Facto!! Not everybody wants to search for shyt.. It's just the way it is. Some people like music and has a love for it, while others LOVE music. My wife is an example I use. She would never be the one to put you on to new shyt or actively search for shyt. She'd rather jump in the car and pop on the radio or a spotify playlist. Not going to blame her. That's truthfully the average music listener. People need curators, it is what it is.
9th Wonder Ranting On Twitter
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Facto!! Not everybody wants to search for shyt.. It's just the way it is. Some people like music and has a love for it, while others LOVE music. My wife is an example I use. She would never be the one to put you on to new shyt or actively search for shyt. She'd rather jump in the car and pop on the radio or a spotify playlist. Not going to blame her. That's truthfully the average music listener. People need curators, it is what it is.
GPBear
The Tape Crusader
“Do white people only accept black art forms if they’re packaged a certain way? Maybe. But if that’s the case, how do you explain Childish Gambino 
” - 9th Wonder
” - 9th Wonder
We gotta stop fetishizing "Black Culture"
Hip-Hop and Black Music is not respected as culture
And time and time again, we're reminded that it's not controlled by BLACK PEOPLE
He point about stop waiting for shyt to pop in the mainstream to love it, but, nothing is big when it's just black people rocking with it
Gucci been poppin' for ever
It wasn't until the hipsters (the strongest arm in Rap "culture" nowadays) became fascinated with him that he became mainstream
Hip-Hop and Black Music is not respected as culture
And time and time again, we're reminded that it's not controlled by BLACK PEOPLE
He point about stop waiting for shyt to pop in the mainstream to love it, but, nothing is big when it's just black people rocking with it
Gucci been poppin' for ever
It wasn't until the hipsters (the strongest arm in Rap "culture" nowadays) became fascinated with him that he became mainstream
FOUR_ONE_TWO
All Star
Just had this convo last night with my cousin.
No matter what your opinion on Bruno and whomever else borrows from black culture, the root of the problem is not being in charge of our own shyt and pair that with this all inclusive attitude that black folks seem to carry, and we're gonna continue to have these problems as long as Black Culture is popular.
If we weren't so accepting of others and letting them feel comfortable borrowing parts of our shyt, I really don't think convos like this would take place. People from other cultures don't just let us assimilate into theirs, so why do we? Everybody else dips in and out of black culture, not giving us our props in the process, and it makes our shyt look disposable and unworthy of preservation. Same reason why our very own people act like all these awards and accolades Bruno is winning isn't that big of deal, he's earned them. Well, yes, but so did the other artists whose whole careers serve as the groundwork for him to succeed. Literally.
I think the percentage of black people who don't support black art is very small in comparison to the ones that do, and it's unfair to place blame on black artists and fans on certain acts not becoming successful in the mainstream because we're not even in charge of who gets to be that representation. We lost that a long time ago. So I don't know why these older heads talk down on our generation when theirs is the ones that relinquished control in the first place. Now, I do agree that it's our responsibility to take it back, but how? As a start, I think it's important to make our younger generation realize the influence of Hip Hop (and black music in general), and we need to start by getting them to see the greatness in older Hip Hop artists and not think of them as "old" or "washed up." I've always said that Hip Hop is the only genre of music whose younger fans don't embrace the old heads and what they done for the genre. The change has to come within.
No matter what your opinion on Bruno and whomever else borrows from black culture, the root of the problem is not being in charge of our own shyt and pair that with this all inclusive attitude that black folks seem to carry, and we're gonna continue to have these problems as long as Black Culture is popular.
If we weren't so accepting of others and letting them feel comfortable borrowing parts of our shyt, I really don't think convos like this would take place. People from other cultures don't just let us assimilate into theirs, so why do we? Everybody else dips in and out of black culture, not giving us our props in the process, and it makes our shyt look disposable and unworthy of preservation. Same reason why our very own people act like all these awards and accolades Bruno is winning isn't that big of deal, he's earned them. Well, yes, but so did the other artists whose whole careers serve as the groundwork for him to succeed. Literally.
I think the percentage of black people who don't support black art is very small in comparison to the ones that do, and it's unfair to place blame on black artists and fans on certain acts not becoming successful in the mainstream because we're not even in charge of who gets to be that representation. We lost that a long time ago. So I don't know why these older heads talk down on our generation when theirs is the ones that relinquished control in the first place. Now, I do agree that it's our responsibility to take it back, but how? As a start, I think it's important to make our younger generation realize the influence of Hip Hop (and black music in general), and we need to start by getting them to see the greatness in older Hip Hop artists and not think of them as "old" or "washed up." I've always said that Hip Hop is the only genre of music whose younger fans don't embrace the old heads and what they done for the genre. The change has to come within.
