Aight dammit. Let's finally get into language and the CULTivation of CULTure

[Buddy]

See my subsequent response. Threads like these are made damn near daily. There’s a constant need by many in this specific forum to highlight negativity involving black people are everyday.

There are PLENTY of positive interactions in this forum and the others every single hour. Black folks know how to speak and are free to speak as they please. Non-black people say the n-word because they want to, not because we empowered them to do so.

This is no different than saying how black people need to pull up their pants so police don’t harass them, when 95 percent of us don’t sag them anyway.

I read your second post and yeah, I don’t think you really get where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm off on where you're coming from, but it basically sound like "it is what it is", so we might as well do what we want.

You certainly can, but I notice how any of this kind of rhetoric is reduced to "respectability politics"-- as if we can't have our own standards and norms absent of white people or whatever they think.

The thread is about cultivating the culture we want as we see fit. Not resigning ourselves to what it is. I shared a video a few posts up of Jewish kids describing what a "mensch" is to them. That's intentional cultivation. And if you think that doesn't has an impact on how they see themselves and one another then you're sadly mistaken.

The thought that we could be more imaginative and affirming in the way that we communicate with one another should not be a threat. And the notion that it is speaks volumes to the current norms.

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

I read your second post and yeah, I don’t think you really get where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm off on where you're coming from, but it basically sound like "it is what it is", so we might as well do what we want.

You certainly can, but I notice how any of this kind of rhetoric is reduced to "respectability politics"-- as if we can't have our own standards and norms absent of white people or whatever they think.

The thread is about cultivating the culture we want as we see fit. Not resigning ourselves to what it is. I shared a video a few posts up of Jewish kids describing what a "mensch" is to them. That's intentional cultivation. And if you do think it has an impact on how they see themselves and one another then you're sadly mistaken.

The thought that we could be more imaginative and affirming in the way that we communicate with one another should not be a threat. And the notion that it is speaks volumes to the current norms.

The norm for me, as well as the majority of other black folks, are positive and respectful conversations with other black people. To pretend that’s not the case is nothing but a disingenuous attempt to highlight negativity in our community, which is what people do in this forum every day.

What other people or children do is of no concern to me. Highlighting them or any other people as some type of bar to reach as a culture of positivity is a joke, seeing many of the negative ACTIONS that have resulted in the slaughter of millions of Palestinians overseas, and the disenfranchisement of millions of black folks here.

They intentionally cultivate their children to accept genocide and victimizing entire populations as well. Those same children will grow up to endorse innocent women and children being shot by Israeli snipers, which is more problematic than any language could ever be, but at least they know what words to not use, right?

I would like to see the video of him explaining that conflict to them to see how positive and cultivating it is.

We should be able to use the language we want because we’re not lacking of intelligence or discernment. Do some black people lack those things? Sure, but what does that have to do with the overwhelming majority? Nothing.

 

[GPBear]

yea, the sapir-whorf hypothesis is that one's language effects how one thinks, you're right to point out the negative aspects of language. there's some interesting things you can learn about history.

for example, we know a lot of english words are french in origin, but there's a trend to them: since the norman's were the conquerors, words relating to upper-class items are usually french in origin: like the word 'beef', comes from french 'boeuf'. but the word for the animal itself, 'cow', is anglo in origin because they were the lower-class serfs who were actually tending lifestock.

there's other examples, like the Roma people (gypsies) origin was lost to history, but linguists figured out they were north Indian in origin because common words across all Roma culture relating to battle/war are rooted in the language of northern India, where the ancestors of the Roma were warriors hence they all use old words for cultural aspects of fighting because that's what they originally were.

 

[MasterThought]

I read your second post and yeah, I don’t think you really get where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm off on where you're coming from, but it basically sound like "it is what it is", so we might as well do what we want.

You certainly can, but I notice how any of this kind of rhetoric is reduced to "respectability politics"-- as if we can't have our own standards and norms absent of white people or whatever they think.

The thread is about cultivating the culture we want as we see fit. Not resigning ourselves to what it is. I shared a video a few posts up of Jewish kids describing what a "mensch" is to them. That's intentional cultivation. And if you think that doesn't has an impact on how they see themselves and one another then you're sadly mistaken.

