A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread
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It is legit terrifying how easy KP makes scoring look.
I've been looking at Timmy and it's pretty simple - if he scores the way we know how he can... Knicks won't lose many games with him and KP playing well in another year.
Ntilikina is looking like the point guard we've suffered so long for. Perimeter defense will finally be a strong point for us, brehs.
I'm understanding the Willy disappointment but Kanter is 25 yrs old and he's not terrible, brehs. Although it seems like he doesn't pass, it must be noted that Kanter usually gets the ball first at the top of the 3pt line and the ball swings through everyone's hands with a priority to KP and finally back to Kanter in the post with 9-11 seconds left to do work. I kind of think his "selfishness" is over blown.
I expect this young team to ebb and flow with the focus and performance but I'm in for this ride.
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For full on fukkery, LeBron needs to sign that one year deal next year and be second option to KP and win that chip in 2019
I've been looking at Timmy and it's pretty simple - if he scores the way we know how he can... Knicks won't lose many games with him and KP playing well in another year.
Ntilikina is looking like the point guard we've suffered so long for. Perimeter defense will finally be a strong point for us, brehs.
I'm understanding the Willy disappointment but Kanter is 25 yrs old and he's not terrible, brehs. Although it seems like he doesn't pass, it must be noted that Kanter usually gets the ball first at the top of the 3pt line and the ball swings through everyone's hands with a priority to KP and finally back to Kanter in the post with 9-11 seconds left to do work. I kind of think his "selfishness" is over blown.
I expect this young team to ebb and flow with the focus and performance but I'm in for this ride.
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For full on fukkery, LeBron needs to sign that one year deal next year and be second option to KP and win that chip in 2019
Mantle Drunk
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Kanter is Curry 2.0 he sucks.It is legit terrifying how easy KP makes scoring look.
I've been looking at Timmy and it's pretty simple - if he scores the way we know how he can... Knicks won't lose many games with him and KP playing well in another year.
Ntilikina is looking like the point guard we've suffered so long for. Perimeter defense will finally be a strong point for us, brehs.
I'm understanding the Willy disappointment but Kanter is 25 yrs old and he's not terrible, brehs. Although it seems like he doesn't pass, it must be noted that Kanter usually gets the ball first at the top of the 3pt line and the ball swings through everyone's hands with a priority to KP and finally back to Kanter in the post with 9-11 seconds left to do work. I kind of think his "selfishness" is over blown.
I expect this young team to ebb and flow with the focus and performance but I'm in for this ride.
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For full on fukkery, LeBron needs to sign that one year deal next year and be second option to KP and win that chip in 2019
GetInTheTruck
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I'm torn on tanking or not this season. I want to see KP in the playoffs. Knicks loser cultures needs to change. Anyway, it's early, I think they should just go with the flow right now...you can't build chemistry and develop players if you are deliberately trying to lose games.
The Knicks should bring Phil back, he knew what the fukk he doing even though it didn't look pretty publically....and they paying his ass anyway.
Come back Phil
The Knicks should bring Phil back, he knew what the fukk he doing even though it didn't look pretty publically....and they paying his ass anyway.
Come back Phil
Phil was a victim of prior mistakes (no 1st in two of his 4 drafts), and his own indecisiveness. Could've fully committed to a rebuild but he gave Melo a huge deal + the NTC. That led to bad "win now" moves that triggered buyers remorse immediately. Handled the attempt to trade Melo terribly. Whiffed on his first head coach, and created an awkward situation for his second with the triangle conundrum. KP exit meeting nonsense.I'm torn on tanking or not this season. I want to see KP in the playoffs. Knicks loser cultures needs to change. Anyway, it's early, I think they should just go with the flow right now...you can't build chemistry and develop players if you are deliberately trying to lose games.
The Knicks should bring Phil back, he knew what the fukk he doing even though it didn't look pretty publically....and they paying his ass anyway.
Come back Phil
Scouting young talent was the only part of the job he didn't botch.
Clarence Gaines drafted well. That's it.I'm torn on tanking or not this season. I want to see KP in the playoffs. Knicks loser cultures needs to change. Anyway, it's early, I think they should just go with the flow right now...you can't build chemistry and develop players if you are deliberately trying to lose games.
The Knicks should bring Phil back, he knew what the fukk he doing even though it didn't look pretty publically....and they paying his ass anyway.
Come back Phil
Phil is gone and we still have Gaines.
Phil was ready to shyt on and trade KP for Lonzo Ball.
This post is extremely sorry sighted considering the stories that came out a month so about Phil not being prepared for free agency interviews and making DSJ way octopus.
fukk Phil.
