A King and an Empire: The Official GOAT franchise Boss Angeles Lakers 2018-19 season

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Still Lebron could have done more than what he did. He needed to up his scoring intensity and he didn’t

Oh, I definitely agree with this. I was one of the people complaining about him not being more aggressive. However, we all know he still would've gotten chastise, even if LA made the playoffs.

"Lebron's playing Bron ball"..."Lebron's hindering Ingram's development"..."He's taking shots away from the young players"
 
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Oh, I definitely agree with this. I was one of the people complaining about him not being more aggressive. However, we all know he still would've gotten chastise, even if LA made the playoffs.

"Lebron's playing Bron ball"

"He's hindering Ingram's development"

"He's taking shots away for the young players"


You’re correct in your accessment about bron haters saying he was,” holding the young guys back” if he went full Harden mode. And I understand with McGhee on the floor teams were packing the paint and of course he was coming off the injury. However, Lebron failed to do what needed to be done. He should have taken at least 25 shots per game and tried to put the team on his back. What’s disappointing is I think part of the reason he didn’t because he was afraid of the criticism you were talking about.
 

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The reason they lost Brook was because they wanted Beasley. When they realized they weren't going to have Randle that's when they decided to go get Beasley. They felt that Beasley had a similar skill set to be a small ball 5 as Julius Randle did.


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this is easily the WOAT FO



Seriously with Lebron there they didn’t need Randle. Losing Lopez was idiotic though.
 

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You’re correct in your accessment about bron haters saying he was,” holding the young guys back” if he went full Harden mode. And I understand with McGhee on the floor teams were packing the paint and of course he was coming off the injury. However, Lebron failed to do what needed to be done. He should have taken at least 25 shots per game and tried to put the team on his back. What’s disappointing is I think part of the reason he didn’t because he was afraid of the criticism you were talking about.

Yep, I remember Lebron's return game versus the Clippers. People were complaining about Ingram not getting enough touches even though LA won the game.
 

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Im a Bron stan and this is way too much caping. :heh:

He came back and should have either got the job done or relaxed on all the "playoff mode activated" talk. Instead of all the individual huffing and puffing, he should have kept the motivational speeches to a team perspective. "We can get this done..." "I know we might not have the most experienced team, but we have to go into playoff mode". Hes been separating himself from them all season long so its no wonder they couldn't overcome the injury adversity. The next man up approach doesn't work when the team is divided. And yes, this team is constructed like a mid 2000s team, which doesn't work anymore. But it should not have prevented them from making the playoffs. Look at the Rockets

Gordon = Missed 13 games
Capela = Missed 15 games
CP3 = Missed 23 games
Theyre challenging for the 1 seed out west

I didn't hear a word from Harden complaining when they were 12-14 in Nov/December. And Harden doesnt have 1/4 of the resume Bron has. Meaning Harden would have more reason to be insecure. All that "me and them" stuff. All that "Me and the other brain of the team Rondo were out" . All the "we gotta get the young guys caught up" when its the young guys anchoring the defense. Young guys weren't walking off the court with 15 seconds left in the game. Young guys weren't sitting by 2 Chains. Young guys aint out in the media lusting over AD and all the other upcoming free agents. Young guys aint spending timeouts sitting on the scorers table while the coach is drawing up plays in the huddle. Young guys aint walking through the tunnel sipping wine. Young guys aint posting up with Maglinka in the tunnel during the game. Bron gotta hold that L for this season. Do better next year.

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He needs to get with whoever worked with Steph when he was having his ankle problems to learn how to build up the rest of the leg muscles to provide ankle strength. I just hope he gets over the stubbornness and works with outside trainers instead of just his pops.
 

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Steph/Lebron suffered injuries to the same body part. Curry even talked about it when it happened. It's fair game to compare the two. Curry's injury was basically a grade 1 strain...Lebron injury was a grade 2 . Lebron put up 24p/14r/9a in 40 minutes in his first game back versus the Clippers. So It's totally understandable why he would take the GS game off. Especially with it being a travel game where the team would be missing multiple players.

You keep comparing the record of the team with and without Lonzo/Lebron without context. The weakest part of LA's schedule was when Lebron sat out. The toughest part of LA's schedule was when Lonzo was out. Also, LA traded Kuzma right when Lebron came back. So LA loss their best post player on top of losing Lonzo. The losses to ATL,NO and Mem where bad road, but the losses to the Knicks and Cavs were even worse. If Lonzo is as good as you say he is.how come he couldn't lead the Lakers to home wins over the Knicks and Cavs?

