Not just Egypt
But any country that is considered Arab
#AA Call To Action: 2020 Census To Keep Racial, Ethnic Categories Used In 2010
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But any country that is considered Arab
Most universities have a 'demographic look' they want to their schools - you can easily go onto any universities website and see their "demographic outlook" which tells you how they want the school to look...Universities don't want more Asians - tough for them, but it's not anyone else's issue - certainly not blacks issue like they keep trying to claim....we fight for our 8 spots fair and square and I've no doubt a black student who 'slipped in' with a 3.5 HS GPA would crush an Asian on any holistic, non socio-economic biased knowledge exam...
I actually have a huge issue with Asian claims that because they look better on paper that they are the most deserving group. I also notice they are quick to call out black/Hispanic students for 'taking their spots' when their is a very real issue of Legacy Admissions that allows white students with sub-par credentials to enter some of America's best learning institutions just because 200, 300 years ago, a relative paid $0.25/semester to attend. That's what's really unfair - Legacy admissions takes up a good bit of seats but Asians won't tackle that issue...it's much easier to look down on darker people than confront whites about practices that basically guarantee seats to offspring of certain people no matter what....Legacy admissions does NOT work for blacks/asians/hispanics in the same way....unless your parent becomes someone or you're donating tens-hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars, their is no 'special consideration' given. If you look at an incoming classes scatter chart and you see those 2/3 kids who left HS with a 1.0 GPA and 800 SAT score but they are somehow in your U Chicago incoming class... just know that's a white kid - black kids have to basically invent time machines, and cure global disease at the HS level before getting the same consideration. Also, take into the fact that a 4.0 from a 'black school' is not weighted as 'heavily' as a 4.0 from a 'white school' and you have to give props to those 7/8 black kids that slip in each class...they are smarter than average OVERALL, not just at their school. Trust they've done more than any Asian or white to be qualified for those spots and they should make no apologies for getting accepted. They didn't 'take' an Asians spot...they filled up one of the max, 10 spots allocated to blacks for the incoming class.
Besides, everyone knows the admissions process is supposed to be Holistic...every Asian has the same application, so it makes sense that a university will cap them even lower than generally accepted Affirmative Action quotas would suggest...you only need so many violin and tennis playing Mandarin/Korean speakers with a 4.0 at one school....and then, let's look at how honest that 4.0 is...Asians have a terrible cheating problem, so they likely didn't even earn that 4.0 the same way a black student would've earned theirs...
So whenever I see these articles, I just roll my eyes...on paper he should've gotten in over them, but that's just on paper, and there are a lot of things that gets evaluated in the admissions process.
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After looking at it there is no functional difference.
There is a write-in section already on the pre-existing form. If you want to "check african-american"(or annything else) then just write it in. The 6 lil inadequate check boxes are pointless.
You can still derive the same data via write in.
Note: There is a reason that demographic data aleady exist on different groups of "African Americans" in the U.S.
There is a write-in section already on the pre-existing form. If you want to "check african-american"(or annything else) then just write it in. The 6 lil inadequate check boxes are pointless.
You can still derive the same data via write in.
Note: There is a reason that demographic data aleady exist on different groups of "African Americans" in the U.S.
not just Egypt, North Africa is considered white(which is BS), meaning black people from North African countries are counted as white
CreepyMcCreeperson
Veteran
not just Egypt, North Africa is considered white(which is BS), meaning black people from North African countries are counted as white
I actually met a North African white woman at work years ago. She seemed very excited to tell me where she was from.
xoxodede
Superstar
People who mark "Black" for their race on the 2020 census will be asked about their origins. Many black immigrants can cite ties to a specific country, but some U.S.-born African-Americans say they cannot.
ARI SHAPIRO, HOST:
For the 2020 census, the U.S. Census Bureau has changed some of the questions it asks. Among them, how black people are asked to designate their race. This means many people may have to take a closer look at their family trees to define their ethnic origin. NPR's Hansi Lo Wang has more.
HANSI LO WANG, BYLINE: On the upcoming census form, you'll likely see a new space under the checkbox for black or African-American. That's where you're supposed to write in non-Hispanic origins, such as African-American, Jamaican, Nigerian or if you're Niat Amare, Ethiopian.
NIAT AMARE: I'm African. I identify as black. But I don't see myself as an African-American.
LO WANG: So Amare says with this change for the 2020 census, she can be more specific about her black identity.
AMARE: We can't just be black as African-Americans. We are black from Africa, we are black from the Caribbean, we are black from everywhere.
