Africans in India face constant battles with racism

[GetInTheTruck]

Wtf, read the peer reviewed Harvard published article pertaining to genetics before spouting shyt please. I don't care about where it's 'preserved', subtle indoctrination has millions of Africans praising a white saviour.

The further north you go, the higher the amount of European/Arabic blood and the lighter the skin. This has been confirmed. Your conclusion of the south being aryan based on no genetic evidence is irrelevant, regardless of whether you pre-empt it with a vague sentence based on arbitrary statements.

I'm not disputing that North Indians are generally lighter than South Indians, but it's far from the rule.

If you paid attention to those studies you would see that India hasn't had much "foreign blood" mixed into it's population for much of it's long history, and definitely not as much as other places. What those studies are saying is that India was initially populated by different groups of people, over time these peoples stratified along "caste lines," but it had nothing to do with race or color. You can read about it here:

Southern India’s Caste System Predates Arrival of Indo-Europeans, Genographic Project Reveals

The North, as you say yourself, has been subject to foreign invasion by Persians, Greeks, and Arabs, etc...as a result, many "Aryan" high caste Brahmins migrated southwards to preserve Brahminical Vedic culture, that's why South India today is where you find "Hinduism" practiced in it's purest form....and the vast majority of these people are far from what we would call "white," not even close, and certainly MUCH darker than the average North Indian.

This is one of India's hindu saints, who was also a Brahmin...does this guy look white to you?

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

I'm not disputing that North Indians are generally lighter than South Indians, but it's far from the rule.

If you paid attention to those studies you would see that India hasn't had much "foreign blood" mixed into it's population for much of it's long history, and definitely not as much as other places. What those studies are saying is that India was initially populated by different groups of people, over time these peoples stratified along "caste lines," but it had nothing to do with race or color. You can read about it here:

Southern India’s Caste System Predates Arrival of Indo-Europeans, Genographic Project Reveals

The North, as you say yourself, has been subject to foreign invasion by Persians, Greeks, and Arabs, etc...as a result, many "Aryan" high caste Brahmins migrated southwards to preserve Brahminical Vedic culture, that's why South India today is where you find "Hinduism" practiced in it's purest form....and the vast majority of these people are far from what we would call "white," not even close, and certainly MUCH darker than the average North Indian.

This is one of India's hindu saints, who was also a Brahmin...does this guy look white to you?

You seem to have confused the issue. Yes the southern region has its own caste system, which is based on social class. However this thread was relating to racism, and the Hindu Varna system places more importance on SKIN COLOR.

Secondly, I did pay attention, but if you had then you would have seen that southern Indians have the hallmarks of an indigenous population, whereas northern Indians have far more European and Arabic markers in their Dna.

Thirdly, when comparing these two groups, it is absurd to place the Brahmin people in the south. The differences in appearance are clear. What makes me laugh is how you ask whether the man (who, like anyone, can learn Brahmin doctrine) originates from a SOUTH EASTERN region of India. So the fact that he is dark skinned supports my argument. As I said, the caste system in question is based on how much foreign blood an Indian has within them.

You argue that Brahmins and aryans are one. A theory born out of complaints that the original theory of migration was too separatist. Regardless, genetic markers show

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

I'm not disputing that North Indians are generally lighter than South Indians, but it's far from the rule.

If you paid attention to those studies you would see that India hasn't had much "foreign blood" mixed into it's population for much of it's long history, and definitely not as much as other places. What those studies are saying is that India was initially populated by different groups of people, over time these peoples stratified along "caste lines," but it had nothing to do with race or color. You can read about it here:

Southern India’s Caste System Predates Arrival of Indo-Europeans, Genographic Project Reveals

The North, as you say yourself, has been subject to foreign invasion by Persians, Greeks, and Arabs, etc...as a result, many "Aryan" high caste Brahmins migrated southwards to preserve Brahminical Vedic culture, that's why South India today is where you find "Hinduism" practiced in it's purest form....and the vast majority of these people are far from what we would call "white," not even close, and certainly MUCH darker than the average North Indian.

This is one of India's hindu saints, who was also a Brahmin...does this guy look white to you?

