"A white woman can't give birth to a black child"

[Yup]

what does black women in other countries have to do with what's going on here in the US?

there's too many black women that have grown up with a generational lack of disrespect for black male. these very men grow up thinking its normal, until they experience women of other races. women of other races, that (ironically) don't have the same disrespectful disposition towards black males.

i mean, BW just dont get it. the way you raise the girls and the way you raise the males is counterproductive towards black relationships. the girls are being raised to believe that black males aint shyt, and they must pursue education over all else. the boys are being taught to worship women, while ignoring the persuit of wealth, generational wealth, and power. we're taught to just love black women, nothing else. which ultimately backfires when black boys hit puberty and realize yall dont want p*ssy worshiping simps.

but what's your theory? why do you think black mothers can raise her son for 18 yrs, only for him to dislike the black girls in his peer group.

The disrespect goes both ways marcuz. I am willing to bet that when the honeymoon stage is over these women y'all put on pedestal aren't the angels that y'all make them out to be.

Black people don't respect each other and gravitate toward other races thinking they are the exception to the rules among the degenerates.

A relationship with a mother will be different from a relationship with a woman. I believe that men value women based on how men treat them. You can be a wonder mother to your son but if your son does not see you being cherished by a man and also noticed that it being standard that blacl women are not cherished by their male counterparts by staying in a relationship with them...I believe that affects how young black boys interact with young black men romantically.

It's to the point where people expect black women to be perpetually alone. A woman can only do her part of raising children, she cannot replace the role a father takes in the life of her son and daughters.

 

[marcuz]

The disrespect goes both ways marcuz. I am willing to bet that when the honeymoon stage is over these women y'all put on pedestal aren't the angels that y'all make them out to be.

Black people don't respect each other and gravitate toward other races thinking they are the exception to the rules among the degenerates.

A relationship with a mother will be different from a relationship with a woman. I believe that men value women based on how men treat them. You can be a wonder mother to your son but if your son does not see you being cherished by a man and also noticed that it being standard that blacl women are not cherished by their male counterparts by staying in a relationship with them...I believe that affects how young black boys interact with young black men romantically.

It's to the point where people expect black women to be perpetually alone. A woman can only do her part of raising children, she cannot replace the role a father takes in the life of her son and daughters.

it's not the same. girls who grow up fatherless don't even know what to look for in a man. men with good mothers have a blueprint of what to look for, and often find these women dont exist in their dating pool. i'm sure promotion has a lot to do with the preference as well. but how we're received by black women has a much bigger impact on our perspective.

a lot of dudes want women of other races because they're the finished product of another mans patriarchy. making black woman seem a bit rough around the edges by comparison. i believe the only way to combat that is by having our own patriarchy that takes care of BW in the same way white, asian, other women are cared for.

 

[Yup]

what does black women in other countries have to do with what's going on here in the US?

there's too many black women that have grown up with a generational lack of disrespect for black male. these very men grow up thinking its normal, until they experience women of other races. women of other races, that (ironically) don't have the same disrespectful disposition towards black males.

i mean, BW just dont get it. the way you raise the girls and the way you raise the males is counterproductive towards black relationships. the girls are being raised to believe that black males aint shyt, and they must pursue education over all else. the boys are being taught to worship women, while ignoring the persuit of wealth, generational wealth, and power. we're taught to just love black women, nothing else. which ultimately backfires when black boys hit puberty and realize yall dont want p*ssy worshiping simps.

but what's your theory? why do you think black mothers can raise her son for 18 yrs, only for him to dislike the black girls in his peer group.

The non-black women Ive seen who prefer black men or have had mixed kids with black men end up just as bitter and complain about the sam things that black women complain about. I personally think that some stick it out because they don't want the fall out and being told: "I told you so" by family and friends who were against the relations in the first place.

Basically, there is a pathology of not knowing how to handle relationships among blacks that stem from this babydaddy/babymama culture.