LO WANG: The Census Bureau has said it's been trying to respond to calls for, quote, "more detailed disaggregated data for our diverse American experiences." You can hear some of that diversity at African Services Committee. This is where Niat Amare works as a legal advocate for immigrants in New York City. And there are so many languages of the African diaspora spoken here.
MULUSEW BEKELE: Soninke, Mandingo, Wolof, what else?
LO WANG: Mulusew Bekele, the director of program operations, who is Ethiopian-American, needs help naming them.
BEKELE: Malinke - come, tell me other languages.
AMANDA LUGG: Pulaar, Amharic, French, the common language in the office.
LO WANG: That was Amanda Lugg with the assist. She considers herself black British. And she's the director of advocacy for people living with HIV at African Services Committee, which offers free health screenings to immigrants. Lugg says more detailed census data about black people's ancestry could improve her organization's public health work.
LUGG: This is a great step forward in terms of being able to get more specific information on who's actually living here, yeah.
LO WANG: But Mulusew Bekele says here's the rub about the census asking for people's origins. Around the country, there's growing distrust in turning over personal information to the government.
BEKELE: Are people willing to answer that question given the current anti-immigrant sentiment? That I can't tell.
CHRISTINA GREER: I mean, literally, this keeps me up at night (laughter) because it's not just about filling out the census.
LO WANG: This is Christina Greer, a political science professor at Fordham University.
GREER: I'm the author of "Black Ethnics: Race, Immigration, And The Pursuit Of The American Dream."
LO WANG: Greer warns that if fewer black people participate in the 2020 census, there could be an undercount. And that could have impacts lasting long after 2020 on redistributing seats in Congress and drawing up legislative districts. Still, Greer says she's planning to write down black American for her origins.
GREER: I consider myself a JB, which is just black. So when people ask you where you're from and I say, oh, you know, New York, Philly, Chicago, Baltimore, it's like, no, but where are you from-from?
LO WANG: It's a question, Greer says, that's hard, if not impossible to answer for many African-Americans who have roots in the U.S. going back centuries to ancestors forced upon these shores as enslaved people.
GREER: If we're really honest with what hundreds of years of U.S. chattel slavery really meant, many people had to walk miles and across countries before they were shipped off.
LO WANG: And that cut ties to home countries for their descendants, including Chris Owens, a project engineer for an energy consulting firm based in New York City.
CHRIS OWENS: I'm from St. Louis, Mo. and either you're black or you're white, at least where I'm from.
LO WANG: Owens says for most of his life, questions about his race were straightforward. But after moving to Boston and later New York...
OWENS: I've been asked if I'm Haitian, Jamaican, any Caribbean just based on how I look. That's even caused me to try to figure out which island I was from.
LO WANG: Owens has just over two years to keep digging into family history for an answer before the 2020 census forms come out. For now though, if you ask him about his origins, he says he's sticking with American. Hansi Lo Wang, NPR News, New York.
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xoxodede
Superstar
This is great.
And for this:
People who mark "Black" for their race on the 2020 census will be asked about their origins. Many black immigrants can cite ties to a specific country, but some U.S.-born African-Americans say they cannot.
I don't know why AA "say they cannot."
If your ancestors are from America via enslavement - then you are American - so put "America." If your family/Ancestors immigrated by choice to U.S./America - mark where you are from or what you identify as. They are trying to make it hard - and it's not.
JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
It is good that more specificity is being added for ethnic origins.
Nah :toure: we are an oppressed, captive nation
but if you mean in the sense of, this is where our ancestors were brought and labored, and our "national origin" for Census purposes (vs. an African immigrant or Caribbean and Central/South American brehs and brehettes, who obviously trace elsewhere), then of course and I agree...
the issue here is this relatively unspoken sense of interchangeability of Africans in the American context and confusion over what a so-called "African-American" is.
an immigrant from Africa or the diaspora cannot come here and become "African-American," nor can their children just by being born here as far as I'm concerned. I'm not on some sucker or divisive shyt when I say that, it's just simply that's not what an "African-American" is. If I immigrate to Brazil, I am not an "Afro-Brazilian" even if I get naturalized, my familial roots are not there.
This is something that we've aided, abetted, and allowed as a function of our weak ethnic and national identity.