In the last 2 months New Orleans has beaten Denver,Utah,Houston and the LAC...and played down to the wire games with OKC,Den,SA and Phili.......Memphis has beaten Utah,Portland,Indiana and SA....and played down to the wire games with Bos,Den,SA,LAL and OKC.....Mem/NO beating a flawed injured LA team at home is not a shock.

And I'm not Juelzing, My opinions are based on logic/facts,not bias/agenda....People just need to admit that they will never fukk with Lebron, even if he wins multiple Championships.
Y'all got to stop this shyt. When the Lakers were killing the majority of the posters in here was giving props to Lebron. The difference is y'all Lebron fans would get hyper sensitive to any criticism regarding him. As Laker fans we criticize anybody's fukk ups even if they are the star leading the team. Doesn't mean we don't fukk with a guy, we just don't think anybody is perfect and will call out areas in which anybody is fukking up. If Lebron brings results we fukk with him. If he's doing all that diva shyt and dividing the team and killing morale, then yes people will place a lot of blame on him and have the expectation that he should take over and clean up the mess.

One criticism a lot of us on the side of Kobe in the Kobe vs Lebron debate was that with Kobe he's going to go down shooting. He's not going to just throw up a pretty enough statline to be absolved from blame. He's going to take the attitude that if his teammates are bullshytting he's going to take over. Lebron actually was doing that early in the season for large streches. But now with the ship sinking he seems to have turned in "check my stats" mode. As long as he gets his 28-8-8 he's done.
 

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You’re correct in your accessment about bron haters saying he was,” holding the young guys back” if he went full Harden mode. And I understand with McGhee on the floor teams were packing the paint and of course he was coming off the injury. However, Lebron failed to do what needed to be done. He should have taken at least 25 shots per game and tried to put the team on his back. What’s disappointing is I think part of the reason he didn’t because he was afraid of the criticism you were talking about.
I agree with this. I never subscribed to the "hes holding the team back" narrative. Real players get theirs no matter the circumstance. He only plays 36 minutes, this isn't the early 2000s where stars played 42 minutes. THem young dudes wanna be wolves, step up and eat. And the numbers show they scored more this year than last, even with Bron "holding them back". I think Bron should have shot more because to me, a team that is struggling to make the playoffs shouldnt have a star player, who shoots 52% from the field only take 18-19 shots. I think that's bad basketball. "The right basketball play" isn't always passing even if the player is slightly more open than you. The star demoralizing a defense can have a greater impact. All 2 points aren't the same.
 

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I know its bytch at Bron/ front office time and both deserve some blame but here's a positive....


Kawhi joined lebron at his party in Toronto..... From what I read it.... could be bullshyt.... If not.....













Let the tampering begin......:mjlit:
 
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I know its bytch at Bron/ front office time and both deserve some blame but here's a positive....


Kawhi joined lebron at his party in Toronto..... From what I read it.... could be bullshyt.... If not.....













Let the tampering begin......:mjlit:

Bron would earn a lot of points with the stanbase if he could finesse Kawhi. I’d give up all the props. :hubie:
 

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Seems more people are focusing in on the dumbass Zubac trade. Rusillo and Bill Simmons talked about it at length on the podcast and now this athletic article about it.

Ivica Zubac's rim skills have Clippers thanking Lakers for...

LOS ANGELES — With each passing game, it’s become more clear: The Clippers’ trade-deadline acquisition of Ivica Zubac from the Lakers was a fleecing.

Zubac quietly has become one of the game’s better rim-protectors at just 22 years old. His 7-foot-1 frame (and 7-4 wingspan) make him one of the biggest players, and he’s learned how to leverage that size in close quarters. He’s not a swat machine like, say, Joel Embiid or Rudy Gobert, but more of a positionally sound defender who will alter shots in the mold of Marc Gasol or Steven Adams.

Since Zubac’s debut as the Clippers’ starting center on Feb. 9 in Boston, the Clippers are 9-4 and have posted a 102.4 defensive rating in the 264 minutes he has been on the court. That is better than the Milwaukee Bucks’ league-best defensive rating (104.6) by over 2.0 points per 100 possessions and better than L.A.’s season-long defensive rating by over 7.0 points per 100 possessions (109.9, 19th-best in the NBA).