The thought that we could be more imaginative and affirming in the way that we communicate with one another should not be a threat. And the notion that it is speaks volumes to the current norms.

Yep, make a thread like this and the first things these cats are gonna bring up is white folks .

Somebody already did it in this very thread

 

[MasterThought]

Black people calling THEMSELVES "n1ggas" and IDENTIFYING as "n1ggas" devalues black people....in the eyes of black people.

Black people adopting that word was one of the worse moves we ever made.

That word is absolutely destroying us from a psychological standpoint.

 

[Buddy]

The norm for me, as well as the majority of other black folks, are positive and respectful conversations with other black people. To pretend that’s not the case is nothing but a disingenuous attempt to highlight negativity in our community, which is what people do in this forum every day.

What other people or children do is of no concern to me. Highlighting them or any other people as some type of bar to reach as a culture of positivity is a joke, seeing many of the negative ACTIONS that have resulted in the slaughter of millions of Palestinians overseas, and the disenfranchisement of millions of black folks here.

They intentionally cultivate their children to accept genocide and victimizing entire populations as well. Those same children will grow up to endorse innocent women and children being shot by Israeli snipers, which is more problematic than any language could ever be, but at least they know what words to not use, right?

I would like to see the video of him explaining that conflict to them to see how positive and cultivating it is.

We should be able to use the language we want because we’re not lacking of intelligence or discernment. Do some black people lack those things? Sure, but what does that have to do with the overwhelming majority? Nothing.

I'm not "highlighting" or glorifying them, the word itself, "mensch", was just the easiest example I could think of. And I damn sure ain't saying we lack intelligence-- I don't know where that part came from. In fact I pointed out we've used a lot of imagination and creativity to create demeaning terms. You say we should be able to use the language we want and I agree-- I'm just saying we can literally intentionally create the language we want in an affirmative matter and the implications would be a lot more profound than we even know.

yea, the sapir-whorf hypothesis is that one's language effects how one thinks, you're right to point out the negative aspects of language. there's some interesting things you can learn about history.

for example, we know a lot of english words are french in origin, but there's a trend to them: since the norman's were the conquerors, words relating to upper-class items are usually french in origin: like the word 'beef', comes from french 'boeuf'. but the word for the animal itself, 'cow', is anglo in origin because they were the lower-class serfs who were actually tending lifestock.

there's other examples, like the Roma people (gypsies) origin was lost to history, but linguists figured out they were north Indian in origin because common words across all Roma culture relating to battle/war are rooted in the language of northern India, where the ancestors of the Roma were warriors hence they all use old words for cultural aspects of fighting because that's what they originally were.

Had to look this up, rep for bringing it up cause I knew what was thinking, but I wasn't aware of any hypotheses on it.
I think the Himba people out of Namibia are a great example of that. Researchers did this fascinating experiment with them where they had them point out the "different" color in the images below.

They couldn't identify the blue square in the arrangement and you wanna think HOW but when they showed them the arrangement on the right they could identify the different one immediately... again, HOW?! They're all identical for us. But it's really about the way they've assigned color.

For them, they would consider all the squares on the left as "buru"... They're just green and blue for us. And with the one on the right, we just understand whichever one is off as being a slightly different shade of green. But again for them, they understand it completely different, as "dambu" or "zuzu"

Hope I'm not getting too weird with it, but I'm basically trying to say the words we use, and how we assign them can have a profound impact on our reality. So if we're intentional in the words we create and how we assign them, damn...

 

[010101]

action comes before & after everything*

 

[Buddy]

 

[Uachet]

I'm not "highlighting" or glorifying them, the word itself, "mensch", was just the easiest example I could think of. And I damn sure ain't saying we lack intelligence-- I don't know where that part came from. In fact I pointed out we've used a lot of imagination and creativity to create demeaning terms. You say we should be able to use the language we want and I agree-- I'm just saying we can literally intentionally create the language we want in an affirmative matter and the implications would be a lot more profound than we even know.

