87% of Ohio's charter schools fail to meet minimum standards

[Dusty Bake Activate]

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/8/30/juan_gonzlez_growing_charter_school_chain

@theworldismine13

 

[theworldismine13]

what? where does 87% come from?

and the story in the link is whatever without details about what exactly "special needs, special education children, or children with behavior problems" means

 

[The Real]

Damn, and here I thought I was lying and making up nonsense in that my other charter school thread when I said that subpar standards were a widespread problem.

 

[The Real]

what? where does 87% come from?

and the story in the link is whatever without details about what exactly "special needs, special education children, or children with behavior problems" means

From a different article:

"Among Ohio’s 612 public school districts, 60 percent would score an “A” on proficiency tests because their children would have at least a 75 percent pass rate. On the other hand, 72 percent of charter schools would receive an “F” for the same measure.
For graduation rates, only 7 percent of public school districts would receive an F, but 89 percent of the more than 300 charter schools would receive the state’s worst academic rating...
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However, a Beacon Journal analysis shows that of 56,987 students who left a traditional public school for a charter, 82 percent of those students enrolled in a charter school that performed worse than the public school they left."...
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The Ohio Department of Education did not provide building-by-building data, but most recent scores show that two in three charter schools scored in academic emergency or academic watch, but only two in 100 public school districts received one of the two lowest ratings.

http://www.ohio.com/news/local/acad...likely-to-tank-in-new-scoring-system-1.386455

 

[theworldismine13]

From a different article:

"Among Ohio’s 612 public school districts, 60 percent would score an “A” on proficiency tests because their children would have at least a 75 percent pass rate. On the other hand, 72 percent of charter schools would receive an “F” for the same measure.
For graduation rates, only 7 percent of public school districts would receive an F, but 89 percent of the more than 300 charter schools would receive the state’s worst academic rating...
...
However, a Beacon Journal analysis shows that of 56,987 students who left a traditional public school for a charter, 82 percent of those students enrolled in a charter school that performed worse than the public school they left."...
...
The Ohio Department of Education did not provide building-by-building data, but most recent scores show that two in three charter schools scored in academic emergency or academic watch, but only two in 100 public school districts received one of the two lowest ratings.

http://www.ohio.com/news/local/acad...likely-to-tank-in-new-scoring-system-1.386455

from the same article

Marianne Lombardo, vice president of research and accountability for the Ohio Alliance for Public Charter Schools, says the comparison isn’t fair.

“We’re trying to be transparent and tell the more contextual story,” Lombardo said. She asserts that charter schools cannot be compared to all public schools because one in three charter schools cater to special needs, impoverished or challenged children.

These children attend 35 charter schools that take autistic students. They also attend 85 drop-out recovery schools that give a second chance to kids who have turned away from education.

“I think if you take those out you’ll see a much different story.”

Lombardo also said the geographic location of charter schools affects their performance. Most are in urban areas, she said.

About half, or 56,987, of charter school students left one of Ohio’s eight largest urban school districts.

However, a Beacon Journal analysis shows that of 56,987 students who left a traditional public school for a charter, 82 percent of those students enrolled in a charter school that performed worse than the public school they left.

Still, Lombardo said that the 82 percent includes students in drop-out recovery programs where performance generally is lower.

“They can only operate in challenged school districts … They are located in areas where student achievement has not been at the same level as the average student statewide,” Lombardo said. “A more fair comparison is a charter [building] to a district [building],” and not charter schools to entire school districts.

the article you just posted explains the low scores and it also contradicts the article vvd just posted

 

[The Real]

from the same article



the article you just posted explains the low scores and it also contradicts the article vvd just posted

Read the whole article. It points out that even after you factor in Lombardo's explanations, the stats are still abysmal, and still worse than the public schools. Every point she makes is rebutted insofar as you can account for them and the problem remains. I obviously agree that the special needs schools shouldn't be held to the same standards as the others, but that doesn't address the issue.

 

[theworldismine13]

Read the whole article. It points out that even after you factor in Lombardo's explanations, the stats are still abysmal, and still worse than the public schools. Every point she makes is rebutted insofar as you can account for them and the problem remains. I obviously agree that the special needs schools shouldn't be held to the same standards as the others, but that doesn't address the issue.

its rebutted by going back to a direct comparison of charter schools which are concentrated in bad districts already

 

[The Real]

its rebutted by going back to a direct comparison of charter schools which are concentrated in bad districts already

Nah, it addressed the points. I'll simplify:

Lombardo: the charter schools are in bad, urban areas.

Article: if you compare only all the students who left urban public schools to go charter, the charters still end up worse.

Lombardo: Ok, but that's unfair, and “a more fair comparison is a charter [building] to a district [building],” and not charter schools to entire school districts.

Article: Most recent scores show that two in three charter schools scored in academic emergency or academic watch, but only two in 100 public school districts received one of the two lowest ratings.

Lombardo: You have to also take into account how much the children improve in charters vs public.

Article: Charter schools are twice as likely to receive a D or F on the new report cards.


Basically, all her points were useful for complicating the initial narrative, but none of them actually change the fact that even when all of them are addressed, the charters are still performing worse.

 

[theworldismine13]

Nah, it addressed the points. I'll simplify:

Lombardo: the charter schools are in bad, urban areas.

Article: if you compare only all the students who left urban public schools to go charter, the charters still end up worse.

Lombardo: Ok, but that's unfair, and “a more fair comparison is a charter [building] to a district [building],” and not charter schools to entire school districts.

Article: Most recent scores show that two in three charter schools scored in academic emergency or academic watch, but only two in 100 public school districts received one of the two lowest ratings.

Lombardo: You have to also take into account how much the children improve in charters vs public.

Article: Charter schools are twice as likely to receive a D or F on the new report cards.


Basically, all her points were useful for complicating the initial narrative, but none of them actually change the fact that even when all of them are addressed, the charters are still performing worse.

that isnt it, lombardi said that its not a fair comparison because charter schools focus on the urban districts that are bad and special needs and they are being compared to public schools, the article never disputed that it just went on with other stats that compared charters to regular schools

 

[The Real]

that isnt it, lombardi said that its not a fair comparison because charter schools focus on the urban districts that are bad and special needs and they are being compared to public schools, the article never disputed that it just went on with other stats that compared charters to regular schools

The special needs and the urban argument are different. I already pointed out how the article addressed both. The urban argument can be dealt with by showing, as the research does, that even when you only look at kids who move from urban public to urban charter, the charters still come out performing worse. The special needs argument only applies for "about 1/3rd" of the charter schools, as Lombardo says (remember, most charter schools are bastions of wealthier white people trying to escape minorities/urban public schools, as I proved in that other thread) and yet 89% of them receive "the state's worst academic rating" for graduation rates.

 

[theworldismine13]

The special needs and the urban argument are different. I already pointed out how the article addressed both. The urban argument can be dealt with by showing, as the research does, that even when you only look at kids who move from urban public to urban charter, the charters still come out performing worse. The special needs argument only applies for "about 1/3rd" of the charter schools, as Lombardo says, and yet 89% of them receive "the state's worst academic rating."

if the kids going from public to charter are special needs and dropouts then it would explain the the charters performing worse and the public performing better, i think you are incorrect in saying the the urban is different, what lombardi is saying is that urban schools dont perform and on top of that they have the special needs

 

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[J-Fire]

Well who is attending Ohio State then.....all out of state kids? it ain't a bad university. Always top 50 USNews rankings.

 

[theworldismine13]

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there isnt anything wrong with making profits in education, there is something wrong with not giving the education consumer any choices

 

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You think this began with Charter schools?