Harleminthe80s
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Also I think some of could agree that considering this year and last. C. Lee shouldn’t be in the game for offense in the last min
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A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread
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ProlificLurker
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Yeah its starting to look like the tank is back on
Probably for the best long term.....but damn a Knick team contending for the playoffs was tantalizing to me.....so much for that
Jarrett Jack looked like a quivering mess when he went to the line for those free throws. I knew he wasn't gonna make 2. We haven't had a player able to go to the line and knock down important FT's with confidence since Jamal Crawford. I can't think of 1 player on this team that will knock down 2 with the game on the line. Maybe THjr but he ain't playing.
seemorecizzy
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its refreshing to come in and not see random shots at melo after games
perhaps some of yall are finally realizing we have bigger issues at hand
okc has won 12 out of the last 15 games and 6 in a row
they doing their own thing, we doing ours
anyway, we cant win road games
its becoming increasingly obvious and we starting to become a dumb team
the effort is there, but again, we are very young and lack the talent.
courtney lee should not be our go to guy in clutch situations
and KP is still learning how to deal with pressure situations
when things get tight, everyone freaks out and mistakes happen
beast almost got another 5 second violation
frank is...frank man, hopefully he develops but i just cant see it yet
hes just slow as fukk
role players play better at home then they do away.
i give this team about 2 weeks to show some signs AWAY FROM HOME, if not.
lets get rid of guys like lee, oquinn etc, and try and get some pieces back
then tank for a draft pick
road losses to atlanta and the bulls
perhaps some of yall are finally realizing we have bigger issues at hand
okc has won 12 out of the last 15 games and 6 in a row
they doing their own thing, we doing ours
anyway, we cant win road games
its becoming increasingly obvious and we starting to become a dumb team
the effort is there, but again, we are very young and lack the talent.
courtney lee should not be our go to guy in clutch situations
and KP is still learning how to deal with pressure situations
when things get tight, everyone freaks out and mistakes happen
beast almost got another 5 second violation
frank is...frank man, hopefully he develops but i just cant see it yet
hes just slow as fukk
role players play better at home then they do away.
i give this team about 2 weeks to show some signs AWAY FROM HOME, if not.
lets get rid of guys like lee, oquinn etc, and try and get some pieces back
then tank for a draft pick
road losses to atlanta and the bulls
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ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
Ain’t entirely his fault, nikkas don’t get open
And yeah Frank is slow this “untapped athletic potential” will make or break him
seemorecizzy
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Young and shook aint the excuse. They have vets around that are supposed to help these guys. Jarrett Jack been there, he was always great on the road in the past, he should be able to provide leadership even if its from the bench.
Remember that Hornacek got fired in Phoenix after losing 14 straight road games. You know how they say a team takes the personality of its coach? Well...
The Knicks only won two games away all year so far, and one was against BK which is a free extra home game. Knicks needed a trey.....and somehow Kanter ends up throwing one up.... How about put in your 3 point shooters so you dont have that happen? Any time after a timeout the Knicks did some boneheaded shyt. Just embarrassing. Bulls played like trash and practically handed the game over too.
Now if you're a Knick fan you've seen it all. But this might be the worst road team of the last 15 years. It fits Jeff's profile
Remember that Hornacek got fired in Phoenix after losing 14 straight road games. You know how they say a team takes the personality of its coach? Well...
The Knicks only won two games away all year so far, and one was against BK which is a free extra home game. Knicks needed a trey.....and somehow Kanter ends up throwing one up.... How about put in your 3 point shooters so you dont have that happen? Any time after a timeout the Knicks did some boneheaded shyt. Just embarrassing. Bulls played like trash and practically handed the game over too.
Now if you're a Knick fan you've seen it all. But this might be the worst road team of the last 15 years. It fits Jeff's profile
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The War Report
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Gonna be a long winter. 
JMurder
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Who knew Timmy would be this crucial for us
qnsfinest
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I’m team tank all the way this loss doesn’t hurt me one bit. But the way we lost angers me, terrible coaching and player rotations hurt us this game.
We need to decide on this 20 game stretch what kind of team are we. Are we gonna fight for this 7-8th spot end up missing the playoffs by a game or two and end up with the 13th pick. Or are gonna make some trades and sit KP and lost 15-17 of the next 20 and put us back in the race for bottom 5. Luckily competition is so good, that a good 10 game losing streak can put us right at the bottom 8.
This team is exciting to watch. Now imagine putting someone like doncic or porter jr with frank, timmy, KP and kanter (I would not be opposed to resigning him to 10-12 mil a yr)
We need to decide on this 20 game stretch what kind of team are we. Are we gonna fight for this 7-8th spot end up missing the playoffs by a game or two and end up with the 13th pick. Or are gonna make some trades and sit KP and lost 15-17 of the next 20 and put us back in the race for bottom 5. Luckily competition is so good, that a good 10 game losing streak can put us right at the bottom 8.
