A$AP ROCKY - M's (Prod. By Honorable C-Note)

[SirBiatch]

This song is not that great ur standards too low breh breh

That song shyts on anything Kendrick Lamar and J Cole have ever made. That's one of the best beats I've ever heard in my life. and the chorus/theme is pretty damn phenomenal.

Most of the appeal from that tape this track in particular is in the clams casino production breh

Everyone says this, and it's so funny to me because I can tell it comes from a place of hate. You're not being honest with yourself if you really think that the appeal of that track/tape is 100% Clams. We already know the production on that tape does the heavy lifting. But Rocky adds an element to the tape that's crucial.

Rocky has the best vocal delivery of the new school, period. And no one else is even close. When he feels inspired to rap, it sounds incredible. He has a vocal gift and immense bravado; you can't skate around that. And he's routinely showed people that others can't rock a Clams beat like he does. "Leaf" is a perfect example. Compare Rocky to the two wack nikkas after him.

You're acting like it's so easy to rhyme on a Clams beat. Do you know how weird that shyt is?

Asap rocky's style is washed up now

The lack of substance
coupled with his vocals drowned out by reverb
coupled with his recent lack of energy in his newer music
and how often he has been letting production outshine his vocals

He gives nothing to get hype about

He has a good sense of flow and cadence but more recently thats been subpar as of late and at the end of the day asap rocky at this point is one of the most boring rappers in this class of rappers

OK.... everything you've said is fukking irrelevant to the point I always make: When Rocky came out, he released music that blew people away and took hip hop fashion to a whole new level. This shyt is facts.

You're talking about Rocky falling off, and he aint got substance. I don't disagree with you. I think the dude fell off after releasing the heat record that was Pretty Flacko. Everything since then has been aight to wack. But what has that got to do with the fact that he released a phenomenal mixtape and was, for a brief period, the best hip hop artist anyone had heard in a while (in terms of total package)?

The reason people like myself are still interested is because we're hoping he can take it back to Live.Love.ASAP, and if we're lucky, elevate past Live.Love.ASAP.

 

[blackslash]

That song shyts on anything Kendrick Lamar and J Cole have ever made. T.

WHAAAT...ya u buggin

That song is good but compared to kdot.. more than half of kdot's music shyts on that song

Asap rocky will never ever in his life make a song as great as this


Ever...

He dont got the talent to pen words as deep
He dont got the heart or soul to evoke passion and energy behind his words as big
He dont got the diversity and love for experimentation to be as diverse with his vocal inflections and vocal usage(as an instrument) like a kdot does throughout this album

Asap rocky..doesnt have even a quarter of the potential kdot has and will neveer as long as he breathes pen or create a song as great as any of the songs on TPAB

Live with it and accept it

 

[SirBiatch]

WHAAAT...ya u buggin

That song is good but compared to kdot.. more than half of kdot's music shyts on that song

Asap rocky will never ever in his life make a song as great as this


Ever...

He dont got the talent to pen words as deep
He dont got the heart or soul to evoke passion and energy behind his words as big
He dont got the diversity and love for experimentation to be as diverse with his vocal inflections and vocal usage(as an instrument) like a kdot does throughout this album

Asap rocky..doesnt have even a quarter of the potential kdot has and will neveer as long as he breathes pen or create a song as great as any of the songs on TPAB

Live with it and accept it

Mortal Man is trash. The beat's trash. Kendrick's delivery has always been trash. The rhymes are dull. So because you mention Nelson Mandela in your raps, all of a sudden your song is worth listening to?

Kendrick fans have the lowest standards and they don't even realize it.

I have no interest in fake, watered down conscious rap. You're acting as though Kendrick is the first person to experiment with funk/jazz/vocals etc in conscious rap. It's been done before, my nikka. Several times. And better. Outkast made a career out of it. Common had Electric Circus. Q Tip had Kamaal The Abstract. Digable Planets had their run.

Besides, If I want to hear deep thoughts, I'll bump KRS, Jeru, Common, Nas, Mos Def, etc.

