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A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread
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How wild is it that we badly miss Hardaway’s annoying, overpaid ass?? 
Did KP party his ass off on New Year’s Eve or what? His “tired” ass needs to stay here in NY for the month because he can’t get position against a shooting guard, and was just taking up space in the 4th and OT. Could’ve had the win easily with a better effort from him tonight.
Did KP party his ass off on New Year’s Eve or what? His “tired” ass needs to stay here in NY for the month because he can’t get position against a shooting guard, and was just taking up space in the 4th and OT. Could’ve had the win easily with a better effort from him tonight.
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qnsfinest
Superstar
Say fam, I keep hearing about the wolves or the city not being happy with wiggins. Would we be open to trade with them preferably at the end of the season so we don’t fukk up the tank. That will definitely address our need for a wing player
Wiggins is gonna get 25 mil a yr for 5 seasons. Say we trade noah/lee for wiggins, shyt throw in a 2019 protected pick. I definitely expect us to be in the playoffs next yr with wiggins, KP and hopefully a top 5 pick.
PG- Frank
SG- Timmy
SF- Wiggins
PF- KP
C- bagley/ayton/bamba
Wiggins is gonna get 25 mil a yr for 5 seasons. Say we trade noah/lee for wiggins, shyt throw in a 2019 protected pick. I definitely expect us to be in the playoffs next yr with wiggins, KP and hopefully a top 5 pick.
PG- Frank
SG- Timmy
SF- Wiggins
PF- KP
C- bagley/ayton/bamba
seemorecizzy
Superstar
son was obviously smashing mulitple snow bunnies on new years eveHow wild is it that we badly miss Hardaway’s annoying, overpaid ass??
Did KP party his ass off on New Year’s Eve or what? His “tired” ass needs to stay here in NY for the month because he can’t get position against a shooting guard, and was just taking up space in the 4th and OT. Could’ve had the win easily with a better effort from him tonight.
but he could never get in position against smaller players
that boy weak
Illified infinitely
Banned
Kp is still such a kid. The shyt he says. His demanor. His attitude completely reflective of how he is playing. He don’t got than zen or wolf mentality yet. He got that switch all elite ballers have he just can’t turn it on at will yet. He is still a kid. He will get so much better
ogc163
Superstar
let's get the tank started
GetInTheTruck
Member
Time to tank....for real this time, fukk all the bullshyt.
storyteller
Veteran
Well, it was Friday Night and the Knicks got Robert Randolph'ed. The curse of the Friday Night Knicks is well established, so a trash talking Beasley spraining his ankle was more suprising in that it took all game to happen. Leaving superstition behind, we've hit a point where I spend most of the first quarter waiting for the bench to come in. I watch KP surrounded by four guys that will only be here in a couple of years if we can't move them and wonder what the purpose is. This team is 2-8 over it's last 10 and outside of a 4 game winning streak against the dregs of the league, they've been struggling since early November. KP is tired, THJ is out and the team looks less like a playoff squad every day. The bench though...the bench has some serviceable role players, our lottery pick PG who doubles as our best on ball defender and a lot less isolation basketball. To illustrate this, everyone on the bench had a positive +/- last night while every starter was a negative. Time to vent...P.S. I'm going long on the guys we care about
KP: Close your eyes, repeat after me...Timmy has been replaced by Lance Thomas and Porzingis is only 22 years old. With alarmist headlines such as "scouts fear KP is only Pau Gasol" it feels like the tide is turning hard on him...as if having a floor of Pau "multiple championship winning HOF player" Gasol at 22 years old is a negative. But we should be fair; KP's rebounding lately has been inexcusable. I counted three second half offensive boards he gave up from superior positioning, that means he got outworked. His shot is off and his attempts are down. There are a lot of variables at play, but exhaustion seems like the Occam's Razor because this drop off has been routine for three seasons now. That's not a valid excuse for a franchise piece to fall off so hard in December/January. The silver lining? KP's interior presence on defense shines nightly and while he still loses men when they stretch the floor at times, I think there's a palpable improvement to his defense. No better example of that came than when Goran Dragic tried to take him with dribble drives into ball fakes, KP kept his feet and forced a TO. The only way to beat KP on defense right now is to get space to shoot or to be both strong enough and tall enough to beat him in the post which is rare in today's NBA.