GetInTheTruck
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Bruh we can't move goalposts. Yeah Gaines is here, but he was a Phil guy. If Gaines drafted garbage we'd blame Phil, no question, so it's only appropriate that we give props where props are due. And I thoroughly believe that whole KP fiasco was just bluster to get in KP's head. As great as KP is he was bugging and feeling himself a little too much to be pulling those type of stunts.
Phil waged war on the status quo and the media. He kinda martyred himself but the Knicks are better off for it. Those are just the facts.
GetInTheTruck
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He made some bad business decisions as a rookie exec, but he made good basketball decisions as a 11 time champ. He saw his win now plan wasn't working and immediately shifted gears.
Anyway I was just thinking out loud, my bad, not trying to reopen that can of worms. Let's look forward.
Agreed.
storyteller
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Clap for 'em fam, the Knicks have just played back to back gems. You can hang the result on coaching decisions to revamp the PG rotation, Lee and THJ calling out the team, those two extra practices or a handful of other moves but what's undeniable as how locked in these guys have looked. I really think Jarrett Jack and Frank Ntilikina have played a pivotal role in righting the ship, having reliable ball handlers QB'ing can really change an offense. On defense, everybody seems more locked in and communication particularly on switches has been really good for the first time in what feels like years. Most importantly though is KP's emergence as an absolute monster. The Cavs tried to go small ball on multiple occasions and KP show over every little guy while Kanter took advantage on the glass if anything didn't fall. We used to have to change rotations to keep up with teams, but while KP is shooting over everybody it's our guys imposing their will. Let's get into it,
KP: 13/27 from the field for 32 points and 12 boards in 36 mins with a pair of blocks to boot. We're gonna be singing his praises offensively all year, it's looking like the vast majority of 4's in this league won't be able to stop him. He can pull up over them, post them up and draws fouls when he attacks. The real spots to highlight though are his rebounding and defense. He hasn't just stepped up as a scorer, he's grabbing contested boards and he's playing quality defense even when he's being pulled out of the paint. What's scary is how much room for improvement he still shows. His passing can improve for sure, his ball handling is sometimes less instinct and more "I'll do this move next" and he still settles for jumpers a bit more than I'd like but that's all nit picking. That's more to point out that he can be even better than a 32 and 12 night with good defense. He's making space in the elite conversation with his performances but there's another level he could potentially reach.
THJ: In the first quarter, Timmy turned 3 boards into positive sum plays (a bucket inside, a three pointer and an assist). He was off and running from there. 11 for 19 from the field for 34 points, 8 assists, 4 boards and his defensive play wasn't just okay but pretty good in visible ways. Hardaway is our best transition player, so the more stops we're generating the better his chances of catching fire. He's not greedy against an unbalanced defense either which was apparent as he notched 8 assists making plays both off the break and in half court sets when the team would weave two or three passes through screens before Timmy received and attacked. This is a 17 million dollar man performance, he got the offense rolling and was a go-to virtually all night.
Lee: With the gaudy outputs all around him, he continues to give the Knicks what they need right as they need it. Cavs are on a run? Lee makes a lay-up to calm things. Offense stagnating in the halfcourt? He'll push the pace and find a sprinter in the corner. He had to guard Lebron a LOT and he did well. He grabbed 10 boards, notched 3 assists and had 2 steals all while adding 15 points on over 50% from the field. His presence has been steady and important amid youngsters that find themselves in new roles with more demands.
Kanter: Seems to need a minute or two to get up to game speed early but after Jeff yelled at him for sluggish returns down court, he really locked in and put effort out there. His defensive IQ isn't great, his feet aren't the fastest but when he's hustling the height can make up for that somewhat. When the Cavs went small he abused them inside and when Thompson was out there, he dominated positioning to mitigate the Cavs workhorse big. I'm willing to give him a pass on some soft hedges and late rotations when he does more good than bad on that end, plus many mistakes came late in a first half where fatigue is easy to blame. 18 and 12 on 50% shooting and 8 trips to the line, his best performance so far.
Jack: Even shooting 1 for 8 it's just impossible to ignore that this team looks far different now that he's the maestro. He's been a steady hand, pumping 9 assists out and not really forcing much in spite of the poor shooting. Defensively, he hasn't been bad and is visibly vocal with the team. It's hard to say how much of this turn around is helped by his presence, but it's obvious that he's been a major upgrade to Sessions.