Zubac’s full-season 102.2 defensive rating ranks 17th among all qualified players (40-plus games and 15-plus minutes per game) and fifth among centers.

“He’s a very good defensive pick-and-roll player,” Clippers forward Danilo Gallinari said. “He can protect the rim very well. He knows how to use his body. He knows how to be vertical. He’s been doing great for us.”

Before the Feb. 7 trade deadline, the Clippers had a defensive rating of 110.2, the 19th-best mark in the league. But over the past 13 games, with Zubac starting at center, the team has posted a 108.8 defensive rating, 11th-best in the league. Before their 125-104 loss to the Portland Trail Blazers on Tuesday, the Clippers were a top-seven defense with Zubac.

“We have a rim-protector. Bottom line,” coach Doc Rivers said. “Trezz [Montrezl Harris] does it at times. But Zu is a true rim-protector, and Zu has been great at it. So that’s why (we’ve improved).”
The Clippers’ base defense has a simple list of responsibilities for its center: Protect the rim, prevent lobs to their man, drop back toward the free-throw line against most ball-handlers in the pick and roll — off-the-dribble snipers like Stephen Curry, Damian Lillard and Kyrie Irving are among the exceptions — and clean the defensive glass.

If a 5 can handle those basic objectives, he is more than competent in the Clippers’ defensive scheme.

The problem for the Clippers earlier this season was that they had two centers, Marcin Gortat and Boban Marjanovic, who couldn’t execute those responsibilities consistently, both because of age and their waning athleticism and foot speed. Zubac is much younger and more lithe than both and, frankly, has better defensive instincts.

“We just play our same defense, except for now when a big drives, Zu is back there and it makes a difference,” Rivers said.

Zubac’s ability to act as a deterrent in the paint and at the rim has transformed the Clippers’ defense outside of just their defensive rating. He’s impacting where opponents shoot and how they score.

With Zubac on the floor, opponents are averaging 7.0 fewer second-chance points, 3.3 fewer fast-break points and 3.1 fewer points in the paint per 100 possessions than when he’s off the court. Opponents shoot marginally worse and get to the free-throw line significantly less with Zubac out there as well.

That, in large part, is because his presence has changed how his teammates approach their defensive tasks.

Now, perimeter defenders like Patrick Beverley and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander aren’t as worried that their man will score in the paint if they get beat on the perimeter. That allows them to play up on the ball more aggressively, knowing that Zubac will block or contest the shot.

“If someone beats our guy, I’ll always be down there trying to help, trying to protect the rim,” Zubac said.

“He’s not one of those guys who cares about getting dunked on or anything,” Beverley added. “Pressure from me and Shai, send them to Zu, Zu cleaning up.”

The Clippers’ Garrett Temple has played for eight teams in his nine NBA seasons and defended alongside Tim Duncan, Marc Gasol and Andrew Bogut — all elite rim-protectors and perennial Defensive Player of the Year candidates (Gasol won the award in 2012-13).

Though he’s quick to admit Zubac isn’t close to that level of defending yet — Temple pointed out that Zubac can still improve his communication and defensive rebounding — he sees the kernels of a dominant defensive presence.

“His verticality is the biggest thing,” Temple said. “He’s 7-foot-1. He’s got a pretty good amount of girth to him, too. Being able to go straight up and be vertical. Then, getting his hands on passes. Having active hands when they try to pass and stuff like that.

“His verticality is something you can’t teach.”

All things considered, Zubac is at least a notch or two below Gobert, Embiid, Anthony Davis and a few other elite rim-protectors.

But opponents are shooting just 52.9 percent against him at the rim, which is the eighth-best percentage in the NBA, and ahead of leading Defensive Player of the Year candidates such as Gobert, Embiid and Myles Turner. His Clipper average of 0.8 blocks per game pales in comparison to those three centers, but shooting percentage allowed at the rim is arguably a better indicator of a true protector.

Zubac’s ability to wall off incoming defenders — either standing pat and sticking his arms straight up, or jumping slightly under the verticality rules, à la Roy Hibbert several years ago — makes it difficult for incoming opponents, including both larger players and the game’s finishers, to score when he’s in the vicinity.

“It’s great to have a guy you can funnel (players) to and you like your chances,” Temple said. “He’s one of those guys.”
At this point, a few things are holding Zubac back from becoming more of a household defensive name.