Just because something is 'topical' doesn't make it a good song or even worth hearing.

And that's where so many of you fail when it comes to judging ASAP Rocky and his music. The first question that comes to your mind is "what are his topics?" and I'm saying "that's irrelevant." It's about his aesthetic/approach.

His eclectic approach to hip hop is next level, and has never been done before. Before you start saying some dumb shyt like: "It's Houston", It's not Houston. I have homies in Houston. Post a Houston record that sounds like "Wassup."

The way Rocky mixes obscure influences is what floors people like me. Again, it's not been done before. I'm thinking: how the fukk does someone mix Enya/New age cloud rap shyt with Screw, boom bap, Bone Thugs flow, Snoop attitude, and Harlem fashion all in one? The dude takes obscure slang/styles from all coasts and merges them into something fresh. It's way beyond your average casual listener, and that's why they don't get it. It's not in your face because it's done seamlessly. No one in rap history has made a song like "Bass" or "Trilla". You act like just because he rhymes about fashion that somehow he's a terrible rapper.

It's not about content because rap celebrates diversity. It's about the soul in what you do. In the words of Bahamadia, "It aint what you do, it's how you do it." You can rap about whatever you want to rap about. Just be good and unique at it.

When it comes to stylistic bravado shyt in the vein of Camron/Snoop, Rocky is up there with some of the greats. Just off one tape alone.

When it comes to conscious rap, Kendrick is nowhere close to the greats. He's not even close to B level conscious rappers.

Think about it.

 

[blackslash]

Mortal Man is trash. The beat's trash. Kendrick's delivery has always been trash. The rhymes are dull. So because you mention Nelson Mandela in your raps, all of a sudden your song is worth listening to?

Kendrick fans have the lowest standards and they don't even realize it.

I have no interest in fake, watered down conscious rap. You're acting as though Kendrick is the first person to experiment with funk/jazz/vocals etc in conscious rap. It's been done before, my nikka. Several times. And better. Outkast made a career out of it. Common had Electric Circus. Q Tip had Kamaal The Abstract. Digable Planets had their run.

Besides, If I want to hear deep thoughts, I'll bump KRS, Jeru, Common, Nas, Mos Def, etc.

Just because something is 'topical' doesn't make it a good song or even worth hearing.

And that's where so many of you fail when it comes to judging ASAP Rocky and his music. The first question that comes to your mind is "what are his topics?" and I'm saying "that's irrelevant." It's about his aesthetic/approach.

His eclectic approach to hip hop is next level, and has never been done before. Before you start saying some dumb shyt like: "It's Houston", It's not Houston. I have homies in Houston. Post a Houston record that sounds like "Wassup."

The way Rocky mixes obscure influences is what floors people like me. Again, it's not been done before. I'm thinking: how the fukk does someone mix Enya/New age cloud rap shyt with Screw, boom bap, Bone Thugs flow, Snoop attitude, and Harlem fashion all in one? The dude takes obscure slang/styles from all coasts and merges them into something fresh. It's way beyond your average casual listener, and that's why they don't get it. It's not in your face because it's done seamlessly. No one in rap history has made a song like "Bass" or "Trilla". You act like just because he rhymes about fashion that somehow he's a terrible rapper.

It's not about content because rap celebrates diversity. It's about the soul in what you do. In the words of Bahamadia, "It aint what you do, it's how you do it." You can rap about whatever you want to rap about. Just be good and unique at it.

When it comes to stylistic bravado shyt in the vein of Camron/Snoop, Rocky is up there with some of the greats. Just off one tape alone.

When it comes to conscious rap, Kendrick is nowhere close to the greats. He's not even close to B level conscious rappers.

Think about it.

Rocky is nowehere near the greats

Topics aside..