You seem to have confused the issue. Yes the southern region has its own caste system, which is based on social class. However this thread was relating to racism, and the Hindu Varna system places more importance on SKIN COLOR.

Secondly, I did pay attention, but if you had then you would have seen that southern Indians have the hallmarks of an indigenous population, whereas northern Indians have far more European and Arabic markers in their Dna.

Thirdly, when comparing these two groups, it is absurd to place the Brahmin people in the south. The differences in appearance are clear. What makes me laugh is how you ask whether the man (who, like anyone, can learn Brahmin doctrine) originates from a SOUTH EASTERN region of India. So the fact that he is dark skinned supports my argument. As I said, the caste system in question is based on how much foreign blood an Indian has within them.

You argue that Brahmins and aryans are one. A theory born out of complaints that the original theory of migration was too separatist. Regardless, genetic markers show an admixture in northern Indians stretching back 3000+ years ago. Your theory falls apart when considering that the highest caste (Brahmins) have all of the hallmarks of the lowest castes?

this should clear your confusion

Brahmin Theory - Indianisation in SEA

 

[GetInTheTruck]

You seem to have confused the issue. Yes the southern region has its own caste system, which is based on social class. However this thread was relating to racism, and the Hindu Varna system places more importance on SKIN COLOR.

Again, skin color has nothing to do with varna. We've had this discussion multiple times here, you can read through this thread for starters:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/gene...ed-the-origins-of-indias-caste-system.245041/

The caste system in India isn't separated by North and South. Brahmins in South India don't lose Brahmin status when they go to the North or vice versa. They are simply recognized as belonging to their respective clan or community. All Brahmins have gotras, which is how they trace their lineage. There are North Indian Brahmins who share the same Gotras as some South Indian Brahmins, it's just that over time, some members of a particular Gotra decided to venture south to either escape Buddhist / Jain influence or because of Muslim invasions.

Gotra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Secondly, I did pay attention, but if you had then you would have seen that southern Indians have the hallmarks of an indigenous population, whereas northern Indians have far more European and Arabic markers in their Dna.

Not anymore than North Indians. Again, the genetic evidence shows that India hasn't seen much of an influx of outside DNA within the last 10,000 years that drastically altered their makeup. Before this was established, it was theorized that white Aryan invaders from the North must have invaded and pushed the natives South. You're operating off of outdated information.

When geneticists say that North Indians share some DNA with Europeans / Central Asians, it doesn't mean that they are racially closer to Europeans, in fact, the data shows that Indians whether they are from the North or the South share more with each other than anybody else.

Thirdly, when comparing these two groups, it is absurd to place the Brahmin people in the south. The differences in appearance are clear. What makes me laugh is how you ask whether the man (who, like anyone, can learn Brahmin doctrine) originates from a SOUTH EASTERN region of India. So the fact that he is dark skinned supports my argument. As I said, the caste system in question is based on how much foreign blood an Indian has within them.

LOL, why is it absurd? I don't think you've researched this topic enough breh.

and no, "anybody" could not learn "Brahmin doctrine." Brahminical hinduism is based on the study and recital of the Vedas, which was strictly reserved for the Brahmin caste ONLY. Non-Brahmin hindus, which make up the majority, follow tantras, agamas, etc...which may or may not be influenced by Vedic thought.

For example, the strain of hinduism that is prevalent in the non-brahmin South Indian communities is Shaivism. Shaivism is rooted in Vedas but today operates largely outside it's scope. Why? Because those people were historically barred from learning them.

You argue that Brahmins and aryans are one. A theory born out of complaints that the original theory of migration was too separatist. Regardless, genetic markers show an admixture in northern Indians stretching back 3000+ years ago. Your theory falls apart when considering that the highest caste (Brahmins) have all of the hallmarks of the lowest castes?

this should clear your confusion

Brahmin Theory - Indianisation in SEA

Aryan culture is culture that is rooted in Vedas. Vedas have been passed down for thousands of years exclusively by the Brahmin communities. There is no argument about this, it's just a fact. "Aryan" has nothing to do with skin color or race.

"Indian culture" is diverse and may or may not have anything to do with Vedas. For example, Buddhism and Jainism were considered "Indian religions" for thousands of years, but yet they operated completely independently from Brahminism or the Vedas. Over time Jainism was engulfed by Vedanta, and Buddhism was pushed out. These days we lump all Indian religions in with "Hinduism," that's probably where you're getting confused.

