4 reasons americans are losing interest in owning a home

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I own actually and I live in a pretty damn good area. That being said I highly doubt my kids will keep my home when we're done. Most of the professionals I know who's parents own a home will ultimately sell that shyt because they live in a different state and or already have a home of their own and will spend the next 20 years bulding it up to where they feel comfortable then be posed with the question. "Do i move into mom and dads house or sell it?"
How would anyone in that situation be better off if the parents continued to rent...

Even if your kids dont keep the house, its basically money sitting there for them. As opposed to an apartment, which is just another bill.

People def do RE wrong and it's not for everybody. But if you are in the position to buy, live in, and pay off a place, seems kind of silly to keep renting. And I mean really be in the position, like having 30-40% to put down and pay for all the ancillary costs and being able to save a good amount after paying all your bills. Renting only makes sense if you can't afford to buy or have no need for a permanent residence.
 

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Again.... do u want to be 60... 70... 80 years old at the mercy of a landlord. Its not about taking it with you or having some bullshyt real estate legacy... its about eventually having one less bill to pay. People buy houses on some 'i dont wanna live here but imma just build up equity and bounce' shyt... :ufdup:... if people bought houses with the goal of staying in them forever and eventually paying them off the RE game wouldn't be as fukked up as it is.
Is that what we see now though? Not really. Perhaps when that shift in mindset swaps and property stops becoming a lucrative investment (which it wont becuase it's already a lucrative investment meaning a lot of people would have to want to stop making money off of property)

You want to eliminate a monthly bill you're still gonna have taxes, utilities, maint. on a monthly basis that you don't have in an apartment.

:manny: still not sold on the idea yet. Now I also own rental property and in that regard it makes sense. I'm making money on it. But from a personal level as i'm sitting now homes are more trouble than they are worth.

Maybe the possibility of being able to use your house as collateral? That's been a big plus.
 

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How would anyone in that situation be better off if the parents continued to rent...

Even if your kids dont keep the house, its basically money sitting there for them. As opposed to an apartment, which is just another bill.

People def do RE wrong and it's not for everybody. But if you are in the position to buy, live in, and pay off a place, seems kind of silly to keep renting. And I mean really be in the position, like having 30-40% to put down and pay for all the ancillary costs and being able to save a good amount after paying all your bills. Renting only makes sense if you can't afford to buy or have no need for a permanent residence.
I really wonder what the true benefits are. Obviously space, you get more room and your own piece of land that is yours eventually, those are pluses. It seams more now that people want homes as investments. No real long term goals in mind.

I guess i've seen to many people, even after the last bust, go about the housing thing incorrectly just because it's supposed to be the thing to do.
 

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They might be better off had the parents taken the money they saved over teh years and put them into investments with larger returns?


I really wonder what the true benefits are. Obviously space, you get more room and your own piece of land that is yours eventually, those are pluses. It seams more now that people want homes as investments. No real long term goals in mind.

I guess i've seen to many people, even after the last bust, go about the housing thing incorrectly just because it's supposed to be the thing to do.
 

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Is that what we see now though? Not really. Perhaps when that shift in mindset swaps and property stops becoming a lucrative investment (which it wont becuase it's already a lucrative investment meaning a lot of people would have to want to stop making money off of property)

You want to eliminate a monthly bill you're still gonna have taxes, utilities, maint. on a monthly basis that you don't have in an apartment.

:manny: still not sold on the idea yet. Now I also own rental property and in that regard it makes sense. I'm making money on it. But from a personal level as i'm sitting now homes are more trouble than they are worth.

Maybe the possibility of being able to use your house as collateral? That's been a big plus.
You are going to have taxes and utilities no matter what. And maintenance is rolled into your rent.

Not to mention, you bring up taxes. At the start at least, buying a home yields some pretty healthy tax savings.

Again... can you explain a scenario in which someone would be better off renting for 30 yrs than paying off a mortgage? I just don't see it, especially considering in many cases comparable properties have a lower monthly cost to own than to rent in most of the country (which makes rental properties feasible/profitable to own).

I think you are just being contrarian/argumentative.
 

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I really wonder what the true benefits are. Obviously space, you get more room and your own piece of land that is yours eventually, those are pluses. It seams more now that people want homes as investments. No real long term goals in mind.

I guess i've seen to many people, even after the last bust, go about the housing thing incorrectly just because it's supposed to be the thing to do.
People making stupid home buying decisions doesn't make buying homes for the right reasons a bad idea.
 

