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I'm hoping for some lottery fukkery tonight even though it's a long shot we'll jump into the top 4. Cant get pick 5-6, only 1-4 and 11-13
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they should've had Bron represent us at the lottery so when we get the #1 pick he can look at the camera like
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I'm hoping for some lottery fukkery tonight even though it's a long shot we'll jump into the top 4. Cant get pick 5-6, only 1-4 and 11-13
1/11 Odds of getting top 4. Iron Man faced worse
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So if we trade everybody except Bron in a trade for AD we wouldn’t have a max cap slot after the trade
So if we do a trade before free agency a max guy would have to take a small discount to come here
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So if we trade everybody except Bron in a trade for AD we wouldn’t have a max cap slot after the trade
So if we do a trade before free agency a max guy would have to take a small discount to come here
That's why I've been saying it was better for the Lakers to not make the AD trade until after July 1st or else it'll fukk up free agency. By waiting until after free agency it opens up the chance for that extra max slot to pair with Bron and AD if it happens.
LeBron is impossible to trade at his salary. There's just no way they'd be able to match up with another team unless they took a bunch of terrible contracts back. He has a 15% trade kicker too. Any trade talk is pure fantasy.
Here's a good article on the Kidd hire:
The Lakers will have to manage the bad optics of hiring...
The Lakers will have to manage the bad optics of hiring Jason Kidd
By Andy Kamenetzky May 13, 201920
In a vacuum, Frank Vogel is a fine hire as the Lakers’ new head coach. He’s neither a sexy name nor a transcendent talent, but he has demonstrated that if you provide him a sound roster (which the front office must soon create, regardless of who coaches) he can succeed, especially defensively.
Vogel guided the Pacers to two straight Eastern Conference Finals and might have competed for a championship if he had somehow managed to avoid the Heatles. During his first three full seasons, Indiana went from 42 to 56 wins. Paul George and Roy Hibbert both flourished. Vogel will likely require some good offensive minds on his staff, but even great coaches need support. He won’t win the press conference, but that is largely the Lakers’ doing, given how they turned him into a consolation prize by botching the hiring process.
Vogel may be a “safe” pick, but that doesn’t necessarily make him a bad choice. However, he has been made immediately vulnerable by the presence of assistant coach Jason Kidd, whom I wouldn’t have hired for any role for a multitude of reasons.
You can begin with Kidd’s off-the-court issues, which are significant. He has pleaded guilty to drunk driving. He’s pleaded guilty to spousal abuse, which was allegedly not limited to one incident. Yes, that violence occurred over a decade ago, we are a society of second chances and no shortage of teams have since kept Kidd in the NBA. For that matter, the Lakers, like basically every team in the league, have a history of employing players with transgressions, alleged or otherwise. There’s no moral ambiguity with Kidd’s bad behavior, but the treatment of bad behavior in sports is typically steeped in it.
Compartmentalization becomes an exercise by fans and organizations alike, with rationales ranging from contrition to the perceived media treatment of the offender to the effect on winning. Where the line gets drawn is often messy, hypocritical and self-serving. And to be fair, it’s sometimes drawn in the right places for the right reasons. Sports fandom, like people themselves, can be complicated, and it’s not inherently unreasonable for the comfort level among franchises or fans to vary, depending on the full context, as well as the timing.
Of course, what matters most for these purposes is the Lakers’ comfort level with Kidd, and it appears they’re not entirely at ease, either.
My brother Brian and I hosted a show on ESPNLA 710 hours after the Vogel news broke, and both Ohm Youngmisuk and Ramona Shelburne suspected Kidd’s optics were at least part of the reason he wasn’t named head coach. This lines up with what Stephen A. Smith is saying (along with basic dot-connecting, given the widely reported determination to give Kidd some type of role) and presents the Lakers as trying to mollify fans by giving Kidd a gig but not the best gig.
This is, of course, ridiculous.
Whether Kidd is the head coach or an assistant is a distinction without a difference. You’re either willing to make Kidd an employee or you’re not. The Lakers are, and they can’t soften whatever criticism by putting him in the second chair. If they don’t believe me, they should take a stroll through their Twitter mentions. Plus, Kidd can’t be logically hidden behind Vogel, since he’s the far bigger name anyway. How the Lakers address this elephant in the room, assuming it’s addressed at all, remains to be seen. But if the plan was to sneak Kidd through the back door, consider this the latest in a growing list of half-measure moves destined to go sideways.
