2Pac felt Biggie stole his style on Ready to Die & Ad-lib "Baby Baby"

[inndaskKy]

Ballerina P stanley ducktales squashed in the thread:

Lie #1 - Biggie copied Pac for R2D.
- The truth: according to Easy Mo Bee, Pac was the one begging him for beats like the ones Biggie used on R2D and Party n Bullshyt

Typical Biggie fans, only hearing the parts that are convenient to what they want to believe happened rather than taking in information critically, making Biggie out to be the hero and calling Pac paranoid/a liar.

First off, try to evaluate how reliable and precise Mo Bee's memories of events are. Then, second, peep several of his interviews on this topic to get a clearer picture of how things likely went down.

Yes, Mo Bee recorded with Biggie first. Note how he specifically remembers him mentioning Party & Bullshyt, a song Pac famously later said was Biggie's (different) style before they met. Pac tells him he liked his work on it. This is almost a year before Ready 2 Die is released. Mo Bee's songs from R2D are already recorded by then (some of the first songs recorded for R2D) but from how he tells it it is not clear whether 2pac actually heard them or whether it was really only Party & Bullshyt that 2pac was familiar with and Mo Bee didn't remember the timeline of when the records came out.

Then consider the fact that Mo Bee has said in another interview that one of the first things Pac ever said to him (in late '93) was what songs to sample for the first tracks he wanted him to produce (Straight Ballin' and Runnin'). In other words, 2Pac actually influenced Mo Bee's sound on some of his work rather than just tacking onto Mo Bee's already established sound. Pac also put Biggie on these records which were mostly intended for Thug Life.

Next, consider that Mo Bee recorded Pac & Big on the same track (Runnin' OG) a year before R2D was released and before R2D was even fully recorded. Mo Bee says he wasn't aware that Biggie would be on the record until he just showed up to the studio. He says he brought Junior Mafia too and that it was so packed in the studio because everybody wanted to see Pac and his unique recording process. Mo Bee also says Biggie was on the original Straight Ballin' (which may or may not be a correct recollection). Now remember that Mo Bee says Biggie complained that he was supposed to have gotten the tracks that he later hears 2pac recorded to (If I Die 2Nite, Temptations). It's fair to say Biggie was really paying attention to Pac's developing work with Mo Bee.

So when we take all these things together, yes, Biggie was the link between 2pac and Mo Bee but from that point on it was 2pac's sessions with him that Mo Bee recalls as catching Biggie's attention rather than the other way around. Then realize that some of the more blatant examples that people give of Big sounding like Pac is Everyday Struggle, which is not a Moe Bee record and not one of the earliest ones recorded for R2D.

The Mo Bee sessions with 2pac are actually some of the very sessions that Biggie was inspired by it seems. Biggie was making aggressive stick up music with Mo Bee before that (in early 1993). He quit recording for the album until 1994 according to XXL. At the end of 1993 he attends some of 2pac's sessions with Mo Bee. He came in with more versatility in the 1994 sessions, after having seen and heard how 2pac used his own producer in a different way. He started making songs about the struggle, depression and songs for the ladies after that. A la Thug Life, Me Against The World, R U Still Down? and, yes, Scarface who Pac was inspired by as well. The crucial difference is, Biggie drew inspiration from the songs he personally saw/heard Pac record and benefitted from that sound on his first album before Pac had a chance to release the sound from most of those songs himself. That's what makes it different from how Pac was influenced by guys like Scarface, Ice Cube and KRS.

 

[EBK String]

Typical Biggie fans, only hearing the parts that are convenient to what they want to believe happened rather than taking in information critically, making Biggie out to be the hero and calling Pac paranoid/a liar.

First off, try to evaluate how reliable and precise Mo Bee's memories of events are. Then, second, peep several of his interviews on this topic to get a clearer picture of how things likely went down.

Yes, Mo Bee recorded with Biggie first. Note how he specifically remembers him mentioning Party & Bullshyt, a song Pac famously later said was Biggie's (different) style before they met. Pac tells him he liked his work on it. This is almost a year before Ready 2 Die is released. Mo Bee's songs from R2D are already recorded by then (some of the first songs recorded for R2D) but from how he tells it it is not clear whether 2pac actually heard them or whether it was really only Party & Bullshyt that 2pac was familiar with and Mo Bee didn't remember the timeline of when the records came out.

