According to these coli classics threads...Too Short has almost twice as many classic albums as Nas

[T.he I.nformant]

Having a majority percentage of voters vote yes than no on his albums being a classic at nearly double the amount the albums as the guy i'm comparing him too seems pretty clear cut, objective and non-arbitrary.

Argument is light as a marshmallow. You have one vote swing the other way and all of a sudden the album is not a classic. Hate all you want but @Inspect Her Deck and @mobbinfms did a pretty damn good job of trying to put some definition to "classic" and to test that definition by having actual discussion about albums that we as an online hip-hop community feel are of the genre's best. Only thing missing is the quorum factor.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Argument is light as a marshmallow. You have one vote swing the other way and all of a sudden the album is not a classic. Hate all you want but @Inspect Her Deck and @mobbinfms did a pretty damn good job of trying to put some definition to "classic" and to test that definition by having actual discussion about albums that we as an online hip-hop community feel are of the genre's best. Only thing missing is the quorum factor.

the support

I think I'll make a thread about it tomorrow

maybe a poll to see what number of votes we need total per album to make a decision

what are your personal thoughts on a number?

 

[UpAndComing]

There wouldn't even be enough space, this motherfukker has like 68 albums

Now I really wanna see that thread happen. Seeing all the 68 albums all have 98% Not a classic score

 

[H.I.M.]

Argument is light as a marshmallow. You have one vote swing the other way and all of a sudden the album is not a classic. Hate all you want but @Inspect Her Deck and @mobbinfms did a pretty damn good job of trying to put some definition to "classic" and to test that definition by having actual discussion about albums that we as an online hip-hop community feel are of the genre's best. Only thing missing is the quorum factor.

Two people who aren't apart of MY community...can't define shyt in MY community...or tell me a goddamn thing about my peoples music and culture

I don't need no damn coli posters telling me what a classic is.

Them threads...and the premise behind the threads are fugazi as hell...fukk both of them dudes and their cracka ass opinions.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Two people who aren't apart of MY community...can't define shyt in MY community...or tell me a goddamn thing about my peoples music and culture

I don't need no damn coli posters telling me what a classic is.

Them threads...and the premise behind the threads are fugazi as hell...fukk both of them dudes and their cracka ass opinions.

well then fukk off the ONLINE COMMUNITY and stick to YOUR personal community

are you seriously this retarded? you are not obliged to vote in these polls, you do not need to carry around the coli classics list with you and swear to their adherence

and why does your grammar gradually deteriorate the more 'angry' you get?

you really are a clown

 

[UpAndComing]

Why does this whiteboy have Ali in his av?

Ali would and probably DOES bump the shyt outta K-Rino...just like the man who heads the organization he got his ideology from...Farrakhan.

And they share the same ideology and outlook on life

Ali would never associate himself with a clown like this tho



Probably fukk around and run up on him and smush this fukk nicka

So I'm a Cac now?

 

[UpAndComing]

Ali would and probably DOES bump the shyt outta K-Rino...just like the man who heads the organization he got his ideology from...Farrakhan.



Probably fukk around and run up on him and smush this fukk nicka

Wait wait, did this nikka just say Muhammad Ali would be a K-Rino fan?

 

[mobbinfms]

I don't need no damn coli posters telling me what a classic is.

Posted in the very thread you made about Coli posters telling you what a classic is
Oh - and

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Wait wait, did this nikka just say Muhammad Ali would be a K-Rino fan?

greatness respects greatness breh

 

[JuvenileHell]

OP = dumb as fukk

 

[BlackMamba824]

the support

I think I'll make a thread about it tomorrow

maybe a poll to see what number of votes we need total per album to make a decision

what are your personal thoughts on a number?

I've actually been thinking about this exact discussion since the Geto Boys thread that had like 30-40 voters. To be quite honest, I tend to ignore threads where I'm not as familiar with artists or I feel like I can't give a relatively unbiased opinion on the definition of classic, and I think many other posters are doing the same as evidenced by the stark difference in the number of votes seen in a Nas, Jay, Tupac thread vs a Too Short/Geto Boys one. The problem lies in the fact that the more popular artists are by nature going to have more fans and critics while polls about other artists who aren't as popular tend to more often attract fans of the music first with far fewer people coming in "to simply vote no". I would imagine that if the same 180 people that voted in the Nas threads voted in the Too Short/Geto Boys threads the results might look a lot different. In addition, the threads are further complicated by the idea that if albums aren't classic then they are automatically trash. I think we all inherently understand that voting "no" doesn't necessarily mean an album isn't good, but to simply take results and say that an album isn't good because it isn't classic is an entirely different thing.

Obviously, at the end of the day albums with less than 80% yes votes are irrelevant from the coliclassic standpoint, but I do believe that having more votes gives a better idea of how The Coli feels about an album as a whole instead of a subset of individuals that may be more likely to vote yes on all an individual's albums simply because they are a fan.
- I can't say that I expect every thread to get 180 votes but somewhere between 75 and 100 would be a lot better than say 40. Not sure how you could MAKE people vote or if it even makes sense to leave threads open for longer to allow more time.

 

[BlackMamba824]

Two people who aren't apart of MY community...can't define shyt in MY community...or tell me a goddamn thing about my peoples music and culture

I don't need no damn coli posters telling me what a classic is.