 

[DrBanneker]

And yet stinking Indians are all over Africa..Wheres Idi Amin when you need him.

You know, I oppose racism against us in any form but don't cape for some mad psychopath like Idi Amin. The Asians got off easy with him--they were deported. You have any idea how many Blacks he killed? In any case, don't support ethnic cleansing, who knows what others have planned for us...

Also, a quick fact (African tyrant: The truth about Amin) is that the British and Israelis were quick to welcome Idi after his coup since they hated the original nationalist president Obote that didn't fit well with their goals. African nationalist hero he ain't.

But back on topic. I have known about some of the issues with African students in India. Like @GetInTheTruck says a lot are there to study in technical schools though some come because tuition is much cheaper than in the West. China is still the biggest destination for them though. A quick fact is a Sudanese guy actually was elected councillor at Jawaharlal Nehru University back in 2007 (Sudanese student sweeps JNU polls | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis). Unfortunately there was a backlash against Africans at Indian colleges a few years later after a student went to the hospital after a drug overdose. They claimed Africans sold him the drugs but most people in India and China usually buy drugs from their own dealers so .

Part of the racial issues are reflective of old prejudices in Indian society and are sad. Some people want to be 'better' than us, which is also sad. Some of it is assimilated racism from the West where they were told they weren't as good as Whites but better than Blacks. It didn't have to be this way though. Though a lot of people on the Coli have talked about Gandhi's issues with Blacks in South Africa, but after Independence, India and Africa enjoyed some close ties in the Non-Aligned Movement. Nehru was and is still respected in Africa. In fact, when PM Modi visited recently he was embarrassed since all the Africans praised Nehru incessantly (who Modi's party, the BJP, despises because he was from the Congress Party).

When the Belgians tried to partition the Congo when Lumumba was in charge using the Katanga province and the Uncle Tom Moise Tshombe (who eventually killed Lumumba) they were stopped by UN troops who were largely Indian (and Irish) because they hated the British who backed the Belgians. It seems the 21st century has changed things though. It's all about paper and the way to show you are 'made' is to shyt on Blacks

 

[DrBanneker]

And yet stinking Indians are all over Africa..Wheres Idi Amin when you need him.

You know, I oppose racism against us in any form but don't cape for some mad psychopath like Idi Amin. The Asians got off easy with him--they were deported. You have any idea how many Blacks he killed? In any case, don't support ethnic cleansing, who knows what others have planned for us...

Also, a quick fact (African tyrant: The truth about Amin) is that the British and Israelis were quick to welcome Idi after his coup since they hated the original nationalist president Obote that didn't fit well with their goals. African nationalist hero he ain't.

But back on topic. I have known about some of the issues with African students in India. Like @GetInTheTruck says a lot are there to study in technical schools though some come because tuition is much cheaper than in the West. China is still the biggest destination for them though. A quick fact is a Sudanese guy actually was elected councillor at Jawaharlal Nehru University back in 2007 (Sudanese student sweeps JNU polls | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis). Unfortunately there was a backlash against Africans at Indian colleges a few years later after a student went to the hospital after a drug overdose. They claimed Africans sold him the drugs but most people in India and China usually buy drugs from their own dealers so .

Part of the racial issues are reflective of old prejudices in Indian society and are sad. Some people want to be 'better' than us, which is also sad. Some of it is assimilated racism from the West where they were told they weren't as good as Whites but better than Blacks. It didn't have to be this way though. Though a lot of people on the Coli have talked about Gandhi's issues with Blacks in South Africa, but after Independence, India and Africa enjoyed some close ties in the Non-Aligned Movement. Nehru was and is still respected in Africa. In fact, when PM Modi visited recently he was embarrassed since all the Africans praised Nehru incessantly (who Modi's party, the BJP, despises because he was from the Congress Party).

