Makes sense why he hates on Frank so much.fukk up trump supporter
A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread
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KnickstapeCity
RIP Big Dikk :wow: :mjcry:
I didn't even mention him first moron. Are you done begging for votes for poster of the year?
How many votes did you have, though?
Don’t talk to me, fakkit. I’m God-tier, and you’re a D-list level poster.
Hes in HL spouting alt right rhetoric
Don’t know if he’ll accept frank into the country since he’s an immigrant.
I was 2nd and I didn’t have to beg for votes last year
KnickstapeCity
RIP Big Dikk :wow: :mjcry:
Oh... a has-been.“I’ve seen budding careers, turn to sit around and talk about other careers, judging their peers.”
storyteller
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Here we are ladies and gentlemen...purgatory. The Knicks have made a habit of getting off to a hot enough start that the front office decides to focus on being a first round out instead of making the hard decision to blow it up. So we get to watch Jarrett Jack and Courtney Lee rocking with 5 minutes left in a game and the team down 17 points. One thing has been glaring lately, the Knicks front court can't keep up with athletic teams. Guys like Randle yesterday and Green in Memphis can feast utilizing effort and mobility while the Knicks bigs are struggling to even show to a ball handler because they can't keep up with their own man. The signs of life and excitement are fewer and farther between as we hopefully have begun showcasing guys (it's the only explanation I can come up with). This recap comes after I needed pretty much a week break because the Knicks have just been hard to watch. Catharsis is nice though, so let me pick out some standout numbers from last night's loss to illustrate the listless, awful efforts we've been subjected to lately. Ironically, it always takes me back to Hornacek's "this team won't quit" potshot at last year's roster.
KP: 4 rebounds in 28 minutes. Sure, he shot over 50% for a change and I think part of the efficiency was thanks to Tim Hardaway commanding a ton of attention (KP had an outburst in the third after Timmy knocked down some jumpers); but playing Power Forward at 7'3, KP's rebounding struggles since being separated from Robin Lopez have become an undeniable problem. 17 points and 4 rebounds from a player who just took to the media in anger about not being an allstar game starter...just not a good look.
Kanter: 14 boards, 4 TO's...the standout stats for Kanter illustrate that yesterday we got the best aspects of his game and worst aspects. Along with recent complaints about his playing time, Kanter's defense has dipped back to what it was before he got here. But the good aspects showed too. There were points in the game where it was Kanter vs three or four guys and he'd still get the board for a second opportunity. His 12 points were hard earned and as the Knicks rarely go to him anymore and he made a nice heads up kick out from the post that showed his passing hasn't declined with the defense. But he picked up TO's and didn't do anything to help our guards who got eaten alive by Clarkson and Caruso (you might be asking who the hell Caruso is...I'm pretty sure the Knicks players were while he cooked them).
THJ: 5/9 from three, no assists...Timmy was the spark for the Knicks that kept things within reach a while. He's red hot from three right now which makes losing so badly that much more alarming. KP did have a run of points immediately following Tim scoring a few in the third though and you can see how they open things up for each other. On the downside, Tim had zero assists in spite of being our best player at getting into the paint. He's not a pure playmaker but he's flashed some ability to create when defenses overplay him. To be worth his contract we'll need to give him opportunities to be a more dynamic player and he conversely needs to make something of them.
Jack: 10 assists, 3/11 from the field (0/4 from three)... at this point commenting on Jack's lack of defensive ability is beating a dead horse. As much as I complain about Kanter's defense and the bigs all around, I think Jack is the real weakest link. But he earns his check on offense and his 10 assists displayed his ability to pick out the right players. His efficacy on that end was muted however, by poor shooting. His midrange jumper wasn't there and he shot an unusually high number of three's which he isn't consistent at making even when he's wide open. More on this later though.
Lee: 16 points I guess...I guess because he honestly didn't stand out even as he had an efficient, nice scoring day. That will happen when the team gives up 127 points and you're known for defense. His numbers look good but his impact just wasn't felt the way that it should have been.