37 minutes, 15 pts, 7 boards, 3 blocks, 2 TO's...those three boards I mentioned would have given him a double double and more reason for optimism. The 5/14 shooting is pretty scary because this has been happening a lot lately. He did drive to the basket early which I appreciated a LOT. Late in the game, pick and rolls where he dove toward the hoop were the most effective offense we've had from him in weeks. It wasn't done frequently but it got him pull-ups inside of fifteen feet or lay-up attempts. Enough pick and slips...make him a roll man more often.
Lee: 40 minutes, 24 pts, 3 boards, 1 ast and 4 TO's. He was 9/16 from the field and sprinkled in better defense than most. But the ball is in his hands way too much for 1 assist, especially as he gets pick and roll opportunities. If the guy can't make an entry pass or quick decision when the switch happens, than his success is at the detriment of ball movement.
Kanter: It'd be interesting for Jeff to at least TRY to find a way to get Kanter out there when we're aching for buckets. Yes, his defense is subpar but he's a real post-up threat and when the team is missing this is the guy that will get extra opportunities. 14 pts, 8 boards, 2 steals and 2 blocks over 25 minutes on the floor...he's productive while he's out there but can't seem to stay out there.
Lance: 1 pt, 2 boards, 1 block and 1 steal with 2 TO's, no field goals and 28 minutes of "stop wasting my time." His shining moment was a complimentary tweet they read at halftime...yuck.
Jack: 8 pts, 5 asts and a steal in 34 minutes. He was 4/12, had 3 TO's and his defense is on permanent FML. On pick and rolls, he's more likely to take a long midrange jumper than dive into the paint or create for the big lately. If he's guarding the ball handler, I'm hoping for a switch with a wing because we're better off on pick and roll defense with anyone but Jack getting screened. He used his entire Turbo bar in the third quarter and was pretty good there, kept us in it, but for 3 other quarters and OT it was more bad than good.
Doug: He hit 2/4 from three including the shot to force OT, that's promising after his shooting struggles lately. 9 pts and 2 boards in 24 minutes; as a cheap role player, I'd keep him around.
Beas: He continues to put up outlandish production for the time he's out there. 23 minutes of play, 20 pts, 10 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals and 2 TO's on 8/11 shooting. If the sprain ankle doesn't affect him, he has a shot to be sixth man of the year with the way he has played since KP's last injury break. That said, he hurt himself running backwards to look at the opposing bench after a make. He always has a few weird rotations on defense. Also, for some reason he and Doug have no real chemistry yet...One's a slasher and the other is a cutter that can shoot, that's a match made in heaven for skillsets but they don't mesh well on either end of the floor somehow.
Frank: Are the Knicks giving him more pick and rolls? He hit KOQ on the roll quite a few times where O'Quinn would pull up instead of diving hard...so less assists for Frank than he could have had with say a Kanter or a KP as that option. But he also struggled scoring and kept going to KOQ in spite of the lack of success. 2 pts, 4 assists, a beauty of a block and 1 TO in 25 minutes. His defense stands out enough to make up for the lesser productivity on the box score imo but it's debatable I'll admit. The fact that he did make attempts in the paint, did find KOQ rolling and was a positive sum player all shows promise. KP is 22 and I'm preaching patience, this kid is 19 so you know damned well what I have to say. Let him grow, let him learn and be patient.
Baker: 12 minutes for 1 board and 2 steals. He played good defense and didn't do much else. But good defense at the 1 and 2 was a big reason for the second unit having success. Either way, he's not living up to 4.5 million a season which isn't even a lot of money.
