87% of people behind on rent have less than a Bachelor's degree

[OfTheCross]

I know some people feel swindled by college, but there's certainly a value.

More Than 8 Million Americans Are Late on Rent as Prices Increase

www.bloomberg.com

About 15% of US renters aren’t caught up with their payments, according to Census Bureau data, and it’s about to get worse this summer as many leases come due and landlords boost prices.

That represents 8.4 million Americans who were struggling to pay their monthly rents during the June 1 to June 13 period of the Census survey. The share was markedly higher for Black Americans -- almost a quarter are behind -- and for people age 40 to 54, an age when many are at their earnings peak.

The Census added new questions about rents to its household survey this month, just in time to catch the peak season of lease renewals. There are roughly 60 million households who live in rentals, including many on annual leases who haven’t felt the impact from soaring rental prices this past year. That’s about to change.

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About 3.5 million households say they are very or somewhat likely to leave their house in the next two months because of eviction. In cities from Atlanta to New York, there’s already evidence of the renting squeeze.

Over the last 12 months, rent increased by at least $250 per month for 6.7 million households, according to the survey. About half of families with kids enrolled in free or reduced-price school meal programs said it’s somewhat or very likely they’ll be evicted in the next couple of months.

 

[Hood Critic]

This says more about job requirements than it does about the effectiveness of college and worth of degrees.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Having a degree and making money has no correlation in this country.. It’s mofos with PHD’s out there working in a supermarket

 

[LadyJ2]

This says more about job requirements than it does about the effectiveness of college and worth of degrees.

I disagree slightly.

Graduating from college is a huge accomplishment and requires discipline and focus. Spending the years from 18-22 fulfilling requirements from multiple professors, passing high-stakes exams, maintaining personal and professional relationships are the same tasks needed in high-earning employment situations.

Most non-college educated white collar workers are in revenue-generating positions like sales because their value is immediate and measurable.

 

[acri1]

In the long term people with a degree tend to make more, this has been shown in many studies, so there's nothing surprising about this.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

If they had degrees they’d be behind on student loans…just keeps rolling forward

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I disagree slightly.

Graduating from college is a huge accomplishment and requires discipline and focus. Spending the years from 18-22 fulfilling requirements from multiple professors, passing high-stakes exams, maintaining personal and professional relationships are the same tasks needed in high-earning employment situations.

Most non-college educated white collar workers are in revenue-generating positions like sales because their value is immediate and measurable.

lol, you’re inflating the bar of what most colleges actually are. There are 4-6000 colleges/universities in the US depending on what type of institutions you count and only about 95% are glorified secondary school.

 

[acri1]

lol, you’re inflating the bar of what most colleges actually are. There are 4-6000 colleges/universities in the US depending on what type of institutions you count and only about 95% are glorified secondary school.

Even people who go to community college and get an associates make more than people without a degree in the long term.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Even people who go to community college and get an associates make more than people without a degree in the long term.

My statement wasn’t about earnings, we know places with more demand attach degrees as gatekeeping mechanisms to jobs as those jobs pay more. My statement was about what colleges require to graduate, the vast majority have a low bar with kids gaining no discernible skills, especially not any that translate into whatever field of work they fall into - and most people simply fall into a line of work.

If youre one to agree with the idea that college means you can do the job better on GP, then you agree with the idea that the best paid jobs should only go to kids from the most elite schools as they clearly are better equipped to be in those roles

 

[acri1]

My statement wasn’t about earnings, we know places with more demand attach degrees as gatekeeping mechanisms to jobs as those jobs pay more. My statement was about what colleges require to graduate, the vast majority have a low bar with kids gaining no discernible skills, especially not any that translate into whatever field of work they fall into - and most people simply fall into a line of work.

If youre one to agree with the idea that college means you can do the job better on GP, then you agree with the idea that the best paid jobs should only go to kids from the most elite schools as they clearly are better equipped to be in those roles

Employers are going to use some sort of criteria to screen out candidates, and it's often going to be education level. That's just reality.