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ameri...ning-a-home-210647970.html?source=Patrick.net

Americans now view a home as a poor investment.
The Case-Shiller-Thompson survey of home buyer expectations shows potential buyers, on average, expect a home to appreciate just 3% per year over the next decade. That’s about 1.5 percentage points lower than the average mortgage rate right now, which means money invested in a home would basically offer a negative return. In 2004, near the peak of the bubble, the expectation was a 12% annual gain for a decade. That was clearly outlandish, yet in a healthy market, expected gains on a home should at least be higher than the average mortgage rate. When it’s lower, rational people will spend their money on something else.

More young people may prefer renting. Many Americans in their 20s and early 30s found jobs tough to come by during the recession, while also dealing with onerous levels of student debt. Committing to a big purchase like a home may be the last thing they’re able or willing to do as the economy recovers. It remains to be seen whether young workers will generally sour on homeownership, or just end up owning homes later in life than their parents. For now, however, they seem to prefer renting in cities over growing roots in the suburbs or other places where homes tend to be more affordable for first-time buyers. (And some, regretfully, are still living with their parents.)

Institutional buyers may be largely responsible for the housing rebound. Sales of residential properties to investors spiked in 2012, to about 8% of total sales, according to research firm RealtyTrac. That may not sound like a large percentage of the total, but in a market characterized by tepid demand and limited supply, investor activity may have been enough to account for much of the 11% gain in home prices in 2013. If so, that may have created the false impression that healthy demand from ordinary buyers was pushing up prices. With interest rates and home prices both heading higher in 2014, housing may be less of a buyer’s market, scaring off investors hoping to buy at the bottom. That could reveal a market in which fundamental demand is weaker than expected.

Americans are spooked about the entire economic outlook.Consumer confidence has been up and down and remains far belowwhere it was before the recession. The portion of Americans who feel the country is on the wrong track is more than 30 points higher than those who feel things are going right. Buying a home generally requires a sense of optimism about your own circumstances and, more broadly, the economy in general. Americans aren’t feeling it.

It’s entirely possible that, at some basic level, homeownership still retains the same allure it has for the past 50 years, and we’re still in the process of shaking off the psychological and financial sting of the housing bust. In the meantime, however, homes are getting less affordable, especially for first-timers. Tomorrow's homeowners could be waiting themselves out of the market.
But they would rather rent from someone.? Makes no sense. I'd rather own any day and collect from dummies like these
 

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You are going to have taxes and utilities no matter what. And maintenance is rolled into your rent.

Not to mention, you bring up taxes. At the start at least, buying a home yields some pretty healthy tax savings.

Again... can you explain a scenario in which someone would be better off renting for 30 yrs than paying off a mortgage? I just don't see it, especially considering in many cases comparable properties have a lower monthly cost to own than to rent in most of the country (which makes rental properties feasible/profitable to own).

I think you are just being contrarian/argumentative.
I'm not trying to be contrary at all just saying buy is not for everyone, nor is it horrible if you don't buy.

People don't buy to save money, typically to save for buying a house.

I think there are a lot of benefits to either owning a condo or actually renting an apartment.

Looking at homes in my area they run between 250-500k. There are some decent condos right up the street that benefit from the taxes being paid on those homes in terms of schools and all that jaz, with a pool, tennis court, basketball court, indoor gym. Rent = 850. My mortage is more than that and I don't have a pool. I happen to know that utilities are included, well water anyways, electric is still what it is.

My son's friend lives in these and where my electric bill is in the 400's during the summer, his parents chill out at 160-200. They don't pay water. 850 + electric. $1100 bucks a month to live in a well kept place. Now i also happen to know the cost to get into one of these condo's is about 60k. My son's friend is renting, he doesn't own.

When their AC went out last year, they didn't pay for it. When a water main breaks they don't pay for it. The parents make good money and live comfortably. So do I.

:manny:

Still not seeing the massive overall benefit, and frankly you're not saying anything that's blowing my mind making renting < owning.
 

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House vs Townhouse vs Condo

If you were to buy...which one would you choose?
 

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I'm not trying to be contrary at all just saying buy is not for everyone, nor is it horrible if you don't buy.

People don't buy to save money, typically to save for buying a house.

I think there are a lot of benefits to either owning a condo or actually renting an apartment.

Looking at homes in my area they run between 250-500k. There are some decent condos right up the street that benefit from the taxes being paid on those homes in terms of schools and all that jaz, with a pool, tennis court, basketball court, indoor gym. Rent = 850. My mortage is more than that and I don't have a pool. I happen to know that utilities are included, well water anyways, electric is still what it is.