KOQ: Like Frank, the big thing for KOQ is that he looks a lot better on defense than the starter in front of him. Kanter is slow on rotations just off footspeed and KOQ has a bit more mobility. Offensively, dude struggles at times inside but has flashed midrange jumpers lately that are opening up his game a bit...and the big man can really pass. 10 pts, 3 boards, 1 assist on 4/9 from the field in a 17 minute run. He was a positive on the night but damn I wish he'd catch the ball on pick and roll dives without slowing up his momentum before he rises.
Hornacek: 40 seconds are left in regulation and Beasley steps to the free throw line for a chance to tie and then take the lead. Lance Thomas approaches the scorer's table and I think "great, a smart defensive substitution...get one stop and we're in the driver's seat." Then Lance checked in for Frank instead of Jarrett Jack. The incoherence of Horny's decision-making illustrated perfectly. It's not just that though, amid a 2-8 skid with KP struggling mightily; Jeff refuses to switch things up to try and help. KP wasn't the shooter to close out regulation, but he did grab an offensive board and make the key pass to force OT. So in OT when that situation rose again, Courteny Lee got the shot. KP clutch, Lee ineffective in these situations all season; Jeff throwing curveballs again. This more and more feels like a team that was being propelled by the play of KP and THJ in spite rather than because of coaching. Another wrinkle here; the Knicks made 5 out of 13 three point attempts on the night. Wayne Ellington made 6/16 three point attempts. With KP facing constant doubles and defenses focused so much inside, the fact that the Knicks are barely attempting three's is doubly painful.
On the Rotations: With the Knicks looking more and more ISO heavy, it feels like a move toward a grinding defensive identity would be more effective. You're slowing the game down with isolations, stops will drive some fast break buckets. To truly establish that though, they'll need someone up top that can actually guard the ball handler. The offense isn't pretty whether Jack is handling the rock or not. The defense though...looks LOT better when Frank is at the top of key. 2-8 over their last 10 games, there aren't excuses to avoid change when the team is losing like that. Jeff tried starting Doug and Beasley over Lance...none of the three made a big difference. The next move is Frank over Jack.
KP: Close your eyes, repeat after me...Timmy has been replaced by Lance Thomas and Porzingis is only 22 years old. With alarmist headlines such as "scouts fear KP is only Pau Gasol" it feels like the tide is turning hard on him...as if having a floor of Pau "multiple championship winning HOF player" Gasol at 22 years old is a negative. But we should be fair; KP's rebounding lately has been inexcusable. I counted three second half offensive boards he gave up from superior positioning, that means he got outworked. His shot is off and his attempts are down. There are a lot of variables at play, but exhaustion seems like the Occam's Razor because this drop off has been routine for three seasons now. That's not a valid excuse for a franchise piece to fall off so hard in December/January. The silver lining? KP's interior presence on defense shines nightly and while he still loses men when they stretch the floor at times, I think there's a palpable improvement to his defense. No better example of that came than when Goran Dragic tried to take him with dribble drives into ball fakes, KP kept his feet and forced a TO. The only way to beat KP on defense right now is to get space to shoot or to be both strong enough and tall enough to beat him in the post which is rare in today's NBA.
37 minutes, 15 pts, 7 boards, 3 blocks, 2 TO's...those three boards I mentioned would have given him a double double and more reason for optimism. The 5/14 shooting is pretty scary because this has been happening a lot lately. He did drive to the basket early which I appreciated a LOT. Late in the game, pick and rolls where he dove toward the hoop were the most effective offense we've had from him in weeks. It wasn't done frequently but it got him pull-ups inside of fifteen feet or lay-up attempts. Enough pick and slips...make him a roll man more often.
Lee: 40 minutes, 24 pts, 3 boards, 1 ast and 4 TO's. He was 9/16 from the field and sprinkled in better defense than most. But the ball is in his hands way too much for 1 assist, especially as he gets pick and roll opportunities. If the guy can't make an entry pass or quick decision when the switch happens, than his success is at the detriment of ball movement.