Frank: Stats don't do the kid justice but 5 pts, 3 asts, 3 rebounds, 2 steals on 2/5 shooting in just 16 minutes. That's production across the board for fairly short time out there. The kid came out there and had Lebron defending him on offense while he was defending Dwayne Wade at the other end of the court. He didn't attack Lebron head on, he took what the defense gave him. He didn't completely lock up Wade, but he poked the ball loose a few times, challenged shots and wasn't afraid to play physical either. Watching this dude navigate screens, pick out passing angles, go straight up...these are pretty fundamental aspects of the game but you apply them to a 19 year old kid who has a wing's size, big man's wingspan and point guard mentality...it becomes a unique and exciting piece of clay that could be molded into something truly special.
Lance: Lance played around 15 minutes of solid, doesn't leap out at you but is doing some good things basketball. There was about a minute mixed in of Lance doing Lance things, bobbling balls or forcing the issue...there was a Lance elbow ISO against Lebron for no apparent reason. But I'll take 1 bad minute and 15 solid minutes. Just pull him when he gets out of control. 5 pts, 3 boards, 16 minutes.
Doug: Had a quiet night but not a negative one. His 14 minutes weren't bad and he tallied a pair of assists to go with a three pointer while doing mostly good things out there. He gave up a blow by And-One to Wade but besides that, mainly a positive performance in spite of being pedestrian.
KOQ: Not the most exciting statline, but his minutes weren't high and he was still doing the things that have shined early on this season. 3 boards, an assist and 2 blocks in 12 minutes but 2 TO's in short time is worth mentioning as downside. He played fine but the minutes weren't there to put a big stamp on the game and Kanter outplayed him period.
Hornacek: Can't argue with results like this. The starters were BALLING all night and they got big minutes that were well earned. The Jarret Jack decision seems to have been a spark and he's taking Kanter to task when dude gets lazy which has had a visible impact. The tightened rotation included Lance and the defense looked good. He also didn't shrink or hide Frank when Lebron picked him up or Wade looked to Iso early (and stopped pretty quickly) against the kid. In the fourth, when momentum was running away early the man used a wise timeout and called some plays for KP and Timmy to finish how they started. If I have one complaint it's that Dotson and Willy coulda used some garbage time but we're only talking 2 to 3 minutes and it's absolutely a nitpick because Jeff coached a damned good game. He outcoached Tyron Lue badly, Lue probably had dreams last night of Iverson crossing him over and stepping over his fallen body...then Hornacek tucking a clipboard under one arm and waving KP back onto the court...then the inevitable news Lebron is not returning to Cleveland. Ghosts of NBA Past, Present and Future...
KP: 13/27 from the field for 32 points and 12 boards in 36 mins with a pair of blocks to boot. We're gonna be singing his praises offensively all year, it's looking like the vast majority of 4's in this league won't be able to stop him. He can pull up over them, post them up and draws fouls when he attacks. The real spots to highlight though are his rebounding and defense. He hasn't just stepped up as a scorer, he's grabbing contested boards and he's playing quality defense even when he's being pulled out of the paint. What's scary is how much room for improvement he still shows. His passing can improve for sure, his ball handling is sometimes less instinct and more "I'll do this move next" and he still settles for jumpers a bit more than I'd like but that's all nit picking. That's more to point out that he can be even better than a 32 and 12 night with good defense. He's making space in the elite conversation with his performances but there's another level he could potentially reach.
THJ: In the first quarter, Timmy turned 3 boards into positive sum plays (a bucket inside, a three pointer and an assist). He was off and running from there. 11 for 19 from the field for 34 points, 8 assists, 4 boards and his defensive play wasn't just okay but pretty good in visible ways. Hardaway is our best transition player, so the more stops we're generating the better his chances of catching fire. He's not greedy against an unbalanced defense either which was apparent as he notched 8 assists making plays both off the break and in half court sets when the team would weave two or three passes through screens before Timmy received and attacked. This is a 17 million dollar man performance, he got the offense rolling and was a go-to virtually all night.
Lee: With the gaudy outputs all around him, he continues to give the Knicks what they need right as they need it. Cavs are on a run? Lee makes a lay-up to calm things. Offense stagnating in the halfcourt? He'll push the pace and find a sprinter in the corner. He had to guard Lebron a LOT and he did well. He grabbed 10 boards, notched 3 assists and had 2 steals all while adding 15 points on over 50% from the field. His presence has been steady and important amid youngsters that find themselves in new roles with more demands.
