knickscity
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If the Knicks were to trade a pick, Noah would have to be included. Even then, I would probably still say no.
A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread
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seemorecizzy
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Willy needs to go man
storyteller
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He's 23 years old, off the all rookie team and makes 1.5 million dollars per for the next couple of seasons. There's no reason to trade him unless some kinda value is coming back. Not when KOQ and Kanter are both potentially expiring.
seemorecizzy
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I want value back ofcourse
We are clearly gonna re sign kanter
Probably letting oquinn walk
We should be looking to trade players like lee and Willy for young players and draft picks
Willy hasn't done anything to warrant such loyalty
He played well last year in garbage time
Who cares
His game is weird and awkward
storyteller
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Not my scoop, but a trusted voice at Realgm said he's gotten signs that there won't be much interest in extending Kanter should he opt out. Same guy said KOQ is wanted back but at price range of 8-10 per year max. Take it with a grain of salt, but it's a reliable person that kicked this information out.
I agree on Lee. Not trading Willy has nothing to do with false sense of loyalty, it's just smart to keep him. You have a 23 year old developing big that just made the all-rookie team and he's completely cost controlled. Gather all of the contracts leaguewide worth 1.5 million dollars per year over the next 2 and a half seasons or more...I'd bet that Willy is the most talented of the bunch. You don't get serviceable players that cheap unless they're aged or have baggage. Willy's making 12th man money and even his biggest haters could admit that the guy can play back-up minutes
Garbage time comment is false.
In January 15 mpg, 6 ppg, 7 rpg 49% from the field.
In February 26 mpg 11 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 2 apg, 1 steal and 1 block 57% from the field with 5 starts out of 10 games that month.
In March 22 mpg 11 ppg, 9.3 rpg 53% from the field with 9 starts in 13 games.
There aren't 15-20 minutes of garbage time in games. Especially not in January and February. He was productive period. There are no caveats to it. He played well. The arguments against the kid are that he can't outplay Kanter or KOQ this year, but I'll repeat to really sell this now that his numbers are up; Willy is 23 years old and makes 1.5 million dollars until the 2020 playoffs are over. You don't get minutes and production like those totals in Jan, Feb and March for 1.5 million dollars and you especially don't expect it from somebody that still could develop and mature. At the minimum, you don't just move the guy for space. If he's on the move, it better be for a first rounder with limited protections if any because you can replace him but not at that price tag. If you're determined to trade him, you give him the minutes to produce and trade him when he has real value. Not at a point where teams see a chance to grab him for spare parts and garbage. He was a 10 and 10 player at points in the season where teams weren't throwing games yet.
Someone who dapped you screenname is their phone number.seemorecizzy
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We never gonna improve the team if we hold on to every player who shows even a glimmer of talent
I don't see the hype about Willy
I don't care how much he makes
He can't get playing time over Kyle oquinn kanter and sometimes noah
That's all that needs to be said
Willy and kp front court isnt something i can envision as a championship starting front. I fear that the longer he plays, the more he'll get exposed
Youhadasparkwhenustarted
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I wouldnt mind Kyle back at 8-10 million, and when you think about it, only a handful of teams are gonna have a capsace this offseason, and most of them wont need a center, so getting Kyle back at that salary seems feasible.
storyteller
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When have we been shy about trading or letting players who show a glimmer of talent go? We dealt THJ away as a sophomore (and then had to pay a premium bringing him back because of bird rights), we dealt Jerian Grant as a sophomore, go back further and we dealt Ariza for the corpse of Steve Francis, Channing Frye saw the door too and of course the Melo trade was a package of younger promising but not great players; just look at how few rookies we've signed to second contracts over the years. This franchise's problem hasn't been hanging on to its youth for too long; it's always been impatience and chasing quick fixes (I'd add poor development of youth too considering how much growth THJ showed in ATL after regressing with us). Dealing Willy on a completely cap friendly contract at his lowest value point is basically what hasn't been working for us repeated.
Willy doesn't need hype. He doesn't need to be a championship starter. He's making 1.5 million dollars and if you care about winning a championship you SHOULD care about that. Because getting a serviceable back up whose only ever averaged a double-double in months that he gets above 20 mpg at 1.5 million dollars a season leaves you 106.5 million dollars to fill out the rest of the rotation. Whereas Kanter is commanding 10 times that figure to...average a double double in around 25 mpg and KOQ is looking at a raise after this season. Even if you let Willy rot all season, you have a back-up which means you're not forced to overpay KOQ or stress whether or not Kanter will opt-in.
As far as getting exposed with more PT...all I can do is point to every time he's gotten consistent significant minutes. He improved his value in those cases so far. Could he have regressed? Sure, but we've got months of strong performances that suggest we could at minimum boost his value for the trade market by letting him play. That's not a call to play him even, it just means, don't sell low on an asset that isn't hurting your cap space and could see his role improve organically should KOQ or Kanter walk in the offseason (or both).
It's not about Willy being a championship player, it's about using assets wisely and being mindful of the cap implications hidden behind the moves.
Edit: And as much as I hate on Ainge and Morey and their ilk constantly asking for obnoxious returns on their assets no matter how nominal, it also means that they almost always win their trades and end up in a better position. Patience pays especially with young cats on sweetheart deals even if they're not allstar upside types.
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RIP Big Dikk :wow: :mjcry:
:philjacksonlol: Nah... Those are New York City area codes, dumbass. Not a phone number.
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seemorecizzy
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i think willy isnt good so i want to trade him while people still think hes a commodity
you think willy is good, so you wanna keep him around
ofcourse is hes good, hes coming at a bargain
but hes also a bargain for other teams who may consider giving us a first rounder for him
hopefully if we keep him, your right. i just want to improve the team
and nah, only gm in recent memory who traded away actual good players with plans for the future was donnie walsh
storyteller
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I don't think Willy even has to be good to warrant a 1.5 million dollar contract. Serviceable is better than most 1.5 million dollar players, the higher he goes from there the better. For a first rounder I'd consider moving him but who is gonna offer that for a player that's been benched all year? I think the reason he has so much interest is because teams see a cheap get with some upside. Even if he didn't work out, he's harmless to cap space (dude is making 1/3 what Ron Baker is making yearly).
As far as trading away players, I don't think the Knicks have re-signed a rookie since Ward if I'm not mistaken. I'd need some examples of them hanging on to guys too long to see what you're getting at because all I can think of rookies that we dealt or didn't match contracts on.