This team is exciting to watch. Now imagine putting someone like doncic or porter jr with frank, timmy, KP and kanter (I would not be opposed to resigning him to 10-12 mil a yr)
GetInTheTruck
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Depressing loss.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
I actually went and looked up the all-time worst road records (1-40, 91 Kings)...at least we somehow got 2 wins
storyteller
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Ah irony, Hornacek took a shot at last year's roster saying that this team wouldn't quit and a day later they continued a pattern of pouncing on bad teams early only to let them come back to win the game. This game was an oddity for a number of reasons. No one on the Knicks was hitting three's besides Lee. We had a on PG, 3 SF's and a C line-up in there for a chunk of the second quarter. Frank played damn near 20 minutes straight in the second half without a breather. Beasley inbounded in crunch time again which probably explains Kanter getting the shot at the game tying three at close. The late futility was illuminating, you could shine a spotlight on THJ sitting on the bench injured. Lee couldn't create against a tight defense, neither could Beasley, KP couldn't get the rock early or do much himself and Frank got himself some decent looks but couldn't finish...Timmy running pick and rolls with KP probably trumps all of that and in a game this close, it could have been a difference maker.
KP: KP started the game like gangbusters and really showed off the value of his game. But over the course of the night he struggled from three and as ball denial pushed him further from the basket, he really never came up with a great way to respond. 9/22 from the field for 23 pts, 6 boards, 3 blocks in 39 minutes. It's close to time to start talking about this kid's rebounding. There are times where he mindfully clears out space for other Knicks to grab boards, but there are also plays where he just watches the rock fall. You'd like to see him take note from Kanter and move on every loose ball since he's too damned tall to be stopped. He'd stand to get some easy looks and draw some more FT's. This game started with fire and was a disappointment imo, but that's because the expectations have shot up from his early run.
Lee: Part of the charm of Lee's game is efficiency but with everyone going bad, he had to force some things and the results were a real mixed bag. 17 pts, 4 asts, 3 boards in 35 minutes for Lee, but he took 18 FGA's to get there. This was another game where Lee's late game execution wasn't there in spite of the ball being in his hands often. That's not really meant to attack him or Hornacek though, without Tim Hardaway it makes sense to go to Lee more. But it also shows our glaring need for a real second option. Aggressive Lee is good, but not when the defense knows it's coming.
Jack: 20 minutes looked like a sweet spot for Jack, who never let up on attacking while he was out there. 11 pts, 8 asts, 4 boards and 3 TO's...has anyone else noticed that Jack has been more TO prone lately or am I crazy? Anyway, defensively you're going to tear your hair out expecting much from Jack. But he pumped in a lot of offense between scoring and playmaking for his 20 minutes out there. Then there's the obvious complaint about missing a FT with a chance to tie and no nearly no time left. Dude had just gotten off the bench from a massive break, but it's brutal to watch free throw shooting play a direct role in two straight losses; this time being a microcosm of all the bricks last time.
Kanter: Robin Lopez only grabbed 6 boards but I spent most of the game thinking "man do I miss that guy." As much as I love Kanter's scoring and rebounding; watching a Center that's just plain good defensively is always a sore sport for me. As a matter of fact, RoLo shut Kanter down from scoring; 4 pts and 11 boards in 22 minutes from the big man. He was 2/7, didn't do anything to standout defensively and in spite of the rebounding edge it was clear that he got outplayed.
Doug McWTF: It was all good just a week ago...I really campaigned hard for Doug to get that starting slot as the porridge that is just right between Beasley's offense and Lance's defense. But you those requests were starting to slip up along with Doug's shooting, which continued to be bad. 3 pts and 6 boards in 37 minutes without hitting a three and also adding 2 TO's. Like Lance usually does, Doug used a lot of minutes to not produce a whole lot. I still think he's the best fit until Tim's ready to come back, but he's giving Horny every excuse to stick with the offensively anemic Lance.
Frank: I might have to start tracking all the open three's Frank gets guys that miss. Hornacek had him out there with Doug, Lance, Beas and KOQ all at once for a while...I wonder who they considered the shooting guard. Anyway, Frank had an up and down night that was more good than bad. 6 pts, 4 asts, 5 boards, a block, a steal and just 1 TO in 28 minutes for the Franc. He's protecting the ball which is a great development. He also attacked a few times, drawing an and-one on an early driving lay-up where his explosiveness flashed some. The bad was 3/10 on the whole and 0/3 from the three point line. The good is that he should have had more assists with the open looks he created and that the 10 attempts show more willful attacking. The defense...well he was giving Kris Dunn such problems that he stayed in the game from 6 mins or so left in the third until fouling out with a minute left in the fourth quarter. He was great defensively, but he also looked tired and shared the play running duties with Lee in the same late stanza. Neither player was effective there and I'd like to see Frank just keep getting these shots. I'll take a loss if we're letting Frank play through mistakes and figure out what it takes to get KP looks when the defense steps up.