Kanter: It'd be interesting for Jeff to at least TRY to find a way to get Kanter out there when we're aching for buckets. Yes, his defense is subpar but he's a real post-up threat and when the team is missing this is the guy that will get extra opportunities. 14 pts, 8 boards, 2 steals and 2 blocks over 25 minutes on the floor...he's productive while he's out there but can't seem to stay out there.
Lance: 1 pt, 2 boards, 1 block and 1 steal with 2 TO's, no field goals and 28 minutes of "stop wasting my time." His shining moment was a complimentary tweet they read at halftime...yuck.
Jack: 8 pts, 5 asts and a steal in 34 minutes. He was 4/12, had 3 TO's and his defense is on permanent FML. On pick and rolls, he's more likely to take a long midrange jumper than dive into the paint or create for the big lately. If he's guarding the ball handler, I'm hoping for a switch with a wing because we're better off on pick and roll defense with anyone but Jack getting screened. He used his entire Turbo bar in the third quarter and was pretty good there, kept us in it, but for 3 other quarters and OT it was more bad than good.
Doug: He hit 2/4 from three including the shot to force OT, that's promising after his shooting struggles lately. 9 pts and 2 boards in 24 minutes; as a cheap role player, I'd keep him around.
Beas: He continues to put up outlandish production for the time he's out there. 23 minutes of play, 20 pts, 10 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals and 2 TO's on 8/11 shooting. If the sprain ankle doesn't affect him, he has a shot to be sixth man of the year with the way he has played since KP's last injury break. That said, he hurt himself running backwards to look at the opposing bench after a make. He always has a few weird rotations on defense. Also, for some reason he and Doug have no real chemistry yet...One's a slasher and the other is a cutter that can shoot, that's a match made in heaven for skillsets but they don't mesh well on either end of the floor somehow.
Frank: Are the Knicks giving him more pick and rolls? He hit KOQ on the roll quite a few times where O'Quinn would pull up instead of diving hard...so less assists for Frank than he could have had with say a Kanter or a KP as that option. But he also struggled scoring and kept going to KOQ in spite of the lack of success. 2 pts, 4 assists, a beauty of a block and 1 TO in 25 minutes. His defense stands out enough to make up for the lesser productivity on the box score imo but it's debatable I'll admit. The fact that he did make attempts in the paint, did find KOQ rolling and was a positive sum player all shows promise. KP is 22 and I'm preaching patience, this kid is 19 so you know damned well what I have to say. Let him grow, let him learn and be patient.
Baker: 12 minutes for 1 board and 2 steals. He played good defense and didn't do much else. But good defense at the 1 and 2 was a big reason for the second unit having success. Either way, he's not living up to 4.5 million a season which isn't even a lot of money.
KOQ: Like Frank, the big thing for KOQ is that he looks a lot better on defense than the starter in front of him. Kanter is slow on rotations just off footspeed and KOQ has a bit more mobility. Offensively, dude struggles at times inside but has flashed midrange jumpers lately that are opening up his game a bit...and the big man can really pass. 10 pts, 3 boards, 1 assist on 4/9 from the field in a 17 minute run. He was a positive on the night but damn I wish he'd catch the ball on pick and roll dives without slowing up his momentum before he rises.
Hornacek: 40 seconds are left in regulation and Beasley steps to the free throw line for a chance to tie and then take the lead. Lance Thomas approaches the scorer's table and I think "great, a smart defensive substitution...get one stop and we're in the driver's seat." Then Lance checked in for Frank instead of Jarrett Jack. The incoherence of Horny's decision-making illustrated perfectly. It's not just that though, amid a 2-8 skid with KP struggling mightily; Jeff refuses to switch things up to try and help. KP wasn't the shooter to close out regulation, but he did grab an offensive board and make the key pass to force OT. So in OT when that situation rose again, Courteny Lee got the shot. KP clutch, Lee ineffective in these situations all season; Jeff throwing curveballs again. This more and more feels like a team that was being propelled by the play of KP and THJ in spite rather than because of coaching. Another wrinkle here; the Knicks made 5 out of 13 three point attempts on the night. Wayne Ellington made 6/16 three point attempts. With KP facing constant doubles and defenses focused so much inside, the fact that the Knicks are barely attempting three's is doubly painful.