Then consider the fact that Mo Bee has said in another interview that one of the first things Pac ever said to him (in late '93) was what songs to sample for the first tracks he wanted him to produce (Straight Ballin' and Runnin'). In other words, 2Pac actually influenced Mo Bee's sound on some of his work rather than just tacking onto Mo Bee's already established sound. Pac also put Biggie on these records which were mostly intended for Thug Life.

Next, consider that Mo Bee recorded Pac & Big on the same track (Runnin' OG) a year before R2D was released and before R2D was even fully recorded. Mo Bee says he wasn't aware that Biggie would be on the record until he just showed up to the studio. He says he brought Junior Mafia too and that it was so packed in the studio because everybody wanted to see Pac and his unique recording process. Mo Bee also says Biggie was on the original Straight Ballin' (which may or may not be a correct recollection). Now remember that Mo Bee says Biggie complained that he was supposed to have gotten the tracks that he later hears 2pac recorded to (If I Die 2Nite, Temptations). It's fair to say Biggie was really paying attention to Pac's developing work with Mo Bee.

So when we take all these things together, yes, Biggie was the link between 2pac and Mo Bee but from that point on it was 2pac's sessions with him that Mo Bee recalls as catching Biggie's attention rather than the other way around. Then realize that some of the more blatant examples that people give of Big sounding like Pac is Everyday Struggle, which is not a Moe Bee record and not one of the earliest ones recorded for R2D.

The Mo Bee sessions with 2pac are actually some of the very sessions that Biggie was inspired by it seems. Biggie was making aggressive stick up music with Mo Bee before that (in early 1993). He quit recording for the album until 1994 according to XXL. At the end of 1993 he attends some of 2pac's sessions with Mo Bee. He came in with more versatility in the 1994 sessions, after having seen and heard how 2pac used his own producer in a different way. He started making songs about the struggle, depression and songs for the ladies after that. A la Thug Life, Me Against The World, R U Still Down? and, yes, Scarface who Pac was inspired by as well. The crucial difference is, Biggie drew inspiration from the songs he personally saw/heard Pac record and benefitted from that sound on his first album before Pac had a chance to release the sound from most of those songs himself. That's what makes it different from how Pac was influenced by guys like Scarface, Ice Cube and KRS.

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[Cladyclad]

Pac never said Biggie sounds like him. Ur creating an argument and answering it.

Huh so what are we taking about then

So wtf was Pac talking about in Hit Em up?

I’m confused

 

[Knicksman20]

Typical Biggie fans, only hearing the parts that are convenient to what they want to believe happened rather than taking in information critically, making Biggie out to be the hero and calling Pac paranoid/a liar.

First off, try to evaluate how reliable and precise Mo Bee's memories of events are. Then, second, peep several of his interviews on this topic to get a clearer picture of how things likely went down.

Yes, Mo Bee recorded with Biggie first. Note how he specifically remembers him mentioning Party & Bullshyt, a song Pac famously later said was Biggie's (different) style before they met. Pac tells him he liked his work on it. This is almost a year before Ready 2 Die is released. Mo Bee's songs from R2D are already recorded by then (some of the first songs recorded for R2D) but from how he tells it it is not clear whether 2pac actually heard them or whether it was really only Party & Bullshyt that 2pac was familiar with and Mo Bee didn't remember the timeline of when the records came out.

Then consider the fact that Mo Bee has said in another interview that one of the first things Pac ever said to him (in late '93) was what songs to sample for the first tracks he wanted him to produce (Straight Ballin' and Runnin'). In other words, 2Pac actually influenced Mo Bee's sound on some of his work rather than just tacking onto Mo Bee's already established sound. Pac also put Biggie on these records which were mostly intended for Thug Life.

Next, consider that Mo Bee recorded Pac & Big on the same track (Runnin' OG) a year before R2D was released and before R2D was even fully recorded. Mo Bee says he wasn't aware that Biggie would be on the record until he just showed up to the studio. He says he brought Junior Mafia too and that it was so packed in the studio because everybody wanted to see Pac and his unique recording process. Mo Bee also says Biggie was on the original Straight Ballin' (which may or may not be a correct recollection). Now remember that Mo Bee says Biggie complained that he was supposed to have gotten the tracks that he later hears 2pac recorded to (If I Die 2Nite, Temptations). It's fair to say Biggie was really paying attention to Pac's developing work with Mo Bee.

