87% of Ohio's charter schools fail to meet minimum standards

[The Real]

if the kids going from public to charter are special needs and dropouts then it would explain the the charters performing worse and the public performing better, i think you are incorrect in saying the the urban is different, what lombardi is saying is that urban schools dont perform and on top of that they have the special needs

Again, you're talking about a minority of the charters. That doesn't explain charters in general being less successful. It's not as if all charter schools are just dumping grounds for low-performance kids. Most of them contain a mostly white and wealthy demographic, as I already showed.

Even the schools that accept special needs kids aren't special needs schools- they just accept those kids along with others, so their performance shouldn't be significantly lower than the public schools.

And even in those charters that are drop-out recovery schools, the rates of graduation and standards of education are clearly subpar- in short, they're not doing what they were set up to do relative to the public schools. Lombardo asked to take student improvement into account, and as research shows, there isn't any defined student improvement when someone from an urban public school transfers to an urban charter.

 

[Type Username Here]

How many public schools fail to meet minimum standards?

How many public schools fail to teach a curriculum that places children on the same tier as their peers in other developed countries?

That should bother us much more so than charter schools. Charter schools is just a fukked up, greedy attempt to solve a real problem. Making charter schools go away won't magically fix anything.

 

[The Real]

How many public schools fail to meet minimum standards?

How many public schools fail to teach a curriculum that places children on the same tier as their peers in other developed countries?

That should bother us much more so than charter schools. Charter schools is just a fukked up, greedy attempt to solve a real problem. Making charter schools go away won't magically fix anything.

Very true. In some contexts, they do exacerbate the problems, though, since they take up precious state education budget money to use for failed programs like these, leaving even less money to the public schools than before.

Real education reform should involve a lot of changes to the school system in general and the culture surrounding it.

 

[acri1]

How many public schools fail to meet minimum standards?

How many public schools fail to teach a curriculum that places children on the same tier as their peers in other developed countries?

That should bother us much more so than charter schools. Charter schools is just a fukked up, greedy attempt to solve a real problem. Making charter schools go away won't magically fix anything.

I think you're arguing against a point that nobody made breh.

 

[Type Username Here]

I think you're arguing against a point that nobody made breh.

Nah, I'm tired of seeing charter school threads when the underlying issue is never addressed. Same shyt on my facebook feed as well.

If they cease to exist tomorrow I wouldn't give a fukk, but then where are we? What's the next move?

 

[Dyce25]

I'm not a fan of charter schools myself. However, to play devil's advocate on the matter at hand, I think twism13 is saying (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that any broad direct comparison between public and charter schools would be flawed because charter schools are only or mostly located in troubled urban areas, whereas public schools are located in all areas. If his claim were true, then even a direct comparison between urban public and urban charters wouldn't solve the puzzle, because some urban public areas would still be "good" areas, whereas urban charter school areas would all or mostly have a predisposition to perform worse academically due to socioeconomic reasons. This view basically holds that charter schools are built solely to provide help to disadvantaged and special needs students and only appear once an area is in a bad socioeconomic situation. (which isn't true.)

Even if all of that were true, I doubt it would effect the results of a study, though. Charter schools just seem to underperform, and suck up money. I'm just not a fan of them personally. What I am in favor of is a total national education overhaul, though. There are a lot of things we need to do differently, but that's another topic. The best way to provide a little more clarity here, though, would be to study both charter and public schools in a variety of specific locations. By pinpointing specific examples from across the country and comparing only Atlanta charters to Atlanta public schools, Miami to Miami, ect., you can get a clearer view of exactly how bad charter schools are underperforming in comparison to public schools.

 

[the next guy]

charters don't hide the stupid, you're kids will get exposed at the end of high school if they don't do well.

 

[Insensitive]

It's about time we start that fukk Charter Schools movement.

 

[theworldismine13]

Again, you're talking about a minority of the charters. That doesn't explain charters in general being less successful. It's not as if all charter schools are just dumping grounds for low-performance kids. Most of them contain a mostly white and wealthy demographic, as I already showed.

Even the schools that accept special needs kids aren't special needs schools- they just accept those kids along with others, so their performance shouldn't be significantly lower than the public schools.

And even in those charters that are drop-out recovery schools, the rates of graduation and standards of education are clearly subpar- in short, they're not doing what they were set up to do relative to the public schools. Lombardo asked to take student improvement into account, and as research shows, there isn't any defined student improvement when someone from an urban public school transfers to an urban charter.

you can't have it both ways, when the higher scores in charter schools are pointed out the excuse by the anti charter people is that its because charters schools exclude people, not you have a situation where charter schools are taking in special cases and somehow the logic that you used a second ago doesn't count

and the stats that show no improvement from urban school to another urban school includes the special needs and special cases

 

[TheReal_Broke_88m3_13]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=95fuYlK2Kow#t=4m35s

4min 35 seconds
Don't support charter schools brehs...