On the Rotations: With the Knicks looking more and more ISO heavy, it feels like a move toward a grinding defensive identity would be more effective. You're slowing the game down with isolations, stops will drive some fast break buckets. To truly establish that though, they'll need someone up top that can actually guard the ball handler. The offense isn't pretty whether Jack is handling the rock or not. The defense though...looks LOT better when Frank is at the top of key. 2-8 over their last 10 games, there aren't excuses to avoid change when the team is losing like that. Jeff tried starting Doug and Beasley over Lance...none of the three made a big difference. The next move is Frank over Jack.
storyteller
Veteran
I doubt we could dump that much salary AND pick up a Wiggins type. I'd do it just off the strength of moving Noah, but only if we could put protections on the pick and if we had a top 5 pick. Since I don't think we can find a taker for Noah; I think the more prudent moves would be to move what we can to stock up on picks. Grab as much cost-controlled talent as possible while we wait for some of the albatross contracts to expire and youngsters to come into their own. Then make a FA splash after we've built a core through the draft.
KnickstapeCity
RIP Big Dikk :wow: :mjcry:
:philjacksonlol: Brehs, I need y’all to go out there and a support a nikka.
:philjacksonlol: That Asian fakkit @Asianthoughts is talking shyt about a nikka, saying my own Knicks fam don’t support me and all that. So, I need y’all to go and vote for me.
Here’s the thread: The Official 2017 Poster Of The Year Award Nomination & Voting Thread (Poll open)
In advance, brehs... @Ironman @KologeroBx @Columbo @DPresidential @storyteller @ogc163 @GetInTheTruck @mbewane @Rev @Ironman @Danie84 @Typical NY Fan @seemorecizzy @Miles Davis @qnsfinest @jadden @puggle @K-Deini @ProlificLurker @OneManGang @BoogieDown23
:philjacksonlol: That Asian fakkit @Asianthoughts is talking shyt about a nikka, saying my own Knicks fam don’t support me and all that. So, I need y’all to go and vote for me.
Here’s the thread: The Official 2017 Poster Of The Year Award Nomination & Voting Thread (Poll open)
In advance, brehs... @Ironman @KologeroBx @Columbo @DPresidential @storyteller @ogc163 @GetInTheTruck @mbewane @Rev @Ironman @Danie84 @Typical NY Fan @seemorecizzy @Miles Davis @qnsfinest @jadden @puggle @K-Deini @ProlificLurker @OneManGang @BoogieDown23
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Of course Dolan donates to Trump he can relate to being a spoiled, fat, incompetent loser whose only real achievement is coming out his evil father's nut sack and then failing upward.
Trump is Dolan's soul brother..... or at least whatever they have that is a placeholder for a soul.
fukking fat cornballs got to stick together cause no one else likes them.
Trump is Dolan's soul brother..... or at least whatever they have that is a placeholder for a soul.
fukking fat cornballs got to stick together cause no one else likes them.
And cats will continue to support this fat, flabby c0cksucker & his team.
Columbo
Lieutenant
Link me to one of his posts, i cant seem to find any of his posts:philjacksonlol: Brehs, I need y’all to go out there and a support a nikka.
:philjacksonlol: That Asian fakkit @Asianthoughts is talking shyt about a nikka, saying my own Knicks fam don’t support me and all that. So, I need y’all to go and vote for me.
Here’s the thread: The Official 2017 Poster Of The Year Award Nomination & Voting Thread (Poll open)
But id be more then happy to neg that faggit for you breh
I'm sure OKC owners have #ImWithHer stickers on their cars