Nah :toure: we are an oppressed, captive nation
but if you mean in the sense of, this is where our ancestors were brought and labored, and our "national origin" for Census purposes (vs. an African immigrant or Caribbean and Central/South American brehs and brehettes, who obviously trace elsewhere), then of course and I agree...
the issue here is this relatively unspoken sense of interchangeability of Africans in the American context and confusion over what a so-called "African-American" is.
an immigrant from Africa or the diaspora cannot come here and become "African-American," nor can their children just by being born here as far as I'm concerned. I'm not on some sucker or divisive shyt when I say that, it's just simply that's not what an "African-American" is. If I immigrate to Brazil, I am not an "Afro-Brazilian" even if I get naturalized, my familial roots are not there.
This is something that we've aided, abetted, and allowed as a function of our weak ethnic and national identity.
AlainLocke
Banned
Finally
Harvard's incoming freshman class is one-third legacy—here's why that's a problem
Harvard's incoming freshman class is one-third legacy—here's why that's a problem
Top schools now have record low admission rates, but only some students have to worry about what that means for their chances. Legacy admissions, at elite institutions especially, put a select few at a distinct advantage.
Harvard's incoming class of 2021 is made up of over 29 percent legacy students, reports The Harvard Crimson. Last year's applicants who had Harvard in their blood were three times more likely to get into the school than those without.
The case is the same at Stanford. In fact, across the top 30 schools in the U.S., one review from 2011 discussed in the Washington Post found that children of alumni "had a 45 percent greater chance of admission" than other applicants.
Legacy students tend to be wealthy and white, students who, as a group, are already disproportionately represented at college. The New York Times found that, at five Ivy League schools, Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale, Penn and Brown, as well as 33 other colleges, there are more students from families in the top one percent than from the entire bottom 60 percent.
That's not an accident. In fact, in the early 20th century, universities introduced a preference for legacies on purpose to exclude less-desirable applicants, such as immigrants, and to keep their campuses homogeneous, Think Progress reports. Princeton adopted a comprehensive admissions process in 1922, which led to a drop in its Jewish student population. The chairman of Princeton's Board of Admissions acknowledged that he had wanted to solve their "Jewish problem."
Nowadays, supporters of this tradition are more likely to argue that alumni with kids at their alma mater will be more inclined to donate and so boost overall fundraising. But that claim has been proven false.
As the Washington Post notes, Chad Coffman found in his book, "Affirmative Action for the Rich," that when seven colleges stopped accounting for legacy status during the admissions process between 1998 and 2008, there was "no short-term measurable reduction in alumni giving."
Prioritizing legacy crowds out applicants from lower-income backgrounds, and those students arguably need more what elite schools have to offer: a great education, connections and resources such as tuition scholarships and grants for unpaid internships that will help them join the professional class.
At this point, low-income students are vastly underrepresented at elite institutions. Nationally, 40 percent of students receive federal aid in the form of a Pell Grant, the Boston Globe reports, but they only account for an average of 16 percent of Ivy League undergraduates.
A new study from the Georgetown University Center on Education and Workforce points out that selective schools should have no problem affording to admit more lower-income students.
What's more, the authors write, letting high achievers from the working class go to an elite school will give them a higher chance of graduating, and in effect, "go a long way toward advancing equity in this country — by giving students in poor financial circumstances a far greater chance of succeeding."
Schools such as Harvard and Yale have increased their share of low-income students in recent years. And, in 2016, 30 institutions, including all the Ivy League schools, signed the American Talent Initiative, which "aims to attract, enroll and graduate an additional 50,000 lower-income students" by 2025.
That's heartening, given that America's current outdated system of giving preference to the relatives of former students is essentially cheating, says Richard V. Reeves, author of the new book "Dream Hoarders" and a senior fellow in Economic Studies and co-director of the Center on Children and Families at the Brookings Institute.
"To operate a hereditary principle in college admissions," he tells CNBC Make It, is unfair. Especially for a country that tells itself it is a meritocracy.
Reeves went to Oxford, but he says that didn't ensure his son's admission.
When his son applied, "he didn't get in, and it would have been seen as preposterously unfair" if the son had been admitted simply because his father is an alumnus. "So we might have a hereditary monarchy [in the U.K.], but, by the way, [the members of that monarchy] don't get to go to Oxford and Cambridge anymore, either, because they don't get good enough grades."
That kind of preference for legacy admissions in the U.K. "disappeared in the twentieth century," he says.
By contrast, "the way we organize our education system" in the U.S., he says, "excludes many of those in the bottom 80 percent." The system is "destroying the American Dream, rather than living it."
Samson
Wholesome Black Man
Finally!!!
#HaitianGang should have a strong showing. I am expecting us to be the plurality-majority of West-Indian Blacks
#HaitianGang should have a strong showing. I am expecting us to be the plurality-majority of West-Indian Blacks