Frank: 3/4 from the field; Caruso's statline...Frank showed up in the first half with some real hunger and aggression. He shot confidently and it shows in his 3/4 shooting which includes a nice drive for a lay-up (something we're all watching for development on). He also looked the part of a playmaker with 3 assists in that early going. However, in the second half he played more offball and seemed to be in there for defense but his defense was a real let down. Normally Frank is aggressive even to a fault but he was giving up backdoor cuts and getting caught on screens across the lane. In the fourth quarter after getting bumped off of Clarkson on an inbounds play with 1 second to shoot, Frank quickly sat for Ron Baker turning a promising start to a disappointing close.
Baker: All those 0's; Ron Baker plays hard on defense and fights through screens which no one else was interested in doing yesterday...but he doesn't do a lot else. He had 1 board and 1 assist but everything else was a zero over 11 minutes. I love watching plays like the double-foul with Nance, because he's fighting through screens no matter how big the guy is. But he has to give us SOMETHING on the other end.
Doug: -20 for +/-; I wouldn't remember Doug being out there if not for him forcing some really rushed three pointers in the third quarter. When everyone else was canning three's in a game with no defense, Doug was forcing his shot to try and join the party. He ended up with 3 points and 2 assists in his 13 minutes out there but the team gave up 20 more points than it scored in that span. That is horrifying. A caveat though, the second unit was running some really odd rotations out there which kind of set them up to fail.
Lance: All those 0's; Lance got 9 minutes out there and wasn't very productive. That's all I've got.
Willy: 2's across the way; 2 boards, 2 points, 2 assists from Willy over 8 minutes where he played out of position 100% of the time. Willy got his time in light of Beasley's foul trouble but that meant Willy was filling in at PF instead of C. So we were running 2 Center line-ups for Willy's entire 8 minutes out there. He still managed to get some production and he looked okay when you consider how awkward the line-ups were when he got out there. If these are the opportunities he's going to get then it's hard to envision him thriving.
KOQ: The whole line, 14 minutes 6 pts, 2 ast, 2 reb, 2 blk, 1 stl, 4 TO's; Like Kanter, we got the good and bad of Kyle O'Quinn in this one. He scored, made nifty passes and while his rebounding was disappointing he did add some blocks and a steal to help out his overall impact. The negative is obvious with those 4 TO's in just 14 minutes and he, like Kanter, did the guards no favors with his help defense on screens. He typically drops pretty hard and then shows if the guard shoots but he was too far back or the screens were set to close to the rim for this to be effective. Nobody made adjustments to this, not the guards or the bigs or the coaches.
Beasley: 17 points and 5 fouls in 14 minutes; Beasley puts a full 30 minutes worth of numbers into 15 minutes of ball some nights. He scored a hype efficient 17 points yesterday but didn't add his usual rebounding bump to the mix and also picked up a lot of bad fouls. So Beasley mighta been in route to 30 if not for his foul trouble and he's running up the team foul totals to help the Lakers hit the line that much sooner. He's giving the Knicks needed scoring but in this one he didn't do much else right.
Burke: 4 pts, 4 ast in 7 minutes; In just 7 minutes, Trey Burke got himself some clean looks and got others good shots as well. He's similarly limited to Jarrett Jack on defense but he's also similarly effective playmaking if not even more effective. He's also 25 years old with a respectable three point shot, two more notches in his belt. The sooner the Knicks start slipping Burke more of Jack's minutes (not Frank, let the kid learn through his mistakes), the better off the team is LONG TERM.
Hornacek: If you need to showcase vets or find minutes for the youth I understand, but this game's rotations were awkward like a bad blind date. It might be best to pick one avenue to focus on and then switch it up after. Willy at the PF isn't helping anyone, Burke coming in at crunch time having played no minutes prior is asking a lot from newcomer and productive bench players like Doug and Frank have completely fallen off a cliff as the rotations have changed over and over...and over and over. This team had a philosophy of youth and defensive development heading into the season, but the youth have regressed from top to bottom and the defense has fallen so far off the cliff that it's hard to envision a fix that doesn't involve a trade. The constant changes and expanded bench suggests that Hornacek is asking the same questions I am, "how on Earth do we fix this" but I don't particularly approve of how he's gone about it. I did like that Willy even got a shot and while it only lasted a couple of minutes I LOVED the attempt to combine Burke and Ntilikina on the floor at once. I think that combo has real upside for the future. But right now it feels like Hornacek is losing the roster. Frank and Doug look confused; Lance and Ron are only contributing on one end; KP can't sustain his effort; Kanter and Beasley's defensive improvements from earlier are all but gone...the only guy who isn't showing ill effects is Tim Hardaway, maybe missing practice for a couple of months is his secret smfh.
