't see that from someone ok to take someone's life in cold blood.

There's a better chance she's alive, but where we differ is on the quantity of that chance. You seem to think it's significant enough that Miller should face consequences. I don't think it's that high. Cold blooded killers don't easily get beset by minor inconveniences IMO.

Look, the family is in a tough strait, and I feel for them. I'm certainly not calling them liars. If I was in their place I'd probably want Miller expelled and executed along with every family member of his (in addition to the shooter and accomplice) but I wouldn't expect Alabama to comply with my wishes. I'm not denying that they could have been more tactful (Oates could have simply expressed "thoughts and prayers", the ole American tradition, and offered no comment other than that), but they're really under no obligation to comply with the family's wishes if they feel such wishes are detrimental to their goals of winning.

"You shouldn't bring a gun to a heated and angry person" isn't a crime. And it isn't an objectively immoral thing to do, it depends on your code of conduct. And it gets complicated if you, while heated and angry, are asking someone to return your gun to you, unless you're absolutely sure that a crime is about to be committed. I can't relate, I think gun ownership is absurd, and in a perfect world all 3 would have the charges of gun possession added. This is the country we live in though. You may have higher standards for gun ownership which is great but not everyone abides by that. Guns are offensive weapons, and yet they are allowed in American society despite the damage they cause. That is incompatible and contrary with the rule you don't take an angry friend a gun.

Yes. That is what Alabama is telling the family. That is what society is telling the family. That is what the state of Alabama is telling the family. "fukk your feelings, he didn't do anything wrong, that's why he isn't in jail". This is only getting traction because he's a high profile basketball player and you have the hope that the University of Alabama will take society and the law's place in administering some form of justice, just to make the family feel better? I don't rate UA that high, sorry.

 

[getmoney310cpt]

He’s going to get drafted, get his check; and then the family of the woman who lost her life will sue in civil court for wrongful death..