When the Belgians tried to partition the Congo when Lumumba was in charge using the Katanga province and the Uncle Tom Moise Tshombe (who eventually killed Lumumba) they were stopped by UN troops who were largely Indian (and Irish) because they hated the British who backed the Belgians. It seems the 21st century has changed things though. It's all about paper and the way to show you are 'made' is to shyt on Blacks

 

[DrBanneker]

And yet stinking Indians are all over Africa..Wheres Idi Amin when you need him.

You know, I oppose racism against us in any form but don't cape for some mad psychopath like Idi Amin. The Asians got off easy with him--they were deported. You have any idea how many Blacks he killed? In any case, don't support ethnic cleansing, who knows what others have planned for us...

Also, a quick fact (African tyrant: The truth about Amin) is that the British and Israelis were quick to welcome Idi after his coup since they hated the original nationalist president Obote that didn't fit well with their goals. African nationalist hero he ain't.

But back on topic. I have known about some of the issues with African students in India. Like @GetInTheTruck says a lot are there to study in technical schools though some come because tuition is much cheaper than in the West. China is still the biggest destination for them though. A quick fact is a Sudanese guy actually was elected councillor at Jawaharlal Nehru University back in 2007 (Sudanese student sweeps JNU polls | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis). Unfortunately there was a backlash against Africans at Indian colleges a few years later after a student went to the hospital after a drug overdose. They claimed Africans sold him the drugs but most people in India and China usually buy drugs from their own dealers so .

Part of the racial issues are reflective of old prejudices in Indian society and are sad. Some people want to be 'better' than us, which is also sad. Some of it is assimilated racism from the West where they were told they weren't as good as Whites but better than Blacks. It didn't have to be this way though. Though a lot of people on the Coli have talked about Gandhi's issues with Blacks in South Africa, but after Independence, India and Africa enjoyed some close ties in the Non-Aligned Movement. Nehru was and is still respected in Africa. In fact, when PM Modi visited recently he was embarrassed since all the Africans praised Nehru incessantly (who Modi's party, the BJP, despises because he was from the Congress Party).

When the Belgians tried to partition the Congo when Lumumba was in charge using the Katanga province and the Uncle Tom Moise Tshombe (who eventually killed Lumumba) they were stopped by UN troops who were largely Indian (and Irish) because they hated the British who backed the Belgians. It seems the 21st century has changed things though. It's all about paper and the way to show you are 'made' is to shyt on Blacks

 

[mbewane]

You know, I oppose racism against us in any form but don't cape for some mad psychopath like Idi Amin. The Asians got off easy with him--they were deported. You have any idea how many Blacks he killed? In any case, don't support ethnic cleansing, who knows what others have planned for us...

Also, a quick fact (African tyrant: The truth about Amin) is that the British and Israelis were quick to welcome Idi after his coup since they hated the original nationalist president Obote that didn't fit well with their goals. African nationalist hero he ain't.

But back on topic. I have known about some of the issues with African students in India. Like @GetInTheTruck says a lot are there to study in technical schools though some come because tuition is much cheaper than in the West. China is still the biggest destination for them though. A quick fact is a Sudanese guy actually was elected councillor at Jawaharlal Nehru University back in 2007 (Sudanese student sweeps JNU polls | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis). Unfortunately there was a backlash against Africans at Indian colleges a few years later after a student went to the hospital after a drug overdose. They claimed Africans sold him the drugs but most people in India and China usually buy drugs from their own dealers so .

Part of the racial issues are reflective of old prejudices in Indian society and are sad. Some people want to be 'better' than us, which is also sad. Some of it is assimilated racism from the West where they were told they weren't as good as Whites but better than Blacks. It didn't have to be this way though. Though a lot of people on the Coli have talked about Gandhi's issues with Blacks in South Africa, but after Independence, India and Africa enjoyed some close ties in the Non-Aligned Movement. Nehru was and is still respected in Africa. In fact, when PM Modi visited recently he was embarrassed since all the Africans praised Nehru incessantly (who Modi's party, the BJP, despises because he was from the Congress Party).

When the Belgians tried to partition the Congo when Lumumba was in charge using the Katanga province and the Uncle Tom Moise Tshombe (who eventually killed Lumumba) they were stopped by UN troops who were largely Indian (and Irish) because they hated the British who backed the Belgians. It seems the 21st century has changed things though. It's all about paper and the way to show you are 'made' is to shyt on Blacks

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