 

[Yup]

it's not the same. girls who grow up fatherless don't even know what to look for in a man. men with good mothers have a blueprint of what to look for, and often find these women dont exist in their dating pool. i'm sure promotion has a lot to do with the preference as well. but how we're received by black women has a much bigger impact on our perspective.

a lot of dudes want women of other races because they're the finished product of another mans patriarchy. making black woman seem a bit rough around the edges by comparison. i believe the only way to combat that is by having our own patriarchy that takes care of BW in the same way white, asian, other women are cared for.

So you are saying that black boys are better equipped on finding a good partner than black girls in a fatherless home? I disagree.

Men who are not raised as being relarionship men but smash and dash are not going to be equipped with staying in a relationship.

 

[Yup]

it's not the same. girls who grow up fatherless don't even know what to look for in a man. men with good mothers have a blueprint of what to look for, and often find these women dont exist in their dating pool. i'm sure promotion has a lot to do with the preference as well. but how we're received by black women has a much bigger impact on our perspective.

a lot of dudes want women of other races because they're the finished product of another mans patriarchy. making black woman seem a bit rough around the edges by comparison. i believe the only way to combat that is by having our own patriarchy that takes care of BW in the same way white, asian, other women are cared for.

You think the only people that complain about black men in relationships are black women now that black men date out more and more?
I've had russian girls complain ro me about black guys.. white girls...native american...persian girls....chinese girls/korean girls. And it's not by me throwing black guys under the bus.Your compatriots have a rep that precedes them.ans they touch on all the points a lot of them stemming on lack of commitment.
Black men are not any better at relationships than the black women they accuse of.

P.S: women are more willing to put up with disrespect in a relationship than a man would for the same thing. So using stats indicating that black men are more married doesn't count for much. Even in this day and age....women can look the other way on many transgressions when they "love" a man enough.

 

[marcuz]

You think the only people that complain about black men in relationships are black women now that black men date out more and more?
I've had russian girls complain ro me about black guys.. white girls...native american...persian girls....chinese girls/korean girls. And it's not by me throwing black guys under the bus.Your compatriots have a rep that precedes them.ans they touch on all the points a lot of them stemming on lack of commitment.
Black men are not any better at relationships than the black women they accuse of.

P.S: women are more willing to put up with disrespect in a relationship than a man would for the same thing. So using stats indicating that black men are more married doesn't count for much. Even in this day and age....women can look the other way on many transgressions when they "love" a man enough.

this isn't about why IR relationships fail though, this conversation is about why some black men are choosing other races of women. the problem is a lot of women of other races date black men, only to find many of us aren't patriarchal, and we don't have a community. they expect a certain level of provisions black men aren't accustomed, or capable of offering.

but that still doesn't change anything i said about the generational lack of disrespect that many BW come to the table with. not to mention all the other variables like weave, obesity, out of wedlock children, etc

 

[Yup]

this isn't about why IR relationships fail though, this conversation is about why some black men are choosing other races of women. the problem is a lot of women of other races date black men, only to find many of us aren't patriarchal, and we don't have a community. they expect a certain level of provisions black men aren't accustomed, or capable of offering.

but that still doesn't change anything i said about the generational lack of disrespect that many BW come to the table with. not to mention all the other variables like weave, obesity, out of wedlock children, etc

BW are raised around black men...black men are not a mystery to them. They see the good, the bad and the ugly. They are less likely to give you the benefit of the doubt for the same thing that a white woman woman not raised around men would. Flip the script on anu races of women and it'd be the same thing with their male counterparts. The disrespect between black men and women is mutual. Black women don't respect black men and black men don't respect black women.

Strangely we aren't disagreeing we are just talking from opposite perspectives.

 

[miranda]

Are you that c00n's alias? I assume that you've read some of my posts. That's a stupid question that you're trying to use to antagonize me. To that I say go fukk yourself.

no, im not an alias. not trying to antagonize, just wondering if your perspective was skewed because you have a nonblack spouse and child. it's a simple yes or no, but you dont want to answer, thats cool.