Gambino has a unique history. I remember modern outlets like Pitchfork raking dude over the coals for being a try-hard when he first came out, and now he's being championed as a beacon of modern Black identity and being fellated by every outlet“Do white people only accept black art forms if they’re packaged a certain way? Maybe. But if that’s the case, how do you explain Childish Gambino
Dude also tried literally every lane in media (TV/Youtube/Music/Writing/Stand-Up) until something eventually stuck. He started getting the props cause his talent became undeniable and he hustled enough to make himself a household name
He was able to successfully change the narrative which I applaud him for
Then only names grammy nominated artist
I dont see how what you replied with conflicts with any of his arguments. So BJ, Pak, and Daniel were nominated for Grammy's. You don't expect them to be? They're only in competition with other Black artists. His argument is why aren't they bigger and in competition with the Bruno's. It's because an artist only reaches that level when they're pushed in front of the masses by a "white benefactor"
Insensitive
Superstar
Chris Brown wrote or accepts written songs that are totally bullshyt though.
The guy's got a great voice but instead of focusing on creating amazing albums post the Rhianna beating, he instead turned into a fake gang banger and started rapping or doin that shytty sing song style of music.
The same goes for Usher, he was riffing all over EDM when it looked like no one wanted the "old stuff" anymore.
Jim Cornette
The Cult of Meat with Extra Cheese...
9th one of my fave producers oat...
but his Twitter fingers are fukking annoying
but his Twitter fingers are fukking annoying
Part of his argument was mining for lesser known artist. These acts are pretty well known by the masses and they’ve also been pushed by the “white benefactor”.
Then only names grammy nominated artist
9th been fukkin with all them, well before they got Grammy nods.. would it make you feel better if he named some random singers, or would you take that opportunity to say, "who the fukk are those random ass artists.. he just saying names because he probably works with them.."
i dont even know why you in here trying to discredit that man.. but, its corny as fukk...
I’m not discrediting him or his accomplishments, I just don’t agree with him
Since his argument is about finding lesser known artist, yeah this would’ve been a perfect time to name artist that haven’t gotten their due
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Exactly. If you arent supporting these black artists and just download their shyt, youre a part of the problem
the point he made about folks not fukkin with alot of Black artists, until White folks do.. applies to the artists he went on to name..I’m not discrediting him or his accomplishments, I just don’t agree with him
Since his argument is about finding lesser known artist, yeah this would’ve been a perfect time to name artist that haven’t gotten their due
i dont know if you lack reading, or basic-level comprehension.. or, just in here trying to find a way to discredit his statement.. probably both.. he has an entire label compromised of lesser-known artist & producers.. he's a instructor at a lesser-known university.. he still works with lesser known artists.. if he'd have to interject that, after what he said, you would be in here on some, "he just using this moment to promote his artists.."
some of yall are just miserable, and need an outlet to nitpick and discredit sh!t people say.. we get it.. this isnt one of the time, and what he said is nothing short of fact.. no need to re-word it because some user on thecoli.com cant understand the overall message..
Tribal Outkast
Veteran
People really don't want to believe this but it's 100% truth! Most of the shyt that was hot back in the day was mostly spoon fed to us.. Imagine what life would be like if we had to always discover artists or just listen to whatever was pushed the most. We wouldn't know half these artists or they would've been forgotten like they are now. I can't argue anything 9th said... He made me think about how all these people jumped on Solange's nuts after A Seat at the table dropped... Yes that album was amazing but man Solange dropped two nice albums before that.
EDIT: Let me rephrase the first part of my post because I think I misinterpreted what you were actually saying. He said it in his tweets, but we really need a Video Soul, Rap City, video countdown show, etc because this "putting people up on artists" era ain't cutting it. There have been so many artists who dropped great albums that were forgotten because such and such came out a week later. It's a shame that people have to come on places like this and point you to great artists on places like Spotify, Tidal, etc. I know people hate radio now but shyt seemed better when they broke artists. shyt seemed better when you saw a video of an unknown artist and knew they were going to blow up.
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Hannibal Fox
Eetwidomayloh
Fam I laughed real hard at that shyt, I was reading Black Panther comics nearly 30 years ago, I remember trying to put heads up on to it way back when, fools hit me with the side eye and mocked that shyt, fast forward to present day those same folks are experts on BP all of a sudden
movie showed you lowkey how the oppressor will train one of your own to take you out, CIA agent suddenly knew everything about Killmonger after waking up in wakanda, yeah OK, that infiltration was smooth as baby shyt, 