Kanter: Seems to need a minute or two to get up to game speed early but after Jeff yelled at him for sluggish returns down court, he really locked in and put effort out there. His defensive IQ isn't great, his feet aren't the fastest but when he's hustling the height can make up for that somewhat. When the Cavs went small he abused them inside and when Thompson was out there, he dominated positioning to mitigate the Cavs workhorse big. I'm willing to give him a pass on some soft hedges and late rotations when he does more good than bad on that end, plus many mistakes came late in a first half where fatigue is easy to blame. 18 and 12 on 50% shooting and 8 trips to the line, his best performance so far.
Jack: Even shooting 1 for 8 it's just impossible to ignore that this team looks far different now that he's the maestro. He's been a steady hand, pumping 9 assists out and not really forcing much in spite of the poor shooting. Defensively, he hasn't been bad and is visibly vocal with the team. It's hard to say how much of this turn around is helped by his presence, but it's obvious that he's been a major upgrade to Sessions.
Frank: Stats don't do the kid justice but 5 pts, 3 asts, 3 rebounds, 2 steals on 2/5 shooting in just 16 minutes. That's production across the board for fairly short time out there. The kid came out there and had Lebron defending him on offense while he was defending Dwayne Wade at the other end of the court. He didn't attack Lebron head on, he took what the defense gave him. He didn't completely lock up Wade, but he poked the ball loose a few times, challenged shots and wasn't afraid to play physical either. Watching this dude navigate screens, pick out passing angles, go straight up...these are pretty fundamental aspects of the game but you apply them to a 19 year old kid who has a wing's size, big man's wingspan and point guard mentality...it becomes a unique and exciting piece of clay that could be molded into something truly special.
Lance: Lance played around 15 minutes of solid, doesn't leap out at you but is doing some good things basketball. There was about a minute mixed in of Lance doing Lance things, bobbling balls or forcing the issue...there was a Lance elbow ISO against Lebron for no apparent reason. But I'll take 1 bad minute and 15 solid minutes. Just pull him when he gets out of control. 5 pts, 3 boards, 16 minutes.
Doug: Had a quiet night but not a negative one. His 14 minutes weren't bad and he tallied a pair of assists to go with a three pointer while doing mostly good things out there. He gave up a blow by And-One to Wade but besides that, mainly a positive performance in spite of being pedestrian.
KOQ: Not the most exciting statline, but his minutes weren't high and he was still doing the things that have shined early on this season. 3 boards, an assist and 2 blocks in 12 minutes but 2 TO's in short time is worth mentioning as downside. He played fine but the minutes weren't there to put a big stamp on the game and Kanter outplayed him period.
Hornacek: Can't argue with results like this. The starters were BALLING all night and they got big minutes that were well earned. The Jarret Jack decision seems to have been a spark and he's taking Kanter to task when dude gets lazy which has had a visible impact. The tightened rotation included Lance and the defense looked good. He also didn't shrink or hide Frank when Lebron picked him up or Wade looked to Iso early (and stopped pretty quickly) against the kid. In the fourth, when momentum was running away early the man used a wise timeout and called some plays for KP and Timmy to finish how they started. If I have one complaint it's that Dotson and Willy coulda used some garbage time but we're only talking 2 to 3 minutes and it's absolutely a nitpick because Jeff coached a damned good game. He outcoached Tyron Lue badly, Lue probably had dreams last night of Iverson crossing him over and stepping over his fallen body...then Hornacek tucking a clipboard under one arm and waving KP back onto the court...then the inevitable news Lebron is not returning to Cleveland. Ghosts of NBA Past, Present and Future...
The War Report
NewNewYork
I wanna see KP do more one legged fadeaways.
I'm torn on tanking or not this season. I want to see KP in the playoffs. Knicks loser cultures needs to change. Anyway, it's early, I think they should just go with the flow right now...you can't build chemistry and develop players if you are deliberately trying to lose games.
The Knicks should bring Phil back, he knew what the fukk he doing even though it didn't look pretty publically....and they paying his ass anyway.
Come back Phil
I'm always for tanking until you have your young core already in place
With that said if we win more games then we thought because KP is a beast then it's worth it
If we won games because of veterans playing over young guys and getting a few more wins then I'd be pissed
MR. Conclusion
All Star
I'm torn on tanking or not this season. I want to see KP in the playoffs. Knicks loser cultures needs to change. Anyway, it's early, I think they should just go with the flow right now...you can't build chemistry and develop players if you are deliberately trying to lose games.
The Knicks should bring Phil back, he knew what the fukk he doing even though it didn't look pretty publically....and they paying his ass anyway.
Come back Phil
He was stuck on that outdated Triangle. No thanks.