Had to look this up, rep for bringing it up cause I knew what was thinking, but I wasn't aware of any hypotheses on it.
I think the Himba people out of Namibia are a great example of that. Researchers did this fascinating experiment with them where they had them point out the "different" color in the images below.

They couldn't identify the blue square in the arrangement and you wanna think HOW but when they showed them the arrangement on the right they could identify the different one immediately... again, HOW?! They're all identical for us. But it's really about the way they've assigned color.

For them, they would consider all the squares on the left as "buru"... They're just green and blue for us. And with the one on the right, we just understand whichever one is off as being a slightly different shade of green. But again for them, they understand it completely different, as "dambu" or "zuzu"

Hope I'm not getting too weird with it, but I'm basically trying to say the words we use, and how we assign them can have a profound impact on our reality. So if we're intentional in the words we create and how we assign them, damn...

Let me get this straight, the left circle of boxes have a blue box in it too? If so, damn I wonder why I can't see it on the left circle of boxes, but can see it on the right circle of boxes. I am pretty sure I am not Himba, so either I misunderstood how the test is conducted, there is a missing pic, or my color perception is similar to the Himba.

So I guess I need to have a bit clarification on the bolded part to fully understand what option for me it may be.

 

[Buddy]

Let me get this straight, the left circle of boxes have a blue box in it too? If so, damn I wonder why I can't see it on the left circle of boxes, but can see it on the right circle of boxes. I am pretty sure I am not Himba, so either I misunderstood how the test is conducted, there is a missing pic, or my color perception is similar to the Himba.

So I guess I need to have a bit clarification on the bolded part to fully understand what option for me it may be.

No, all the squares in the left circle are green, but one is a different shade. They have a word for the one that's a different shade-- we don't.
Conversely, we have a word for "blue" which is why we can identify the blue square in the right circle of boxes, but they don't have a word for it. All of them are among the same color group so they can't perceive the where the difference is.

So in relation to the thread... we can identify through language, 'c00ns', etc. Negative behaviors and characteristics of people but our terms to identify the positive, righteous, etc are lacking in comparison. Again, we can literally make those terms if we want to.

 

[MMS]

I highly recommend people read this piece of literature (especially those versed in the bible and other apocryphal scriptures)

The Eloquent Peasant

Ancient Egyptian Story About Eloquence

pages.ucsd.edu

words and language are like a strange mirror

 

[Uachet]

No, all the squares in the left circle are green, but one is a different shade. They have a word for the one that's a different shade-- we don't.
Conversely, we have a word for "blue" which is why we can identify the blue square in the right circle of boxes, but they don't have a word for it. All of them are among the same color group so they can't perceive the where the difference is.

So in relation to the thread... we can identify through language, 'c00ns', etc. Negative behaviors and characteristics of people but our terms to identify the positive, righteous, etc are lacking in comparison. Again, we can literally make those terms if we want to.

Ok thanks for the clarification.

Also, I disagree with the bolded part. We have plenty of words to identify the positive. You used one, righteous, in the same sentence. We use to use "He is righteous" or "that's righteous" a lot in the past. We also call each other by family monikers like brothers, sisters, and cousins when we are not related. We also use to use Young, Black, & Gifted. We now use King and Queen or Boss. Hotep is something we said to each other in the late 80s to mid 90s. It only meant be at peace back then, now it has been changed into a negative designation by those who want us to accept what I consider certain degenerate behaviors.

We continue to create positive words to describe ourselves, it is just that we also continue to use negative words to describe ourselves too. You may hear the negative words used more and are not that familiar with the positive ones, but that is because it may seem like many of those in the later generations after mine have embraced what I would call a culture of negativity, hedonism, and debasement. When in a situation like that, more negative terms will be used and perhaps created than positive ones. Things happen in cycles though when it comes to the human experience, and so where we are now will change eventually back to a more positive aspect later. Dark times will happen perhaps before the change occurs, but eventually it will happen if we still exists as a species.

 

[Roger king]

I am a black man never have i address any fellow black man as a ''nikka'' or ''c00n'' in real life, i dont use those terms especially among non black people. In public and social settings always be professional

 

[Buddy]

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[Buddy]

Bump. You a c00n... c00n... c00n... c00n

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