KP: 4 rebounds in 28 minutes. Sure, he shot over 50% for a change and I think part of the efficiency was thanks to Tim Hardaway commanding a ton of attention (KP had an outburst in the third after Timmy knocked down some jumpers); but playing Power Forward at 7'3, KP's rebounding struggles since being separated from Robin Lopez have become an undeniable problem. 17 points and 4 rebounds from a player who just took to the media in anger about not being an allstar game starter...just not a good look.
Kanter: 14 boards, 4 TO's...the standout stats for Kanter illustrate that yesterday we got the best aspects of his game and worst aspects. Along with recent complaints about his playing time, Kanter's defense has dipped back to what it was before he got here. But the good aspects showed too. There were points in the game where it was Kanter vs three or four guys and he'd still get the board for a second opportunity. His 12 points were hard earned and as the Knicks rarely go to him anymore and he made a nice heads up kick out from the post that showed his passing hasn't declined with the defense. But he picked up TO's and didn't do anything to help our guards who got eaten alive by Clarkson and Caruso (you might be asking who the hell Caruso is...I'm pretty sure the Knicks players were while he cooked them).
THJ: 5/9 from three, no assists...Timmy was the spark for the Knicks that kept things within reach a while. He's red hot from three right now which makes losing so badly that much more alarming. KP did have a run of points immediately following Tim scoring a few in the third though and you can see how they open things up for each other. On the downside, Tim had zero assists in spite of being our best player at getting into the paint. He's not a pure playmaker but he's flashed some ability to create when defenses overplay him. To be worth his contract we'll need to give him opportunities to be a more dynamic player and he conversely needs to make something of them.
Jack: 10 assists, 3/11 from the field (0/4 from three)... at this point commenting on Jack's lack of defensive ability is beating a dead horse. As much as I complain about Kanter's defense and the bigs all around, I think Jack is the real weakest link. But he earns his check on offense and his 10 assists displayed his ability to pick out the right players. His efficacy on that end was muted however, by poor shooting. His midrange jumper wasn't there and he shot an unusually high number of three's which he isn't consistent at making even when he's wide open. More on this later though.
Lee: 16 points I guess...I guess because he honestly didn't stand out even as he had an efficient, nice scoring day. That will happen when the team gives up 127 points and you're known for defense. His numbers look good but his impact just wasn't felt the way that it should have been.
Frank: 3/4 from the field; Caruso's statline...Frank showed up in the first half with some real hunger and aggression. He shot confidently and it shows in his 3/4 shooting which includes a nice drive for a lay-up (something we're all watching for development on). He also looked the part of a playmaker with 3 assists in that early going. However, in the second half he played more offball and seemed to be in there for defense but his defense was a real let down. Normally Frank is aggressive even to a fault but he was giving up backdoor cuts and getting caught on screens across the lane. In the fourth quarter after getting bumped off of Clarkson on an inbounds play with 1 second to shoot, Frank quickly sat for Ron Baker turning a promising start to a disappointing close.
Baker: All those 0's; Ron Baker plays hard on defense and fights through screens which no one else was interested in doing yesterday...but he doesn't do a lot else. He had 1 board and 1 assist but everything else was a zero over 11 minutes. I love watching plays like the double-foul with Nance, because he's fighting through screens no matter how big the guy is. But he has to give us SOMETHING on the other end.
Doug: -20 for +/-; I wouldn't remember Doug being out there if not for him forcing some really rushed three pointers in the third quarter. When everyone else was canning three's in a game with no defense, Doug was forcing his shot to try and join the party. He ended up with 3 points and 2 assists in his 13 minutes out there but the team gave up 20 more points than it scored in that span. That is horrifying. A caveat though, the second unit was running some really odd rotations out there which kind of set them up to fail.
Lance: All those 0's; Lance got 9 minutes out there and wasn't very productive. That's all I've got.