Asap Rocky is merely a product of the internet era where merging slangs from diferent coasts/regions is more apparent....But thats not impressive

Again Rocky even stylistically is subpar because his music lacks many of the diverse vocal inflections seen from a Kendrick
Rocky lacks the pure energy and power behinds his words seen from a kendrick
Even Rocky's take on flow is subpar compared to kendrick because kendrick's take on flow doesnt just borrow and is influenced from hip hop but is influenced from several black genres which vocals...
Example: For Free, U, I, Blacker the Berry,....listen to those and see the diversity in his music in which he travels across different geenres vocally and because of that is able to achieve this interesting and diverse sorts of flows that provide catchiness
And Rocky isnt even good as a song writer cuz ya there are alot of people who offer repetitive subject matter but they write their music in ways in which it offers a sort of cadence in which it makes what they say memorable or something u'll continuously repeat, an example of this is Drake.

Though Rocky lacks even the little substance Drake has, what makes DRake have a pass is that his flows and melodies and cadences offer this sort of "rap/sing along" element that makes his music memorable

Asap Rocky doesnt even do that much

Asap rocky has wayy too much work to do to ever even get close to the greats of his own class(Drake, Kendrick)
And i dnt think he's gonna get that far

 

[SirBiatch]

Rocky is nowehere near the greats

He's nowhere near the real greats, yes. He's no Nas, or Jay-Z, or Ghostface. We know this already.

But again, when we're talking about lower tier but still great rappers in their own right e.g. Camron, Rocky is up there. He did exactly what Camron did. He's got a whole generation dressing like he does. All over by the way. From Harlem to Toronto.

Asap Rocky is merely a product of the internet era where merging slangs from diferent coasts/regions is more apparent....But thats not impressive

How is that not impressive? You're acting like it's always been common.

Besides, it's "HOW" he does it and where he gets it from. Not only the fact that he does it. To mix opposing styles and make it seamless is incredibly hard.

Again Rocky even stylistically is subpar because his music lacks many of the diverse vocal inflections seen from a Kendrick

And those diverse vocal inflections are grating to the ear and trash. They're not even that many. Kendrick fluctuates between Andre 3000 and Em. And it's hard on the ear.

Again, it's not a checklist. Just because you do something doesn't make it dope. It's how it's done, and the effect. Kendrick changes his voice and it sounds fukking wack.

Rocky does shyt like that on Leaf or Lord Pretty Flacko Jodye 2 and you barely notice it because it's seamless, sounds gorgeous and follows the internal logic of the song. He doesn't overdo it.

Rocky lacks the pure energy and power behinds his words seen from a kendrick

Are you kidding me right now? Kendrick doesn't even have a tenth of the bravado and energy that Rocky has.

Rocky's shows are wilder than Kendrick's. Anyone can tell you this.

Even Rocky's take on flow is subpar compared to kendrick because kendrick's take on flow doesnt just borrow and is influenced from hip hop but is influenced from several black genres which vocals...

What?!

Example: For Free, U, I, Blacker the Berry,....listen to those and see the diversity in his music in which he travels across different geenres vocally and because of that is able to achieve this interesting and diverse sorts of flows that provide catchiness

You keep coming back to the same thing - experimental. Just because Kendrick experiments with a range of genres (the cliche, obvious ones too like funk and jazz) doesn't make it good. He doesn't do it seamlessly and that's what makes it wack.

A kid who's never heard or experienced those genres is likely to be impressed by Kendrick. But for others like myself who've been around, we're not impressed by that. You should know who George Clinton is. Just because you're borrowing his vibe (and doing a poor job of it) doesn't make me impressed.

And Rocky isnt even good as a song writer cuz ya there are alot of people who offer repetitive subject matter but they write their music in ways in which it offers a sort of cadence in which it makes what they say memorable or something u'll continuously repeat, an example of this is Drake.

Continuously repeat, aka simp-chant songs. Look man, I'm not huge on Rocky's subject matter. I've always criticized Rocky for that shyt. I think that is a definite flaw in his music, especially given how deep his beats are at times. I will say this tho: he rhymes like a fashion maven. It's repetitive in the sense that tons of people rhyme about fashion, and it's a well-beaten topic, but Rocky makes it unique to him. Because he's specific. You can tell he's OBSESSED with fashion and is a real tastemaker in that shyt.

