A Discussion on The Left & The Working Class

Which 3 policies to win back the working class


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Liu Kang

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So in light of the Democrats L, it could be interesting to discuss about a phenomenon that has been happening in the West since the 2000s and the solutions the Left can find to earn back the votes of the working class.

Historically, the working class and the uneducated (I mean it in the no college degree sense) were people voting for the Left which promised them better working conditions for their menial jobs and protection from their employers/capitalists through unions.

The Left's strongholds were usually industrial cities where blue collar jobs were abondant and fed familes. The promise was to work hard so at the end, you could send your kids to college and be a homeowner.

With outsourcing manufacturing jobs to lower wages countries in Asia or North Africa and with more machinery and automation in industries, the need for workers also slowly but surely decreased leaving entire cities, even regions with higher unemployment and frustration with politicians.

The Rust Belt in the US, the Saxony region in Germany, the North in France, Liverpool in the UK have been hit hard by those 80s policies. The rise of China as the world's factory also made made outsourcing those jobs far more profitable. As well, with climate change, the West focused more on reducing its carbon footprints which manufacturing is heavy on.

And that social elevation for the working class became no more. These days, it is not won by the Left but by the Right. And often by its far wing while the Left often succeeds mostly thanks to educated/high middle class people.

So how can the Left win the working class back in these times of globalization ?


Discuss :jbhmm:

Hopefully my premise isn't too wrong :lupe:
 

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Democrats are losing due to white resentment and culture wars. We just have to admit what it is and stop being naive.

I'm all for economic populism but most white people just aren't going to vote for this type of stuff, no matter how you package it, if minorities also get it. Obamacare literally is hated just because it was passed by a black president.
 

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Democrats are losing due to white resentment and culture wars. We just have to admit what it is and stop being naive.

I'm all for economic populism but most white people just aren't going to vote for this type of stuff, no matter how you package it, if minorities also get it. Obamacare literally is hated just because it was passed by a black president.
I definitely agree, it's just feel like a lost cause that the Left should not abandon. Blue collar voters should be the Core of the Left electorate.

Do you think there's a path for Ds after this blowout loss, without this voting bloc ?
 

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I definitely agree, it's just feel like a lost cause that the Left should not abandon. Blue collar voters should be the Core of the Left electorate.

Do you think there's a path for Ds after this blowout loss, without this voting bloc ?
People want economic security. Focus on worker rights for all industries and skill level should be message. Not just DEI for the highly educated.

Biden fumbled on immigration because people link immigration with economic security.
 

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Democrats are losing due to white resentment and culture wars. We just have to admit what it is and stop being naive.

I'm all for economic populism but most white people just aren't going to vote for this type of stuff, no matter how you package it, if minorities also get it. Obamacare literally is hated just because it was passed by a black president.
I want people to explain why defending trans participation in sports is progressive
 

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Going on and on about this trans stuff is the definition of missing the forest for the trees.

It's about white/Christian supremacy.
Nope. You’re going to have to define what you stand for and it can’t be everything. We’ve lost enough and you’re not listening to what voters are saying.

The trans stuff indicates how moored to reality you are and what grounds you are willing to argue on in order to connect with others.

People wont listen to you as a serious person if you think boys can be girls.
 

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I see that you're saying, but Dems, liberals, progressives, Leftists have a major problem.

The "working class" doesn't have class consciousness.

Moreover, much like Latinos*, that aspect of their identity doesn't dominate their thoughts, much less their political thoughts.

*Unlike 85% of Black people, who are reminded of and kept down because of Blackness constantly and consistently, world wide.

LBJ/FDR type Democrats lost to Nixon/Reagan etc because "workers" have other "concerns". The New Deal and the Great Society, and those types of programs.

In the 80s, it was Communism. Then it was abortion. Now "wokeism". But honestly it's still a lot of anti Black racism.

Things that are good for workers, don't win elections.

Under Biden, wages went up ...
 

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Not sure a party funding death and destruction around the world, supported by the likes of Cheney etc. can be considered 'left'.

Much like in the UK, Labour are firmly in the centre-right and are almost indistinguishable from the Conservatives. To attribute their failings as a rejection of the left is bad faith analysis.
 

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I see that you're saying, but Dems, liberals, progressives, Leftists have a major problem.

The "working class" doesn't have class consciousness.

Moreover, much like Latinos*, that aspect of their identity doesn't dominate their thoughts, much less their political thoughts.

*Unlike 85% of Black people, who are reminded of and kept down because of Blackness constantly and consistently, world wide.

LBJ/FDR type Democrats lost to Nixon/Reagan etc because "workers" have other "concerns". The New Deal and the Great Society, and those types of programs.

In the 80s, it was Communism. Then it was abortion. Now "wokeism". But honestly it's still a lot of anti Black racism.

Things that are good for workers, don't win elections.

Under Biden, wages went up ...

Yeah, it's kind of frustrating that a lot of people just don't get this.

I'm progressive leaning on most policies myself, but people on the left are infuriatingly naive continually thinking they're going to win over these conservative white voters with economic policies. We've seen over and over that people will vote against their economic interest just to shyt on "the other".

I'd love to have true universal healthcare, but that's almost impossible to pass in ethnically diverse countries because people would rather go without than risk their taxes paying for the healthcare of a black person or immigrant. It shouldn't be that way, I hate that it's that way, but it is.
 

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I'm progressive leaning on most policies myself, but people on the left are infuriatingly naive continually thinking they're going to win over these conservative white voters with economic policies. We've seen over and over that people will vote against their economic interest just to shyt on "the other".

60 YEARS!!!!!!

The "Southern Strategy" has been popping since 1964. (and I don't want to get into Left Wing Whites being Racist against Left Wing Blacks...)

And for all of y'all playing word games about who's "really left" - y'all are part of the problem!!

We know that Clinton/Obama/Biden are all Neo-Liberals - the Dems kowtowed the Repubs post Reagan simply for POWER.

THAT IS A GIVEN IN THIS DISCUSSION.

If you on some Lenin/Marx/dead prez steez - YOU'RE NOT IN THE DISCUSSION.
 
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