Honestly, if you’re going to hire Kidd at all, it made more sense to just name him the head coach.
The blowback would have been bad, between the character concerns and, to be honest, a middling reputation with Xs and Os. Then again, the blowback over character has already been bad, and Kidd’s weaknesses could be offset by a quality staff. Either way, you’d be limiting the controversies.
By making Kidd the second in command, you’re now forced to deal with another big issue, which is his persona of a manipulative power-grabber. Throughout his professional career, whether as a player or a coach, Kidd has become known as someone who requires colleagues to keep their head on a swivel. Ask Byron Scott. Or Lawrence Frank. Or the Nets. Or Luke Walton, who I imagine didn’t enjoy last March’s episode of “The Jump,” where Kidd transparently lobbied for a Lakers head coaching gig that, inevitability notwithstanding, had yet to be vacated. These are just a few incidents that speak to why he’s widely considered untrustworthy.
Moreover, Kidd already has an established relationship with LeBron James, along with The King’s respect, which can’t be said for Vogel. That can potentially change, but it’s awkward and potentially undermining to start comparatively behind the 8-ball, especially while on just a three-year deal. As ESPN’s Dave McMenamin noted, LeBron will treat his new situation with professionalism, but given his famously tricky dynamic with coaches, everyone will be on high alert for palace intrigue. Otherwise benign situations, like LeBron and Kidd talking during a high-leverage timeout, will be treated as a future coup in the making.
Jason Kidd already has a rapport with LeBron James. (Jeff Hanisch / USA TODAY Sports)
Does this necessarily mean Kidd is gunning for Vogel’s job? No, but this setup allows the “Vogel’s getting undercut” narrative to write itself too easily, fair or not. There’s also desperate need for the Lakers to project stability, with everyone rowing in the same direction. Considering that this franchise is now known as a den of vipers, less potential strife would be preferable. (On the other hand, if the den itself ain’t going anywhere, what’s one more viper?) Until Vogel succeeds at such a high level that replacing him feels like a reach, Kidd’s shadow will loom, along with the rumors. The Lakers are now a soap opera, and Kidd’s presence doesn’t feel valuable enough to introduce another perceived (if not actual) storyline to monitor.
Which isn’t to say there are no potential positives with Kidd. He’s considered by many a good developer of young talent, an asset that is valuable for a team whose core currently includes Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma and Josh Hart. In particular, the organization is bullish on Kidd influencing Ball. Stylistically, the two share similarities Kidd could hone, but temperamentally, Ball is prone to floating through games. It’s easy to understand why the front office would be intrigued by Kidd unlocking more consistent assertiveness. If nothing else, that’s a helluva basketball mind for Ball, or any of the young players, to learn from.
Still, Kidd’s presence will be tricky for the Lakers, who’ve spent the last several months napalming their optics. They’ve grown stunningly dysfunctional and seemingly insistent on adding more potential turmoil. That’s their choice, but with it comes the inevitable PR and narrative battles, along with preventing themselves from sinking further into chaos. To put it kindly, this hasn’t been a strong suit of late. Then again, making life harder than necessary appears to be this regime’s ethos. In that sense, the Lakers remain predictably on brand.
Top photo of Jason Kidd: Rocky Widner / NBAE via Getty Images
The Lakers will have to manage the bad optics of hiring...
That’s why the trade demands were stupid to begin with. Terrible miscalculation on the part of Rich Paul. The AD move was always a given but not until a max free agent was secured. This is basically a modified version of the CP3/Dwight plan except we only have to execute one big trade as opposed to two.
Bron and AD alone won’t get the job done. I’m not a believer of AD in any role other than 3rd option on this team. I’d way rather just get Kawhi because I know he can carry this team when LeBron can’t.
Yeah, I think brehs gotta start circling the wagons at this point because it’s loads of bullshyt being spread around now just to sell stories. Unless it’s from a real source, we should stop posting sensationalized stories in the thread.
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fukk AD, go all out for Kawhi and sign sensible vets with the remaining money(Dedmon, Meeks, Ariza)
Zo/Caruso
Ingram/Meeks/Hart
Kawhi/Ariza
Bron/Kuz
Dedmon/Jonathan
Zo/Caruso
Ingram/Meeks/Hart
Kawhi/Ariza
Bron/Kuz
Dedmon/Jonathan
I would keep Bullock