So when we take all these things together, yes, Biggie was the link between 2pac and Mo Bee but from that point on it was 2pac's sessions with him that Mo Bee recalls as catching Biggie's attention rather than the other way around. Then realize that some of the more blatant examples that people give of Big sounding like Pac is Everyday Struggle, which is not a Moe Bee record and not one of the earliest ones recorded for R2D.

The Mo Bee sessions with 2pac are actually some of the very sessions that Biggie was inspired by it seems. Biggie was making aggressive stick up music with Mo Bee before that (in early 1993). He quit recording for the album until 1994 according to XXL. At the end of 1993 he attends some of 2pac's sessions with Mo Bee. He came in with more versatility in the 1994 sessions, after having seen and heard how 2pac used his own producer in a different way. He started making songs about the struggle, depression and songs for the ladies after that. A la Thug Life, Me Against The World, R U Still Down? and, yes, Scarface who Pac was inspired by as well. The crucial difference is, Biggie drew inspiration from the songs he personally saw/heard Pac record and benefitted from that sound on his first album before Pac had a chance to release the sound from most of those songs himself. That's what makes it different from how Pac was influenced by guys like Scarface, Ice Cube and KRS.

No bro lol. Some of this is totally inaccurate & you’re just stanning Pac. Easy Mo Bee told the recording stories over the years. Pac’s beats were on a dat when Big was recording & you can’t rewind them; they just play from start to finish. Big heard the beats Easy Mo Bee had for Pac like that & either thought it his or wanted them for himself. He did the exact same shyt with Clark Kent who was Big’s road DJ & producer for Junior Mafia. He heard the Mad Skillz beat & wanted it, he heard Clark’s beats for Jay & wanted them too. Either you didn’t know this or you’re being disingenuous. It had very little to do with “paying attention to Pac’s work” lol

But the whole point of this is, was Big influenced by Pac? Most definitely & Pac gave him game & Big ran with it. Nothing more, nothing less

 

[UpAndComing]

This thread is weird. Biggie did not sound like Tupac on Everyday Struggle or any song. Pac super stans are something else





Biggie got alot of his style from King T , not Pac

 

[spliz]

Why do nikkas keep coming in here quoting King Tee? Everyone knows he was influenced by King Tee. Is this some kind of diversion tactic or some shyt? U nikkas aren’t very self aware. Y’all yelling Pac Stan’s this and Pac Stan’s that but don’t really see how y’all looking. Lol

 

[Nomad1]

Typical Biggie fans, only hearing the parts that are convenient to what they want to believe happened rather than taking in information critically, making Biggie out to be the hero and calling Pac paranoid/a liar.

First off, try to evaluate how reliable and precise Mo Bee's memories of events are. Then, second, peep several of his interviews on this topic to get a clearer picture of how things likely went down.

Yes, Mo Bee recorded with Biggie first. Note how he specifically remembers him mentioning Party & Bullshyt, a song Pac famously later said was Biggie's (different) style before they met. Pac tells him he liked his work on it. This is almost a year before Ready 2 Die is released. Mo Bee's songs from R2D are already recorded by then (some of the first songs recorded for R2D) but from how he tells it it is not clear whether 2pac actually heard them or whether it was really only Party & Bullshyt that 2pac was familiar with and Mo Bee didn't remember the timeline of when the records came out.

Then consider the fact that Mo Bee has said in another interview that one of the first things Pac ever said to him (in late '93) was what songs to sample for the first tracks he wanted him to produce (Straight Ballin' and Runnin'). In other words, 2Pac actually influenced Mo Bee's sound on some of his work rather than just tacking onto Mo Bee's already established sound. Pac also put Biggie on these records which were mostly intended for Thug Life.

Next, consider that Mo Bee recorded Pac & Big on the same track (Runnin' OG) a year before R2D was released and before R2D was even fully recorded. Mo Bee says he wasn't aware that Biggie would be on the record until he just showed up to the studio. He says he brought Junior Mafia too and that it was so packed in the studio because everybody wanted to see Pac and his unique recording process. Mo Bee also says Biggie was on the original Straight Ballin' (which may or may not be a correct recollection). Now remember that Mo Bee says Biggie complained that he was supposed to have gotten the tracks that he later hears 2pac recorded to (If I Die 2Nite, Temptations). It's fair to say Biggie was really paying attention to Pac's developing work with Mo Bee.

So when we take all these things together, yes, Biggie was the link between 2pac and Mo Bee but from that point on it was 2pac's sessions with him that Mo Bee recalls as catching Biggie's attention rather than the other way around. Then realize that some of the more blatant examples that people give of Big sounding like Pac is Everyday Struggle, which is not a Moe Bee record and not one of the earliest ones recorded for R2D.