My gold teeth, my french braids, getting throwed since 10th grade
Wealth is in the mind, not the pocket, if that's the case, then I been paid
Herringbone chain, my gold frames, my Cartiers, you small change
You bytch made, I'm old school like gemstars and switchblades

Those are good rhymes! That second line in particular is smart. These lines aren't incredible compared to what I'm used to hearing but they're alright. In fact, they're better rhymes than 99% of Kendrick's catalogue. Because they're clear, specific and vivid. I can picture exactly what Rocky's talking about. Kendrick's rhymes are so vague about stuff you're not supposed to be vague about.

Though Rocky lacks even the little substance Drake has, what makes DRake have a pass is that his flows and melodies and cadences offer this sort of "rap/sing along" element that makes his music memorable

Asap Rocky doesnt even do that much

Yeah, because Drake does it in a sing-songy poppy RnB way, not really in a rap way. And that's something that young cats don't understand. When Rocky does melodies in his raps, it's in the tradition of KRS-One, Slick Rick, Busy Bee and those cats. "The bridge is over, the bridge is over, biddy bye bye!" That shyt is not pop. It's another aspect of rap melody.

Actually, when Rocky does it, it's reminiscent of Snoop. e.g. "Wassup"

Back once again, sipping Henn, mixed with juice and gin
bytches in, couple lady friends countin Benjamins

That whole 'entrance' is like Snoop entering on "Aint No Fun."

Guess who back in the motherfukking house
With a fat dikk for your motherfukking mouth

Rocky is so smart in how he does this stuff because you don't notice it. It's there but it's seamless. You wont notice at first but if you sit and think about it, you go... "oh shyt... that's kinda like Snoop."

The smartest people in the world don't tell you how smart they are. They just show it in how they do things. The nikkas running around saying "I'm so smart, I'm so conscious, look at what I'm referencing" are almost always the dumbest nikkas ever.

 

[Big Mel]

trash.

 

[Big Mel]

what are M's? Millions?

 

[CoCKy GeNiuS]

evergy is off......

 

[blackslash]

He's nowhere near the real greats, yes. He's no Nas, or Jay-Z, or Ghostface. We know this already.

But again, when we're talking about lower tier but still great rappers in their own right e.g. Camron, Rocky is up there. He did exactly what Camron did. He's got a whole generation dressing like he does. All over by the way. From Harlem to Toronto.



How is that not impressive? You're acting like it's always been common.

Besides, it's "HOW" he does it and where he gets it from. Not only the fact that he does it. To mix opposing styles and make it seamless is incredibly hard.



And those diverse vocal inflections are grating to the ear and trash. They're not even that many. Kendrick fluctuates between Andre 3000 and Em. And it's hard on the ear.

Again, it's not a checklist. Just because you do something doesn't make it dope. It's how it's done, and the effect. Kendrick changes his voice and it sounds fukking wack.

Rocky does shyt like that on Leaf or Lord Pretty Flacko Jodye 2 and you barely notice it because it's seamless, sounds gorgeous and follows the internal logic of the song. He doesn't overdo it.



Are you kidding me right now? Kendrick doesn't even have a tenth of the bravado and energy that Rocky has.

Rocky's shows are wilder than Kendrick's. Anyone can tell you this.



What?!



You keep coming back to the same thing - experimental. Just because Kendrick experiments with a range of genres (the cliche, obvious ones too like funk and jazz) doesn't make it good. He doesn't do it seamlessly and that's what makes it wack.

A kid who's never heard or experienced those genres is likely to be impressed by Kendrick. But for others like myself who've been around, we're not impressed by that. You should know who George Clinton is. Just because you're borrowing his vibe (and doing a poor job of it) doesn't make me impressed.