Lance: I give Lance a lot of crap, but he flat out played well in this one and I'm not gonna complain at all. 8 and 3 in 28 minutes but the intangibles really did outshine the lack of big statsheet numbers. He was 50% from the field on a night when no one was very efficient and much more importantly, he defended the hell out of Nicola Mirotic whose been cooking. It has to be frustrating shutting down Mirotic all night only to watch the possessions end with Paul Zipser making open jumpers on the other side. Either way, Lance did his job.
KOQ: You know who probably should have played more? Kylo with 9 pts and 8 boards plus an assist over 17 minutes. That's a gang of production on a 4/5 shooting night. KOQ provided everything you could ask for off the bench even while a chunk of his time came in the bizarro forwards only unit. With most teammates playing some level of subpar, it woulda been nice to see him get an extended opportunity.
Beas: Beasley's gotta be the only player that can throw an inbound pass for a wide open three point attempt to tie a game at the buzzer and the entire world is wondering "wtf was he doing." Such are the ways of SupercoolBeas. 3 for 9 from the field for 6 pts, 5 boards, 1 assist and a couple of steals in 15 minutes. Still hesitating to take open threes, still good for a few bizarre rotations on defense and I know everyone's heart sank when he took the ball to inbound late. Honestly, 6 and 5 in 15 minutes isn't bad. I'm not all that mad but if he is our late game go-to inbounder than someone take Phil's pipe away from Jeff ASAP!
Jeff: I've referenced the G,F,F,F,C unit a few times already. I also commented on Frank looking fatigued as hell from getting no breaks in the second half once he got in. You probably just read that I think KOQ clearly should've had more time. Of course I didn't like this performance. I do want to McDermott get starts, but throwing him in during a bit of cold shooting is crappy timing. Ditto for Frank closing games out, I love that but not when you're running him into the ground for 20 minutes straight. Also, I don't want Frank out there just for defense and to watch Lee be the primary ball handler late. I get punishing Baker for the trash game he just had, but three Guards isn't enough for 96 minutes; give Dotson some damned opportunities! Anyway, this is the one step forward and two steps back sense I get from Hornacek often. Things will flash like they're working or could work and he'll either overdo them (Beasley last game) or wait too long to try them out (Doug starting). He's inching closer toward doing the things that I want to see, but somehow making cases against those decisions because of the oddities of how he experiments. In no way can I say that he's straight up doing a bad job. A lot of players have shown development from youth to vets, but I can sure as hell say that there are games where he clearly gets outcoached in ways that likely cost us games. I'm ready for management to make his life easy by shipping some of the vets out and reminding him that developing the youngsters is just as important as winning. Is that G,F,F,F,C unit even seriously trying to win?
KP: KP started the game like gangbusters and really showed off the value of his game. But over the course of the night he struggled from three and as ball denial pushed him further from the basket, he really never came up with a great way to respond. 9/22 from the field for 23 pts, 6 boards, 3 blocks in 39 minutes. It's close to time to start talking about this kid's rebounding. There are times where he mindfully clears out space for other Knicks to grab boards, but there are also plays where he just watches the rock fall. You'd like to see him take note from Kanter and move on every loose ball since he's too damned tall to be stopped. He'd stand to get some easy looks and draw some more FT's. This game started with fire and was a disappointment imo, but that's because the expectations have shot up from his early run.
Lee: Part of the charm of Lee's game is efficiency but with everyone going bad, he had to force some things and the results were a real mixed bag. 17 pts, 4 asts, 3 boards in 35 minutes for Lee, but he took 18 FGA's to get there. This was another game where Lee's late game execution wasn't there in spite of the ball being in his hands often. That's not really meant to attack him or Hornacek though, without Tim Hardaway it makes sense to go to Lee more. But it also shows our glaring need for a real second option. Aggressive Lee is good, but not when the defense knows it's coming.
Jack: 20 minutes looked like a sweet spot for Jack, who never let up on attacking while he was out there. 11 pts, 8 asts, 4 boards and 3 TO's...has anyone else noticed that Jack has been more TO prone lately or am I crazy? Anyway, defensively you're going to tear your hair out expecting much from Jack. But he pumped in a lot of offense between scoring and playmaking for his 20 minutes out there. Then there's the obvious complaint about missing a FT with a chance to tie and no nearly no time left. Dude had just gotten off the bench from a massive break, but it's brutal to watch free throw shooting play a direct role in two straight losses; this time being a microcosm of all the bricks last time.
