6,000 fans at SD; only 1,500 fans stayed to watch 205 Live on Tuesday

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dh86 said:
There would be a point if WWE increased their spending commiserate with the influx of new cash. WCW did that. They lost money throughout their history even while being on a budget until 96-97. They started making big money with the NWO then Goldberg booms and then their spending exploded and continued even when those booms ended. WWE is going to obviously boost the pay of the top stars and they’re offering big money to the Bullet Club but it won’t be anywhere else to the new money being brought in.

In the past decade, NFL ratings have definitely dropped. In 2007, NFL games were roughly 20 of the top 100 most watched shows of the year. In 2017, 70 of the top 100 most watched shows were NFL games. That’s what really matters. If you look every week, raw & smackdown are nearing the top of most viewed shows in their target demos every week. When I was a kid, when Raw was on, micro machines, stridex pads, 1800 collect were the sponsors. With the genius move to PG, we see real sponsors like Mattel & Mars candy sponsoring WWE that didn’t touch the product before. The quality of sponsors are better than its ever been. I don’t see how this changes in the foreseeable future. The best PPV year WWE ever had was 2000-01 and they made $128.2 million from PPV. The WWE network made $197 million in 2017. Cable did undergo major cord cutting the past few years but that has slowed down recently. Cable networks are looking for an identity to justify their existence, though. Spike went from airing ECW & WWE to subsidizing TNA to no longer being in existence. USA has no more popular original shows and started airing WWE in the early 80s. They’ll never cancel Raw as long as there’s a USA network. Even if NBC Universal pulls the plug on the network existing, Raw is safe for the duration of the contract. Friday Smackdown will air on Fox so it’s immune from your cable television point. They will have to have about 3.5 million viewers weekly to be safe. Master Chef, junior and a Meghan Markle special reached that so its doable. Smackdown gets removed from Fox, it will move to FS1 and automatically be the most viewed regular show on the network and be very safe over next 5 years. Fox has long term contracts with the Big ten, Big east, Big 12, MLB, etc so FS1 is safe to exist for years to come. Basically WWE has their bases covered.
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I brought up some of this stuff about the NFL when debating a certain poster about SD attendance during the Jinder reign. People don't understand that when it comes to watching a show live in the nose bleeds vs watching at home in 4k, home is going to win now. Unless I'm getting ringside seats or it's a house show that's not going to be on tv, I'd just stay home. :yeshrug:I'm sure people look at NFL games like "yeah I could pay for parking, high ass concession stand food prices, and be out in the cold 2 levels up...or I can stay home and watch in 4k in warmth:patrice:".

I'm actually surprised WWE isn't just running Raws and SD from their foreign tours.
 
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They have 5 years to fix attendance. That's when the FOX/USA deals will start to run out and that's also when I expect the entire TV rights fees bubble to burst. It's not a sustainable model. Vince got one last gigantic payoff. It will be up to Hunter and Stephanie to turn the tide in the near future.

If their live gates are awful by the time these deals expire... we may see a huge downsizing comparable to the mid 90s
 
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My quick off the cuff analysis - Detroit is a great wrestling town. .

But they put their new arena downtown without any lightrail service.

Even the Pistons were having trouble drawing a crowd fresh off the Blake Griffin trade.

Growing pains when you're trying to bring your downtown back, plus it was a Tuesday.

After NXT 205 is their best show and Toronto the week before was a great crowd. Best 205 crowd all year.
 
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Another factor to consider is the fact that Detroit is where they advertised Ronda and Brock in March but neither showed up. If you're an adult fan or a parent of a kid who cried because they didn't show, you'd def remember it the next time WWE came into town.
 
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205 was popping last week in T.O. Was shocked how invested the crowd was. They only had to move over about 30 people from camera side to the hard fam facing side to seat fill.
 
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JerseyBoy23 said:
One of the reasons other promotions can't go to a better place is because of WWE though. Most people who get tired of wrestling don't seek out other promotions, they just stop watching wrestling altogether and if they ever do come back they go right back to WWE.

Combine that with the fact that WWE likes to take the best talent from those promotions and we see why no one else gets enough momentum.
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You’re right that when people just stop watch WWE, they just stop wrestling altogether.

But in regards to these other promotions - it’s not about losing the best talent. You don’t need great talent to generate interest - look at how ECW captured fans in the 90s. It’s about story telling and presentation. It’s about doing things different in and out of the ring. Wrestling, at every level, is still ran by out of touch, old or corny white men. At every level, wresting is as bland and uninteresting as ever.
 
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