Continuously repeat, aka simp-chant songs. Look man, I'm not huge on Rocky's subject matter. I've always criticized Rocky for that shyt. I think that is a definite flaw in his music, especially given how deep his beats are at times. I will say this tho: he rhymes like a fashion maven. It's repetitive in the sense that tons of people rhyme about fashion, and it's a well-beaten topic, but Rocky makes it unique to him. Because he's specific. You can tell he's OBSESSED with fashion and is a real tastemaker in that shyt.

My gold teeth, my french braids, getting throwed since 10th grade
Wealth is in the mind, not the pocket, if that's the case, then I been paid
Herringbone chain, my gold frames, my Cartiers, you small change
You bytch made, I'm old school like gemstars and switchblades

Those are good rhymes! That second line in particular is smart. These lines aren't incredible compared to what I'm used to hearing but they're alright. In fact, they're better rhymes than 99% of Kendrick's catalogue. Because they're clear, specific and vivid. I can picture exactly what Rocky's talking about. Kendrick's rhymes are so vague about stuff you're not supposed to be vague about.



Yeah, because Drake does it in a sing-songy poppy RnB way, not really in a rap way. And that's something that young cats don't understand. When Rocky does melodies in his raps, it's in the tradition of KRS-One, Slick Rick, Busy Bee and those cats. "The bridge is over, the bridge is over, biddy bye bye!" That shyt is not pop. It's another aspect of rap melody.

Actually, when Rocky does it, it's reminiscent of Snoop. e.g. "Wassup"

Back once again, sipping Henn, mixed with juice and gin
bytches in, couple lady friends countin Benjamins

That whole 'entrance' is like Snoop entering on "Aint No Fun."

Guess who back in the motherfukking house
With a fat dikk for your motherfukking mouth

Rocky is so smart in how he does this stuff because you don't notice it. It's there but it's seamless. You wont notice at first but if you sit and think about it, you go... "oh shyt... that's kinda like Snoop."

The smartest people in the world don't tell you how smart they are. They just show it in how they do things. The nikkas running around saying "I'm so smart, I'm so conscious, look at what I'm referencing" are almost always the dumbest nikkas ever.

Ur a mindless asap stan..how do i knwo..u tried to say a nikka who drowns out his vocals in reverb and lacks inflections to indicate emotion has more energy and power behind is words than a guy who does ...thats literally impossible and shows me u have no idea what the fukk u typing

And yes experimenting doesnt automatically mean its good but when u appreciate and understand music Kendrick's versatile styles that goes from heavily pulsatile to almost strictly melodic is something that rocky doesnt do and it makes kdot more interesting and kdot is very good at his take of blending the genres and concepts from other concepts and time periods and making it work

Them lines u posting aint hot nikka borrowing from someone doesnt make something good if the surrounding context doesnt give it any purpose musically or conceptually


Again I know music and am a fan of music from bebop jazz, to hip hop, from folk music to R&B i listen to a vast number of music that stretches past the western world....and as someone who has a strong appreciation for music and much moreso than others the vocal aspect of music and how to manipulate and utilize the voice as an instrument to create music..Asap Rocky is not half as interesting as a Kendrick in this regard...granted his cadence which is a unique blend of east coast and southern dialect, is something that is worth appreciating...his artistry as a whole when comparing him to a Kendrick is lacking

 

[Cuban Pete]

shyt is weak sauce

 

[USSInsiders]

what a fukking disappointment! I'm kinda pissed right now. I was anticipating this joint like a muhfukka!

There's no energy in his verses. This is the third time Rocky has done this, and wasted a perfectly good beat. The live version of Thuggin Noise demolishes the mixtape release. Jodye could have been a classic based on what we heard live, then the studio version sounded like he just woke up.

Now this shyt!

Are his vocals too low or just no energy? The chorus and little bit building up to it are perfectly fine. They should stay chill like that. But the verses? There's gotta be more fire in his delivery! How are you gonna deliver a song in the same energy as the verses and chorus?

I guess it's back to the live snippet:

Had a spark when he started

 

[SuburbanPimp]

Honorable C Note is a underrated producer... But ASAP isn't helping him out with this track.....