The Mo Bee sessions with 2pac are actually some of the very sessions that Biggie was inspired by it seems. Biggie was making aggressive stick up music with Mo Bee before that (in early 1993). He quit recording for the album until 1994 according to XXL. At the end of 1993 he attends some of 2pac's sessions with Mo Bee. He came in with more versatility in the 1994 sessions, after having seen and heard how 2pac used his own producer in a different way. He started making songs about the struggle, depression and songs for the ladies after that. A la Thug Life, Me Against The World, R U Still Down? and, yes, Scarface who Pac was inspired by as well. The crucial difference is, Biggie drew inspiration from the songs he personally saw/heard Pac record and benefitted from that sound on his first album before Pac had a chance to release the sound from most of those songs himself. That's what makes it different from how Pac was influenced by guys like Scarface, Ice Cube and KRS.

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[Bondye Vodou]

Typical Biggie fans, only hearing the parts that are convenient to what they want to believe happened rather than taking in information critically, making Biggie out to be the hero and calling Pac paranoid/a liar.

First off, try to evaluate how reliable and precise Mo Bee's memories of events are. Then, second, peep several of his interviews on this topic to get a clearer picture of how things likely went down.

Ima take Mo Bee's word on how it happened over some demented Pac stan any day of the Week.

Mo Bee was there, u nikkas wasn't.



According the PRODUCER who worked on both albums Pac was the one BEGGING for beats like the ones Biggie had on Ready to Die.


Good knows what other ideas Ballerina P took from R2D then tried to say Biggie stole it from him


But y'all nikkas can continue to play obtuse, gaslight, and lie through ya rotten teeth. Cause it's obviously what helps y'all sleep better at nights, the fantasy of R2D being a Pac album, and Biggie being a Pac clone.

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[ucanthandlethetruth]

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Ima take Mo Bee's word on how it happened over some demented Pac stan any day of the Week.

Mo Bee was there, u nikkas wasn't.



According the PRODUCER who worked on both albums Pac was the one BEGGING for beats like the ones Biggie had on Ready to Die.


Good knows what other ideas Ballerina P took from R2D then tried to say Biggie stole it from him


But y'all nikkas can continue to play obtuse, gaslight, and lie through ya rotten teeth. Cause it's obviously what helps y'all sleep better at nights, the fantasy of R2D being a Pac album, and Biggie being a Pac clone.

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Do you see these nikkas now That easy mo bee shyt legit got souls burnin lol brehs scramblin and co sighning fellow stans opinions to ease the pain breh really wrote an essay about HIS opinion about what easy mo bee must have meant lol lol..no nikkas..pac stans = MAGA of hip hop this is exhibit A that you talking to nikkas not all there mentally does the coli see it now not sure they gonna ever recover from this one breh

 

[ucanthandlethetruth]

"Yo easy mo bee I want my album to sound like RTD" - Tupac Shakur

that one line is and you bring up a excellent point now we gotta go back and really see what else pac stole from Biggie

 

[Youngblood Priest]

Ummm, yall do know MATW was recorded after he'd already done his album right? Ya know, the album that was scratched due to nikkaz taking his style/sound. So actually he had an album done, and then went and did MATW. Known fact. One of those posthumous albums was to be released, not MATW. He did a whole new album for that reason.

 

[Unolove]

Every rapper is influenced by Tupac nikka it’s Tupac

 

[spliz]

Ummm, yall do know MATW was recorded after he'd already done his album right? Ya know, the album that was scratched due to nikkaz taking his style/sound. So actually he had an album done, and then went and did MATW. Known fact. One of those posthumous albums was to be released, not MATW. He did a whole new album for that reason.

Pac said this himself. There’s tracks that ended up on R U Still Down from those sessions.

 

[Nomad1]

"Yo easy mo bee I want my album to sound like RTD" - Tupac Shakur

that one line is and you bring up a excellent point now we gotta go back and really see what else pac stole from Biggie

Biggie stans in shambles
It’s okay, Biggie was learning the ropes thru Pac it’s about time Biggie stans accept the truth.

 

[ucanthandlethetruth]

Biggie stans in shambles
It’s okay, Biggie was learning the ropes thru Pac it’s about time Biggie stans accept the truth.

“I was like, ‘What you want from me?’” Easy Mo Bee says. “[Shakur] said, ‘I like the stuff you did on Big’s album