My son's friend lives in these and where my electric bill is in the 400's during the summer, his parents chill out at 160-200. They don't pay water. 850 + electric. $1100 bucks a month to live in a well kept place. Now i also happen to know the cost to get into one of these condo's is about 60k. My son's friend is renting, he doesn't own.

When their AC went out last year, they didn't pay for it. When a water main breaks they don't pay for it. The parents make good money and live comfortably. So do I.

:manny:

Still not seeing the massive overall benefit, and frankly you're not saying anything that's blowing my mind making renting < owning.

Your friend's rent is 850 today. Next year it could be 800. Or it could be 900. 1000. Etc. etc. In the long run though it will definitely go up, if for nothing else to cover the increasing property taxes and maintenance costs. Meanwhile a mortgage is what it is. Eventually your friend's rent will be more than your mortgage.

Not to mention, I'm pretty sure your friend's apartment is smaller than your house. Probably half the size by square feet. He probably has less people living in his house too. That would explain the lower utilities.

And again, eventually you won't have a mortgage. Renters will always have rent. For someone who owns all this property, you seem to think like a dude living check to check :dwillhuh:
 

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Your friend's rent is 850 today. Next year it could be 800. Or it could be 900. 1000. Etc. etc. In the long run though it will definitely go up, if for nothing else to cover the increasing property taxes and maintenance costs. Meanwhile a mortgage is what it is. Eventually your friend's rent will be more than your mortgage.

Not to mention, I'm pretty sure your friend's apartment is smaller than your house. Probably half the size by square feet. He probably has less people living in his house too. That would explain the lower utilities.

And again, eventually you won't have a mortgage. Renters will always have rent. For someone who owns all this property, you seem to think like a dude living check to check :dwillhuh:
On a personal level I wouldn't mind living in a condo. I have too much house... that's my own fault though. As for owning rental properties i said if you're going to use it as a means to make money then absolutely it's great. I can't complain. On a personal level though there are benefits.

I do have more space than that other family, by about 1500 square feet. Both families are happy. I have 3 kids he has 2. Utilities are cheaper because A he doesn't pay for water, doesn't have to keep up a lawn, doesn't have to pay for the water going into the pool, has to cool a much smaller space.

I don't know how much he makes but based on where he does work and what he does do i'd venture i'm making about 30k more a year than him easy. He's not hurting, he's got stock investments, his kids are in all the same programs as mine, sports, dude drives a nice car, so does his wife. 30 years from now I wont have a mortgage, he will...but he will have had 30 years, 30 of the best years of his life with an equal amount of disposable income to someone making 30k more than him.

I have a rental property with 4 apartments that pays for itself and about $1000 bucks positive cash flow a month. :manny: I've also owned other properties over the years. So yeah, they're great from an investment standpoint if you're going to make money off of them...but again it's not the end all be all to own a house.
 

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House. I like having a yard and :pacspit: Association Fee rape.
Out here in AZ the association fees come with new houses too so unless you're moving into a historical district you get burned that way too...but yeah if you can get into a place without that it's a bonus, otherwise someone in a golfcart goes around telling you what type and how many bushes you have to have in your front yard.
 

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On a personal level I wouldn't mind living in a condo. I have too much house... that's my own fault though. As for owning rental properties i said if you're going to use it as a means to make money then absolutely it's great. I can't complain. On a personal level though there are benefits.

I do have more space than that other family, by about 1500 square feet. Both families are happy. I have 3 kids he has 2. Utilities are cheaper because A he doesn't pay for water, doesn't have to keep up a lawn, doesn't have to pay for the water going into the pool, has to cool a much smaller space.

I don't know how much he makes but based on where he does work and what he does do i'd venture i'm making about 30k more a year than him easy. He's not hurting, he's got stock investments, his kids are in all the same programs as mine, sports, dude drives a nice car, so does his wife. 30 years from now I wont have a mortgage, he will...but he will have had 30 years, 30 of the best years of his life with an equal amount of disposable income to someone making 30k more than him.

I have a rental property with 4 apartments that pays for itself and about $1000 bucks positive cash flow a month. :manny: I've also owned other properties over the years. So yeah, they're great from an investment standpoint if you're going to make money off of them...but again it's not the end all be all to own a house.

Most of your beefs are with buying too big of a house, not buying a house period. Maintenance washes out too because he will always have to pay maintenance fees, whereas a lot of the shyt he's paying for you can do for free. And even in a condo vs apt the condo wins out. It's the same space, but again, at some point you won't have that huge bill every month in the condo, while you always will in the apartment, increasing beyond your control. In the long run owning property always makes sense as long as you dont do it wrong (i.e. buying too much house)
 
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