I'm sure C-Note heard this shyt and said "I should have gave this beat to someone else "

ASAP is so hit and miss.. The last good song I heard from him was Multiply

I hope he doesn't end up being like Wiz

 

[GoldenGlove]

I like it


"Whoo!"

 

[SirBiatch]

Ur a mindless asap stan..

sure buddy. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I don't stan and I'm certainly not mindless.

Would a stan criticize a rapper he likes, in this very thread:

He's nowhere near the real greats, yes. He's no Nas, or Jay-Z, or Ghostface. We know this already.

Look man, I'm not huge on Rocky's subject matter. I've always criticized Rocky for that shyt.

what a fukking disappointment! There's no energy in his verses.

Like I said, I know Rocky's flaws and I know his strengths. I'm also aware that Rocky is falling off and may be done (though it's too early to tell and only the album will confirm any suspicions). I'm very objective.

Do you even know Kendrick's flaws? Have you even bothered to look into where Kendrick is lacking like a muhfukka? You're a Kendrick groupie, getting mad that I'm schooling you when it comes to Rocky and hip hop in general. So you retreat to name-calling and stanisms. And like a true Kendrick dikkslurper, you keep repeating the same shyt without any new insight: "Kendrick experimenting across genres. He's such an artist."

Don't put me in your boat. I'm not you (word to Clipse)

u tried to say a nikka who drowns out his vocals in reverb and lacks inflections to indicate emotion has more energy and power behind is words than a guy who does

Your comments are fukking retarded. The use of reverb or whatever is downright irrelevant.

Look at the energy in Rocky's vocals in a reverb-heavy track like "Palace". Then check out his vocals on tracks like "Pretty Flacko" that aren't cloud rap. Rocky has a ton of energy. He built a whole career on it.

Kendrick does not deliver his vocals with the same umph, energy and bravado that Rocky does. Not in a million years. If you can't hear this, we can't have this convo.

You're pretending like you're smart and I'm stupid. Your statements have zero analysis in comparison to mine. Look back at my posts and compare them to your shyt. All I see on your shyt are run-on sentences, spelling mistakes and weak grammar.

LOL. I can't waste any more time on you fukk nikkas. You don't get it. Cool. We're moving on. Nice talking.

 

[blackslash]

sure buddy. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I don't stan and I'm certainly not mindless.

Would a stan criticize a rapper he likes, in this very thread:







Like I said, I know Rocky's flaws and I know his strengths. I'm also aware that Rocky is falling off and may be done (though it's too early to tell and only the album will confirm any suspicions). I'm very objective.

Do you even know Kendrick's flaws? Have you even bothered to look into where Kendrick is lacking like a muhfukka? You're a Kendrick groupie, getting mad that I'm schooling you when it comes to Rocky and hip hop in general. So you retreat to name-calling and stanisms. And like a true Kendrick dikkslurper, you keep repeating the same shyt without any new insight: "Kendrick experimenting across genres. He's such an artist."

Don't put me in your boat. I'm not you (word to Clipse)



Your comments are fukking retarded. The use of reverb or whatever is downright irrelevant.

Look at the energy in Rocky's vocals in a reverb-heavy track like "Palace". Then check out his vocals on tracks like "Pretty Flacko" that aren't cloud rap. Rocky has a ton of energy. He built a whole career on it.

Kendrick does not deliver his vocals with the same umph, energy and bravado that Rocky does. Not in a million years. If you can't hear this, we can't have this convo.

You're pretending like you're smart and I'm stupid. Your statements have zero analysis in comparison to mine. Look back at my posts and compare them to your shyt. All I see on your shyt are run-on sentences, spelling mistakes and weak grammar.

LOL. I can't waste any more time on you fukk nikkas. You don't get it. Cool. We're moving on. Nice talking.

Compare pretty flacko and blacker the berry


If u think pretty flavcko provides half the energy vocally as blacker the berry ur handicapped