Them threads...and the premise behind the threads are fugazi as hell...fukk both of them dudes and their cracka ass opinions.

I agree with this. It's all fun and games at the end of the day though...or should be.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

I've actually been thinking about this exact discussion since the Geto Boys thread that had like 30-40 voters. To be quite honest, I tend to ignore threads where I'm not as familiar with artists or I feel like I can't give a relatively unbiased opinion on the definition of classic, and I think many other posters are doing the same as evidenced by the stark difference in the number of votes seen in a Nas, Jay, Tupac thread vs a Too Short/Geto Boys one. The problem lies in the fact that the more popular artists are by nature going to have more fans and critics while polls about other artists who aren't as popular tend to more often attract fans of the music first with far fewer people coming in "to simply vote no". I would imagine that if the same 180 people that voted in the Nas threads voted in the Too Short/Geto Boys threads the results might look a lot different. In addition, the threads are further complicated by the idea that if albums aren't classic then they are automatically trash. I think we all inherently understand that voting "no" doesn't necessarily mean an album isn't good, but to simply take results and say that an album isn't good because it isn't classic is an entirely different thing.

Obviously, at the end of the day albums with less than 80% yes votes are irrelevant from the coliclassic standpoint, but I do believe that having more votes gives a better idea of how The Coli feels about an album as a whole instead of a subset of individuals that may be more likely to vote yes on all an individual's albums simply because they are a fan.
- I can't say that I expect every thread to get 180 votes but somewhere between 75 and 100 would be a lot better than say 40. Not sure how you could MAKE people vote or if it even makes sense to leave threads open for longer to allow more time.

sticky-ing the threads would potentially help so gotta see what the mods will do about that...but certainly may draw more attention even for lesser artists as you say because they don't have the same natural draw as a Pac/Nas/Jay

me personally, I'd be satisfied with 100. nice round number to deal with, but how realistic that is? idk...

i will keep the threads open for as long as need be. i can always re-open polls etc. and I can adjust the OP updated classics list whenever necessary.

 

[T.he I.nformant]

Two people who aren't apart of MY community...can't define shyt in MY community...or tell me a goddamn thing about my peoples music and culture

I don't need no damn coli posters telling me what a classic is.

Them threads...and the premise behind the threads are fugazi as hell...fukk both of them dudes and their cracka ass opinions.

The whole premise of the coli classic series was for the coli to weigh in on what albums it collectively believes is of the highest rank. It's a pretty impressive undertaking when you think about the number of artists/albums that could qualify. If anything, the criteria seem to be well thought out and give some common ground for this big and diverse community to review albums.

I don't think the goal was to tell people that albums they think are classic are actually not classic or vice versa. I think it's been figuring out which albums this online community (which includes blacks, cacs, and a whole bunch of other parts of people's identities) thinks are the best of the genre. And the process of voting has also been tied to actual discussion about rap so I don't know how anyone you or anyone can be mad about that--especially not in The Booth. (My nikka we're actually talking about Too Short ) If you're critical of the series I guess you can say it's limited because there's a bias toward those rappers from the East Coast, to those artists who are more well-known/popular, and to newer artists--but I think that's just a reflection of our community or at least who's voting.

So you can say that Too Short has a better or more consistent dialogue than Nas. That's your opinion. You're entitled to it. I don't think this project was trying to change your opinion, though:

 

[mobbinfms]

I've actually been thinking about this exact discussion since the Geto Boys thread that had like 30-40 voters. To be quite honest, I tend to ignore threads where I'm not as familiar with artists or I feel like I can't give a relatively unbiased opinion on the definition of classic, and I think many other posters are doing the same as evidenced by the stark difference in the number of votes seen in a Nas, Jay, Tupac thread vs a Too Short/Geto Boys one. The problem lies in the fact that the more popular artists are by nature going to have more fans and critics while polls about other artists who aren't as popular tend to more often attract fans of the music first with far fewer people coming in "to simply vote no". I would imagine that if the same 180 people that voted in the Nas threads voted in the Too Short/Geto Boys threads the results might look a lot different. In addition, the threads are further complicated by the idea that if albums aren't classic then they are automatically trash. I think we all inherently understand that voting "no" doesn't necessarily mean an album isn't good, but to simply take results and say that an album isn't good because it isn't classic is an entirely different thing.

Obviously, at the end of the day albums with less than 80% yes votes are irrelevant from the coliclassic standpoint, but I do believe that having more votes gives a better idea of how The Coli feels about an album as a whole instead of a subset of individuals that may be more likely to vote yes on all an individual's albums simply because they are a fan.
- I can't say that I expect every thread to get 180 votes but somewhere between 75 and 100 would be a lot better than say 40. Not sure how you could MAKE people vote or if it even makes sense to leave threads open for longer to allow more time.

These are all great points.
At the end of the day, there's no way to make this perfect. Nas and Jay are gonna get more votes than anybody else.
I think we've got a system that does the best to address issues that are inherent in an undertaking such as this.

Also, nothing will prevent us from going back after everything is done and putting the quorum issue to a vote.

You shouldn't ignore any thread, unless you feel that you're not very knowledgable about this shyt in general. If you've been listening to this music your whole life (and you're not 13) go ahead and vote on everything, you should have an idea of what the consensus is at this point.
Not everyone is gonna have the same experiences with this shyt