But I don't agree with downplaying the value of education or the idea that the "vast majority" of college graduates have no skills. Obviously the quality of education is going to vary from place to place but dismissing education as somehow not being worthwhile is hustling backwards.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Employers are going to use some sort of criteria to screen out candidates, and it's often going to be education level. That's just reality.

But I don't agree with downplaying the value of education or the idea that the "vast majority" of college graduates have no skills. Obviously the quality of education is going to vary from place to place but dismissing education as somehow not being worthwhile is hustling backwards.

i'm not dismissing it as not being worthwhile, i'm dismissing the idea that being successful, worthy of a job or prepared for a job has anything to do with getting a degree (outside of a handful a fields where the degree is directly related to the job). you get a degree because it's a door opener, because yes, degrees are used to gatekeep roles, but i've seen what people are doing at colleges of varying prestige and trust, the vast majority aren't beacons of higher learning, critical thinking or academic rigor.

and the vast majority of graduates don't have any particular skill, college isn't vocational school, you don't go there to acquire a skill/trade. most office workers gain hard skills from their work experience.

 

[Serious]

i'm not dismissing it as not being worthwhile, i'm dismissing the idea that being successful, worthy of a job or prepared for a job has anything to do with getting a degree (outside of a handful a fields where the degree is directly related to the job). you get a degree because it's a door opener, because yes, degrees are used to gatekeep roles, but i've seen what people are doing at colleges of varying prestige and trust, the vast majority aren't beacons of higher learning, critical thinking or academic rigor.

and the vast majority of graduates don't have any particular skill, college isn't vocational school, you don't go there to acquire a skill/trade. most office workers gain hard skills from their work experience.

I realized this shyt when I was in community college.

I legit had a professor at the time say that. A degree is a just a necessary ticket or stamp to getting a decent job.

Prior to that, the idea of college being some passage of enlightenment was my perception, so I treated it as such, while many of peers struggled to barely do enough and get by

Now Ironically I’ve adopted this mindset, of doing just enough to get by at work

 

[acri1]

i'm not dismissing it as not being worthwhile, i'm dismissing the idea that being successful, worthy of a job or prepared for a job has anything to do with getting a degree (outside of a handful a fields where the degree is directly related to the job). you get a degree because it's a door opener, because yes, degrees are used to gatekeep roles, but i've seen what people are doing at colleges of varying prestige and trust, the vast majority aren't beacons of higher learning, critical thinking or academic rigor.

and the vast majority of graduates don't have any particular skill, college isn't vocational school, you don't go there to acquire a skill/trade. most office workers gain hard skills from their work experience.

Again, employers are going to use something to filter people out. If it wasn't education level it would be some (possibly even worse) other criteria.

If I have a job position and there are 100 applicants, and I only want to interview 15 people, then I might just decide to only interview people with a degree. You can't realistically expect that not to happen. If you aspire to a job that generally requires a degree (even if you could do the job without one) then you just have to peep the market and move accordingly.


I'm not really sure what your point is unless you think people should stop going to college to force employers to hire more HS grads or something.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Again, employers are going to use something. If it wasn't education level it would be some (possibly even worse) other criteria.

If I have a job position and there are 100 applicants, and I only want to interview 15 people, then I might just decide to only interview people with a degree. You can't realistically expect that not to happen. If you aspire to a job that generally requires a degree (even if you could do the job without one) then you just have to peep the market and move accordingly.


I'm not really sure what your point is unless you think people should stop going to college to force employers to hire more HS grads or something.

bro, where have i stated either of these?

you're clearly having a different conversation right now, maybe you need to re-read the first post i was replying to to understand my replies.

the system is what it is, but someone arguing college prepares people for these run of the mill white collar jobs is silly. it doesn't, it's just a stamp of approval you need to have your application read

 

[acri1]

bro, where have i stated either of these?

you're clearly having a different conversation right now, maybe you need to re-read the first post i was replying to to understand my replies.

the system is what it is, but someone arguing college prepares people for these run of the mill white collar jobs is silly. it doesn't, it's just a stamp of approval you need to have your application read

Yes, the purpose of a degree is largely to avoid getting your resume thrown out. I don't think anybody would dispute that.

But again, if it wasn't that it would just be something else. I'm not sure what alternative you're advocating for.