African-Americans are more likely to get hired, but get paid less in tech industry

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My current role I think the recruiter low balled me a little but I suffered a layoff. But I think my salary is on average with the area and the offer included RSUs which I get every year. It's easier for me to negotiate when I am currently working.

My mother is one of those who sort of tells me not to ask for too much but I do it anyway lol.
 

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Black folks happy to make 50k. And when many of us do make it past 100k, we end up making in the low 100s while our peers are in the mid 100s just because we are scared to lose out on the gig thinking if we ask for 130 instead of 110 they will pull back the offer. At the end of the day I believe we should be realistic, but still always look at what the avg salary is for the area, and make sure you are not below it.

Facts, folks don't know how to negotiate.

Every job I have interviewed for, I always say I am making 10-15k more than I really am.

If I am making 55-60k, I say 70-75k

Thats how you get paid, inflate your net value
 

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I have said this is the biggest hurdle for blacks today. It's not places like Chicago or other places with crime problems, but confidence in the workplace. If you have a job and are applying for another position, you should feel confident asking for what you want. If you don't get it, you still have your current job. You might not always get what you want, but you will end up with much more than you would of by just accepting the first offer.

Don't get comfortable in any job. Always be networking and doing soft interviews. IT/Programming is a hustle sport.
 

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I have said this is the biggest hurdle for blacks today. It's not places like Chicago or other places with crime problems, but confidence in the workplace. If you have a job and are applying for another position, you should feel confident asking for what you want. If you don't get it, you still have your current job. You might not always get what you want, but you will end up with much more than you would of by just accepting the first offer.

Don't get comfortable in any job. Always be networking and doing soft interviews. IT/Programming is a hustle sport.

I'm at a job right now that is a bit too corporate for my liking. Truthfully I took it because I had a short layoff and I didn't want to be out of the workforce for too long. I actually profited a bit from my severance.

With that said I moved into my new location and am focusing on networking. Going to small events in the area and stuff. Definitely agreed.
 

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To be fair, these tech companies there a lot of turnover
I don't know about Silicon Valley but I know NYC

Im AA Front End Developer making market rate, a lot of cacs I work next to and we do the same job might be making more. But they are usally the people first to be let go, because companies can't afford to pay these high salaries when business gets slow.

Its better to make market value, rather than gibble and nibble for every penny you think you're worth sometimes. Usually the higher paying person gets let go if work gets slow.
 

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For all its so-called innovation and egalitarianism, Silicon Valley may remain just as problematic as the rest of America when it comes to the pay gap between African-American and white workers.

According to a study by Hired, a San Francisco-based tech worker recruiting firm, the average African-American candidate is 49% more likely to get hired than the average white candidate in the tech industry’s two largest markets, San Francisco and New York.

But when it comes to actual salaries, African-American tech workers — software engineers, in particular — woefully fall behind. According to the report, that’s because they ask for and receive significantly lower salaries: $113,000 and $115,000, respectively, versus their white counterparts who ask for and receive salaries $10,000 more on average.

Hired based its findings on salary data it gathered from over 280,000 interview requests and jobs offers over the last 12 months from over 45,000 job seekers. Those findings may seem counterintuitive given African-Americans as of last spring made up just a small fraction of the predominantly white and Asian male workforces found at many large technology companies. The workforces at many large tech companies on average were 71% men, 29% women, 60% white, 23% Asian and just 7% black, “PBS Newshour” reported in March 2016, citing analysis at the leading tech firms that report such numbers.

The pay gap between African-Americans and their white counterparts is even worse if you look at the broader landscape in the US. According to a report released in September from the Economic Policy Institute, black men earned 22% less and black women made 34.2% less on average than their white counterparts across the US as of 2015 — regardless of profession, despite living in the same geographic areas and having comparable education experience.

What’s less clear, however, is why exactly African-American workers in tech receive more offers than their white counterparts.

“It’s unclear if African-American candidates are receiving more offers because of their diversity initiatives, a lower preferred salary, or a combination of those and other factors,” Hired’s report adds.

Tech companies more recently have begun implementing new measures to improve the diversity of their workforces by gender and ethnicity. Salesforce (CRM), for example, announced its first-ever chief equality officer this past September to focus on initiatives that bring greater diversity to the business software company.