First: Montrezl Harrell, his teammate. For as good as Zubac has been, Harrell is a much better offensive player, which is why Harrell (26.5 minutes per game) plays more than Zubac (20.3). As long as Harrell is ahead of him in the team’s hierarchy, Zubac’s role will be limited — even as the starter — and Harrell will close games.

Second: Zubac continues to foul too much, with an average of 5.0 per 36 minutes this season. Part of that comes with the territory. If he’s going to contest shots and try to block some, he’s going to pick up fouls. As he gains more game experience, he should find himself in foul trouble less frequently.

With the NBA shifting out to the perimeter more each season, plodding big men such as Zubac are put in more uncomfortable and foreign defensive situations, which can also lead to reaching and, thus, more fouling. Zubac’s conditioning can also use some improvement. He appears gassed after five- to six-minute stretches and needs to get in better shape this summer.

Finally, in the short term, Zubac is battling injuries to both hands. In his right (and dominant) hand, he has hyperextended tendons. In his left hand, he has a fractured bone in his middle finger. He is gutting it out and playing through the injuries, but they have clearly affected his play.

The effects have been more obvious on offense, where he has dropped passes, blown dunks and layups, and bricked jump shots by several feet. It’s been easier for him to hide his limitations defensively, but it’s manifested in him struggling to corral rebounds at times. Even so, Zubac leads all Clippers in defensive rebounding percentage including Harrell, Gortat and Marjanovic — and the team has rebounded better with him on the floor.

That’s what makes Zubac’s defensive impact even more impressive. He’s been doing all of this at far from 100 percent. And that’s why the Lakers’ decision to give up on him is so confounding.

Much has been made of the Lakers’ motivations for trading Zubac for Mike Muscala. They apparently didn’t feel they could afford to re-sign Zubac this summer and decided it was smarter to flip him for an asset — targeting more shooting — than lose him for nothing, not unlike the way the Clippers operated with their Tobias Harris trade.



Opponents are shooting just 52.9 percent against Ivica Zubac at the rim. (Russ Isabella / USA TODAY Sports)
But in that deal, the Clippers received a massive haul of four draft picks (two first-rounders and two seconds), standout rookie Landry Shamet and Muscala (who was then flipped for Zubac) in exchange for Harris. They maximized Harris’ value. The Lakers did the opposite with Zubac. They received Muscala, who is worse than Zubac, nearly six years older and has barely played for the Lakers, falling out of the rotation in favor of younger alternatives like Moritz Wagner and Johnathan Williams.

The Lakers essentially lost Zubac for nothing, anyway, and would have been better served just keeping him.

If the Lakers have any defense of their nonsensical decision, it’s that even Zubac’s Clippers teammates, coaches and staffers have claim not to have been aware of how good he was before acquiring him.

“Hats off to Zu,” Beverley said. “I didn’t know Zu was that good until he came over here.”

That has been a common sentiment in Clipper Land.

Twenty-two-year-old 7-footers who can screen, roll, rim-run, finish, rebound and protect the paint are rare commodities, even in today’s perimeter-oriented game. Centers haven’t gone away yet. If anything, there’s been something of a center renaissance over the past few years, with a new batch of young 5s growing with and adapting to the game’s modern principles.

Whether Zubac is the Clippers’ long-term answer at center will be determined this offseason, and that depends on how he fares in his first postseason, how he develops his body, if he can extend more of his game to the perimeter on both ends and who the Clippers sign in free agency. At the very least, Zubac has the tools to be an elite backup center, and the Clippers now control his destiny as he enters restricted free agency this summer.

“He’s a big piece of what we’re trying to do over here,” Beverley said.

“We thank the Lakers. We appreciate it.”
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I live in the Tampa area now, so I get the Orlando Magic games. Seeing Thomas Bryant ball out hurt my soul last night. We had two good young Centers and gave them up, only to keep Javale McGee:martin:.

Literally had a C that could stretch the floor and another that could bang with the big bodies down low, both young and fairly cheap. :mjlol:
 

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I know its bytch at Bron/ front office time and both deserve some blame but here's a positive....


Kawhi joined lebron at his party in Toronto..... From what I read it.... could be bullshyt.... If not.....













Let the tampering begin......:mjlit:


Nah he wasnt there,it was Bron,Lonzo,Lance and javale...
 
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