 

[Yup]

this isn't about why IR relationships fail though, this conversation is about why some black men are choosing other races of women. the problem is a lot of women of other races date black men, only to find many of us aren't patriarchal, and we don't have a community. they expect a certain level of provisions black men aren't accustomed, or capable of offering.

but that still doesn't change anything i said about the generational lack of disrespect that many BW come to the table with. not to mention all the other variables like weave, obesity, out of wedlock children, etc

Essentially you are saying that bw don't know how to be in a relationship and I am telling black men don't know how to be in a relationship neither. Changing the race of the woman isn't necessarily changing the outcome of a relationship fallout. I find it funny when black men trying to hold black women to it when they themselves are not much better. My only solution is that both parties learn to grow and mature together in the department they both lack. But that will demand a bit of sacrifice and less instant gratification.

 

[Yup]

this isn't about why IR relationships fail though, this conversation is about why some black men are choosing other races of women. the problem is a lot of women of other races date black men, only to find many of us aren't patriarchal, and we don't have a community. they expect a certain level of provisions black men aren't accustomed, or capable of offering.

but that still doesn't change anything i said about the generational lack of disrespect that many BW come to the table with. not to mention all the other variables like weave, obesity, out of wedlock children, etc

Let the coli tell it they are open to all building with a man and having men who work minimum wage jobs.

 

[marcuz]

BW are raised around black men...black men are not a mystery to them. They see the good, the bad and the ugly. They are less likely to give you the benefit of the doubt for the same thing that a white woman woman not raised around men would. Flip the script on anu races of women and it'd be the same thing with their male counterparts. The disrespect between black men and women is mutual. Black women don't respect black men and black men don't respect black women.

Strangely we aren't disagreeing we are just talking from opposite perspectives.

black women are raised around every type of black man but the one that matters, a loving father. black girls have their experiences warped from only associating with men interested in them sexually. i dont feel the disrespect is mutual. yes, there's a problem with black men disrespecting black women, but it isn't coming from the same space.

as i said, many of black girls are taught from BIRTH that black men aint shyt. black boys are not being taught by our black mothers that all black women aint shyt. our realization comes after puberty, when we realize what females in our peer group are actually on. it's almost like a betrayal. after being raised to believe all black women are queens and must be worshiped, we come in contact with leagues of females that are everything but righteous

and yeah, i understand it goes both ways. but i guess i feel the difference is black women aren't interested in the right men until they're out of options.

 

[marcuz]

Essentially you are saying that bw don't know how to be in a relationship and I am telling black men don't know how to be in a relationship neither. Changing the race of the woman isn't necessarily changing the outcome of a relationship fallout. I find it funny when black men trying to hold black women to it when they themselves are not much better. My only solution is that both parties learn to grow and mature together in the department they both lack. But that will demand a bit of sacrifice and less instant gratification.

i'm not saying black women don't know how to be in relationships. black women know how to act right immediately when they're dating other races of men.

 

[Yup]

i'm not saying black women don't know how to be in relationships. black women know how to act right immediately when they're dating other races of men.

And I could say the same thing about black men who treat hia non-black girlfriends differently and would make concessions that he would never make for black women. But you can only fake it for ao long...eventually the cover will blow.

 

[Yup]

black women are raised around every type of black man but the one that matters, a loving father. black girls have their experiences warped from only associating with men interested in them sexually. i dont feel the disrespect is mutual. yes, there's a problem with black men disrespecting black women, but it isn't coming from the same space.

as i said, many of black girls are taught from BIRTH that black men aint shyt. black boys are not being taught by our black mothers that all black women aint shyt. our realization comes after puberty, when we realize what females in our peer group are actually on. it's almost like a betrayal. after being raised to believe all black women are queens and must be worshiped, we come in contact with leagues of females that are everything but righteous

and yeah, i understand it goes both ways. but i guess i feel the difference is black women aren't interested in the right men until they're out of options.

A woman will not raise a girl the same way she would raise a boy. I feel the disrespect is mutual...a relationship that a boy has with his mother is not in direct correlation with how he attracts with women in his peer group.

 

[marcuz]

A woman will not raise a girl the same way she would raise a boy. I feel the disrespect is mutual...a relationship that a boy has with his mother is not in direct correlation with how he attracts with women in his peer group.

it's not a direct correlation, just note that black males are not being raised from birth to lack respect for the female gender. if dudes go over to other races of women and find they're more pleasant, it shouldn't be chalked up to "the black man wants the white mans woman because she's cherished"