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[DJ Mart-Kos]

I like to sample cuz its like you're catching a moment in time with whatever you're sampling..Plus its the essence of hip hop, I don't think you can capture that essence without sampling. Non sampled hip hop is never really soulful or funky

This is not true. It's just harder to be soulful/funky when you don't sample.

 

[DrHackenbush]

Well that makes sense. I produce r&b and ambient music tho. A chopped sample fukks everything up

Creating your own crescendo and melodies >>>>>>>>>>>>>

yeah man I feel that, for other genres sampling isn't as key and doesn't work as well. I like to sample old shyt because these were some incredible musicians also, much better musically than anything I'd ever be capable of..Plus it's like your keeping their legacy alive, taking something they did and making it into something new, people might find what you sampled and then explore that musician or band more and open themselves up to a whole new sound or style of music. Keeps everything in a loop

 

[DrHackenbush]

This is not true. It's just harder to be soulful/funky when you don't sample.

maybe if you're rocking with a live band etc its different, but some cat sat at his computer composing from scratch ain't really gonna capture that essence like that

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

I just feel like they're so limiting to my imagination

and if someone finds the same Loop pack or the same sample that you used, the beats will sound similar

and I dont want my shyt to sound like anybody's

i prefer to use VSTs to compose my own guitars, strings, drums, etc.

I'm opening to exploring using loops and samples tho, but i just need to know how do yall feel about them and why do you like them?

I'm with you. Hip Hop was born out of not having access to instruments and/or not knowing how to use them, that day is now over due to technology. I think some people feel you have to sample when they start off producing because it's so ingrained in Hip Hop. I personally feel music has evolved past sampling old records. Thirty plus years of it has worn out the novelty and if I don't listen to that original music, then why would I want to hear it in another form? I'm speaking about the tracks that rely heavily on certain aspects of songs where the original song is the primary focal point. I'm beyond tired of sped up or slowed down James Brown records and that entire style of producing. I'm cool with sampling drums and things of that nature. With all of that being said; I do see the art, creativity and ingenuity in sampling and I respect it.

If I get a drumkit and it has loops, the loops get deleted asap because it only takes up space on my computer. Like you, I feel loops are limiting to my creativity and that I'm somehow cheating by using them. It would be like using a stencil or tracing something to draw and then call myself a great freehand artist. I think loops can enable the learning process of making beats but I honestly don't respect it. Someone is going to have to come up with a good argument in order to justify the use of loops because I just can't see it. I guess it just a form of sampling too.

To me it's more fun to start from scratch and make a track. From a business standpoint it also makes more sense. I would feel like a sucker making a track then begging someone else for permission to use it. "I can't use it so imma just throw it out there for free then." FOH!

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[Why-Fi]

I like to sample cuz its like you're catching a moment in time with whatever you're sampling..Plus its the essence of hip hop, I don't think you can capture that essence without sampling. Non sampled hip hop is never really soulful or funky

non sampled beats can definitely be soulful and funky. teddy riley and dwele come to mind...plus the funky stuff we sample isnt sampled

Well that makes sense. I produce r&b and ambient music tho. A chopped sample fukks everything up

Creating your own crescendo and melodies >>>>>>>>>>>>>

i do both types of beats. you can play whatever you want indeed, but things "happen" when you mess with samples, things that you would never in 100 lifetimes think to play. just browse whosampled.com sometimes and check out how dilla, premo, pete rock do their samples. its a different type of talent...

loops are cool if they arent overused or if they are caught on an odd beat, or used in a unique way. slum village "get dis money" is built around a straight herbie hancock loop, and you can clearly hear it, but who in the fukk would think to use it the way dilla did.

 

[head shots101]

I fukks with loops too....I dug and found this ill Genesis loop in the middle of the track the other day man

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

I do both sampled and non-sampled beats but the melodies that are played in my samples i would never come up myself.

 

[Nomadum]

I just feel like they're so limiting to my imagination

and if someone finds the same Loop pack or the same sample that you used, the beats will sound similar

and I dont want my shyt to sound like anybody's

i prefer to use VSTs to compose my own guitars, strings, drums, etc.

I'm opening to exploring using loops and samples tho, but i just need to know how do yall feel about them and why do you like them?

think it all stims back to the limit space available on samplers in the birth of the hip-hop genre. for example, the Sp1200 had only 10 seconds worth of sampling time. meaning all your drums, your bass, and your samples had to be within that 10 second time frame. now you could do multi-track recording but due to limited budgets in the early days, that was next to impossible.

so looping and utilizing samples which had a nice drum melody or vocals aided in a producer finding the 'right' sounds he needed to make a track (again, with only 10 seconds of sample time)

shyt just became a 'tradition'

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

If i was in the SP1200 days i would buy 3 of these machines to get more sampling-time.

 

[Sugar]

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[Nomadum]

If i was in the SP1200 days i would buy 3 of these machines to get more sampling-time.

You didn't have the range of ability of linking multiple samplers together then-then you have now. you'd required a multi-track recorder to link the 3 samplers together (properly) . editing back then also was not as easy as Highlight-Delete/edit as it is now with DAWs. buying 3 SP1200's back in the day without the technical knowledge of recording on a multi-track recording system would've done nothing for your 10 second limit.

 

[Nomadum]

Only 10 seconds??

Yep, 12-bit sampler with 10 seconds of sample time.
but the beauty in that system came in the way it added punch to drums. so although you were limited in time, it made up in other areas.

 

[Nomadum]

This is not true. It's just harder to be soulful/funky when you don't sample.

that's not true breh,
I can not name any tracks off the top of my head but I've heard some non-sampled rap cuts that would soulful and funky.

ultimately what it boils down to is;
A). the creativity of the producer(s)
B). what they work with best be it sampling or non-sampling

 

[head shots101]

You didn't have the range of ability of linking multiple samplers together then-then you have now. you'd required a multi-track recorder to link the 3 samplers together (properly) . editing back then also was not as easy as Highlight-Delete/edit as it is now with DAWs. buying 3 SP1200's back in the day without the technical knowledge of recording on a multi-track recording system would've done nothing for your 10 second limit.

That's why I give so much respect to the old samplers man...how the fukk they made so much ill flips with limited hardware man

 

[Be@t Bangerz Fan]

That's why I give so much respect to the old samplers man...how the fukk they made so much ill flips with limited hardware man

Toomp said it best...They were forced to be creative.