Willy: 2's across the way; 2 boards, 2 points, 2 assists from Willy over 8 minutes where he played out of position 100% of the time. Willy got his time in light of Beasley's foul trouble but that meant Willy was filling in at PF instead of C. So we were running 2 Center line-ups for Willy's entire 8 minutes out there. He still managed to get some production and he looked okay when you consider how awkward the line-ups were when he got out there. If these are the opportunities he's going to get then it's hard to envision him thriving.
KOQ: The whole line, 14 minutes 6 pts, 2 ast, 2 reb, 2 blk, 1 stl, 4 TO's; Like Kanter, we got the good and bad of Kyle O'Quinn in this one. He scored, made nifty passes and while his rebounding was disappointing he did add some blocks and a steal to help out his overall impact. The negative is obvious with those 4 TO's in just 14 minutes and he, like Kanter, did the guards no favors with his help defense on screens. He typically drops pretty hard and then shows if the guard shoots but he was too far back or the screens were set to close to the rim for this to be effective. Nobody made adjustments to this, not the guards or the bigs or the coaches.
Beasley: 17 points and 5 fouls in 14 minutes; Beasley puts a full 30 minutes worth of numbers into 15 minutes of ball some nights. He scored a hype efficient 17 points yesterday but didn't add his usual rebounding bump to the mix and also picked up a lot of bad fouls. So Beasley mighta been in route to 30 if not for his foul trouble and he's running up the team foul totals to help the Lakers hit the line that much sooner. He's giving the Knicks needed scoring but in this one he didn't do much else right.
Burke: 4 pts, 4 ast in 7 minutes; In just 7 minutes, Trey Burke got himself some clean looks and got others good shots as well. He's similarly limited to Jarrett Jack on defense but he's also similarly effective playmaking if not even more effective. He's also 25 years old with a respectable three point shot, two more notches in his belt. The sooner the Knicks start slipping Burke more of Jack's minutes (not Frank, let the kid learn through his mistakes), the better off the team is LONG TERM.
Hornacek: If you need to showcase vets or find minutes for the youth I understand, but this game's rotations were awkward like a bad blind date. It might be best to pick one avenue to focus on and then switch it up after. Willy at the PF isn't helping anyone, Burke coming in at crunch time having played no minutes prior is asking a lot from newcomer and productive bench players like Doug and Frank have completely fallen off a cliff as the rotations have changed over and over...and over and over. This team had a philosophy of youth and defensive development heading into the season, but the youth have regressed from top to bottom and the defense has fallen so far off the cliff that it's hard to envision a fix that doesn't involve a trade. The constant changes and expanded bench suggests that Hornacek is asking the same questions I am, "how on Earth do we fix this" but I don't particularly approve of how he's gone about it. I did like that Willy even got a shot and while it only lasted a couple of minutes I LOVED the attempt to combine Burke and Ntilikina on the floor at once. I think that combo has real upside for the future. But right now it feels like Hornacek is losing the roster. Frank and Doug look confused; Lance and Ron are only contributing on one end; KP can't sustain his effort; Kanter and Beasley's defensive improvements from earlier are all but gone...the only guy who isn't showing ill effects is Tim Hardaway, maybe missing practice for a couple of months is his secret smfh.
With the way we've been playnig turnstile defense... I expect a blood bath entering the 3rd quarter.
storyteller
Veteran
Of all the rumors possible...we're being linked to KCP as a potential FA acquisition according to Bondy. I still hold out hope for dude's potential but he doesn't fit our roster or needs.
Ironman
#Knickstape
Youhadasparkwhenustarted
Superstar
That would be a strange acquisition. It makes sense if they're planning to move Lee soon( I hope so) but still, does that mean they see Hardaway as a sf longterm?
Speaking of trades, its time to get something for Lee and Kanter while you can. Clear up that logjam and let Willy and Dotson play finally. Its ridiculous that the Knicks are putting Willy at pf in an effort to get him pt.
The War Report
NewNewYork
KCP is a chucking ass scrub.
qnsfinest
Superstar
147-103 beat down on the way. Expect one of the warriors players to drop a 50 piece on us.
And why the fukk would we be involved in trade talks for KCP??? I know it’s an expiring contract but the lakers are not making a playoff push so who could we possibly give them in return?
seemorecizzy
Superstar
Wake me up when we go after real players