Kanter: Robin Lopez only grabbed 6 boards but I spent most of the game thinking "man do I miss that guy." As much as I love Kanter's scoring and rebounding; watching a Center that's just plain good defensively is always a sore sport for me. As a matter of fact, RoLo shut Kanter down from scoring; 4 pts and 11 boards in 22 minutes from the big man. He was 2/7, didn't do anything to standout defensively and in spite of the rebounding edge it was clear that he got outplayed.
Doug McWTF: It was all good just a week ago...I really campaigned hard for Doug to get that starting slot as the porridge that is just right between Beasley's offense and Lance's defense. But you those requests were starting to slip up along with Doug's shooting, which continued to be bad. 3 pts and 6 boards in 37 minutes without hitting a three and also adding 2 TO's. Like Lance usually does, Doug used a lot of minutes to not produce a whole lot. I still think he's the best fit until Tim's ready to come back, but he's giving Horny every excuse to stick with the offensively anemic Lance.
Frank: I might have to start tracking all the open three's Frank gets guys that miss. Hornacek had him out there with Doug, Lance, Beas and KOQ all at once for a while...I wonder who they considered the shooting guard. Anyway, Frank had an up and down night that was more good than bad. 6 pts, 4 asts, 5 boards, a block, a steal and just 1 TO in 28 minutes for the Franc. He's protecting the ball which is a great development. He also attacked a few times, drawing an and-one on an early driving lay-up where his explosiveness flashed some. The bad was 3/10 on the whole and 0/3 from the three point line. The good is that he should have had more assists with the open looks he created and that the 10 attempts show more willful attacking. The defense...well he was giving Kris Dunn such problems that he stayed in the game from 6 mins or so left in the third until fouling out with a minute left in the fourth quarter. He was great defensively, but he also looked tired and shared the play running duties with Lee in the same late stanza. Neither player was effective there and I'd like to see Frank just keep getting these shots. I'll take a loss if we're letting Frank play through mistakes and figure out what it takes to get KP looks when the defense steps up.
Lance: I give Lance a lot of crap, but he flat out played well in this one and I'm not gonna complain at all. 8 and 3 in 28 minutes but the intangibles really did outshine the lack of big statsheet numbers. He was 50% from the field on a night when no one was very efficient and much more importantly, he defended the hell out of Nicola Mirotic whose been cooking. It has to be frustrating shutting down Mirotic all night only to watch the possessions end with Paul Zipser making open jumpers on the other side. Either way, Lance did his job.
KOQ: You know who probably should have played more? Kylo with 9 pts and 8 boards plus an assist over 17 minutes. That's a gang of production on a 4/5 shooting night. KOQ provided everything you could ask for off the bench even while a chunk of his time came in the bizarro forwards only unit. With most teammates playing some level of subpar, it woulda been nice to see him get an extended opportunity.
Beas: Beasley's gotta be the only player that can throw an inbound pass for a wide open three point attempt to tie a game at the buzzer and the entire world is wondering "wtf was he doing." Such are the ways of SupercoolBeas. 3 for 9 from the field for 6 pts, 5 boards, 1 assist and a couple of steals in 15 minutes. Still hesitating to take open threes, still good for a few bizarre rotations on defense and I know everyone's heart sank when he took the ball to inbound late. Honestly, 6 and 5 in 15 minutes isn't bad. I'm not all that mad but if he is our late game go-to inbounder than someone take Phil's pipe away from Jeff ASAP!
Jeff: I've referenced the G,F,F,F,C unit a few times already. I also commented on Frank looking fatigued as hell from getting no breaks in the second half once he got in. You probably just read that I think KOQ clearly should've had more time. Of course I didn't like this performance. I do want to McDermott get starts, but throwing him in during a bit of cold shooting is crappy timing. Ditto for Frank closing games out, I love that but not when you're running him into the ground for 20 minutes straight. Also, I don't want Frank out there just for defense and to watch Lee be the primary ball handler late. I get punishing Baker for the trash game he just had, but three Guards isn't enough for 96 minutes; give Dotson some damned opportunities! Anyway, this is the one step forward and two steps back sense I get from Hornacek often. Things will flash like they're working or could work and he'll either overdo them (Beasley last game) or wait too long to try them out (Doug starting). He's inching closer toward doing the things that I want to see, but somehow making cases against those decisions because of the oddities of how he experiments. In no way can I say that he's straight up doing a bad job. A lot of players have shown development from youth to vets, but I can sure as hell say that there are games where he clearly gets outcoached in ways that likely cost us games. I'm ready for management to make his life easy by shipping some of the vets out and reminding him that developing the youngsters is just as important as winning. Is that G,F,F,F,C unit even seriously trying to win?