Others like Twitter (TWTR), Pinterest, Airbnb and Slack are trying to promote a more diverse workplace by eliminating bias from the hiring and promotion process. All four of those companies, for example, employ the firm Paradigm to suss out and correct barriers and unconscious biases that could be affecting their diversity efforts. Those include anonymizing resumes so employers can’t tell a candidate’s gender or ethnicity, or modifying a salary negotiation process that places women and minorities at a disadvantage.

That last step, in particular, could be one way to ensure parity between the salaries of African-American and white workers.

African-Americans are more likely to get hired, but get paid less in tech industry
First of all 49% isn't 50/50, secondly 49% is inflated like a mf. :duck:
 

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Black folks just be happy to get an offer, and feel they will "lose out" by asking for what they deserve.

Bingo...

As a black man it makes me extra tight when I interview a black dude for a position that pays 90k and he says he will do it for 70k cause he "trying to get his foot in the door"

I be like "nikka you been a virtualization admin for 6 years your entire body should be pass the door and in the fukking room":martin:
 

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Black folks just be happy to get an offer, and feel they will "lose out" by asking for what they deserve.
It's this simple

Bingo...

As a black man it makes me extra tight when I interview a black dude for a position that pays 90k and he says he will do it for 70k cause he "trying to get his foot in the door"

I be like "nikka you been a virtualization admin for 6 years your entire body should be pass the door and in the fukking room":martin:
Now this is stupid. He shouldn't be acting or talking like this. This is mild c00nery.
 

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First of all 49% isn't 50/50, secondly 49% is inflated like a mf. :duck:
How many are in Silicon Valley and NY and how many are applying is the question?

You have to ask for what you deserve. Somehow, some months ago I found out what others were making and it was well over what I was. If I had demanded my worth, it wouldn't have been an issue, but like a dope I was assuming. After this, we had a sit down about my salary that was too emotional, I was in my feelings, made accusations that made him feel like I had no trust for him or his leadership so it went like this:

ME :ufdup:
CEO:whoa:
ME:damn:
CEO:mjcry:
ME:gucci:

My mother actually had to coach me on handling this situation logically. So when we had the second discussion earlier this year, I calmly - no emo - gave two options (40k increase with retro pay and 50k increase with no retro pay). When we spoke last week, I was told we were going to meet in between, retroactive pay in the form of a big bonus to start and a 45k pay increase. This time it went like this:

ME:jbhmm:CEO:jbhmm:
ME:ehh: CEO:ehh:
End Meeting::jawalrus::smugbiden:

That poster who mentioned us just being happy to get to six figures is right, we're often just grateful to have the job at 90 or 100 and someone doing the same, if not less, work is making 120 or 130. This is exactly what happened in my situation. Anyway, good luck out there, and stay positive.

At the end of the day, if you know you're providing an immeasurable value and you're not afraid to speak up, you'll get what you know you're worth.
I taught my little sis the art of negotiation and she got a big offer and got even more out of it.
 

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Bingo...

As a black man it makes me extra tight when I interview a black dude for a position that pays 90k and he says he will do it for 70k cause he "trying to get his foot in the door"

I be like "nikka you been a virtualization admin for 6 years your entire body should be pass the door and in the fukking room":martin:

I give black folks a pass when they are tying to get their first job. I give anyone a pass if they are trying to get out of a terrible job or were laid off and dont have enough saved to play the job hunting game the way it should be played. But if you arw casually looking for work the ball is in your court so you should demand what you deserve.
 

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I give black folks a pass when they are tying to get their first job. I give anyone a pass if they are trying to get out of a terrible job or were laid off and dont have enough saved to play the job hunting game the way it should be played. But if you arw casually looking for work the ball is in your court so you should demand what you deserve.

This isn't a first job...it's a senior virtualization architect job...and the people who get interviewed for it know that...so they should know what those jobs pay and shouldn't low ball themselves...
 

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This isn't a first job...it's a senior virtualization architect job...and the people who get interviewed for it know that...so they should know what those jobs pay and shouldn't low ball themselves...


SMH. When I get an offer I almost always counter.

No use being shy at this point of the game for senior or multi year level positions.
 

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I'm not in the tech industry. I'm in retail. I notice that Managers will hire someone who is more malleable and that they can pay less.

I fully believe that I have not been promoted because my GM knows I will ask for 40k to do a job he can get someone to do for 33k.
 
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