2024 U.S. Presidential Election Thread: Donald Trump wins & will return to the White House; GOP wins U.S. Senate & U.S. House

[Outlaw]

Harris has made multiple foreign policy comments and prescriptions that indicate what she would likely do if voted into office. She herself has said she signs off on Biden's foreign policy and wouldn't do anything different. You can't claim all her commentary and campaign statements are off the table and invalid because she isn't the one setting foreign policy right now and then turn around and use Trump's commentary as valid insight into what he'll do in office. I haven't seen one person on any end of the political spectrum seriously argue that Trump will be pro-Palestinian, so I don't know why you keep making arguments with that strawman. You're just mad that your fearmongering isn't working because the alternative you're supporting is actively committing horrors right now. The anti-Trump argument on this issue would be a lot more persuasive if Biden wasn't currently doing worse things than Trump ever did, with Kamala's backing.

Did Trump have to contend with October 7th?

Didn’t Trump say that Bibi told him Biden is holding him(Bibi) back from doing what he really wants to do?

Things can get a lot worse and you would have to be dishonest to say otherwise

Trump: Biden is Too Tough on Netanyahu

The Republican presidential candidate ridiculously claimed that Biden is “trying to hold” Bibi back, as the Israeli prime minister continued to ruthlessly bomb Lebanon and Gaza.

newrepublic.com

 

[King Kreole]

Sure, will Trump change course? If not the point of contention is moot

No it's not. And this is a really toxic way to treat elections and ensure it's a race to the bottom. Telling people who are currently getting fukked that you're not going to stop fukking them but the other guy will also fukk them so they should support you is completely debased.

 

[Robbie3000]

Harris hasn’t set foreign policy yet. It’s insane how everyone but liberals grade Harris on this Oxford level scale of scrutiny but Trump continues to get graded on some kindergarten level of scrutiny. He continues to get pass after by pass by conservatives and passively by the left.

Trump is literally threatening to turn Gaza into beach front property and allow Israel to completely steamroll the West Bank but progressives essentially say; he’s not in power, we don’t know what he’ll do. Trump continues to get pass after pass, truly white privilege personified

Goddamn breh, the fukk you talking about? Gaza is in ruble, 15,000 kids are dead, refugee camps are being bombed, two million people have been ethnically cleansed, Net and Yahoo has promised he won’t stop. The Westbank is an apartheid state.

How can you demand with a straight face that Arab Americans and Palestinian supporters need to vote for the administration that facilitated all of that?

In the words of Tony Soprano: Where do you get the balls?

 

[wire28]

We haven’t seen this kind of selfish paternalism since the hey day of Jim Crow.

This is like telling black people not to cause trouble for the rest of the nation by engaging in civil disobedience.

These dudes should be ashamed of themselves.

You must have missed the 2016 primaries when white Bernie bros were shytting on you and everybody else black in the south.

 

[Sghost597]

You guys do realize all Arab American aren't just hyper focused on Gaza, right? It's not just one issue. Hell, they might not even vote for any reason regarding Gaza.

So, if an Arab American is voting Trump. I would really doubt that Gaza is their key issue.

 

[Outlaw]

Goddamn breh, the fukk you talking about? Gaza is in ruble, 15,000 kids are dead, refugee camps are being bombed, two million people have been ethnically cleansed, Net and Yahoo has promised he won’t stop. The Westbank is an apartheid state.

How can you demand with a straight face that Arab Americans and Palestinian supporters need to vote for the administration that facilitated all of that?

In the words of Tony Soprano: Where do you get the balls?

They’re not voting for Biden, they would be voting for Kamala. Kamala didn’t set foreign policy in the Biden administration. Kamala shouldn’t be blamed for how Gaza has played out.

 

[King Kreole]

Did Trump have to contend with October 7th?

This counterfactual doesn't matter, we're dealing with the real world.

Didn’t Trump say that Bibi told him Biden is holding him(Bibi) back from doing what he really wants to do?

Trump is an inveterate liar, so I don't put much weight into whatever bullshyt he says. I go by Biden's actions, and his actions are not consistent with providing a meaningful check on Bibi and the genocide of Palestinians.

Things can get a lot worse and you would have to be dishonest to say otherwise

Right, people don't like being threatened into voting with this mafia enforcer logic. We should strive to have the political leaders we support do better than extortion to allow them to continue supporting genocide. There is simply no other issue or coalition where this would be an acceptable message.

 

[wire28]

Continuing to alienate a key voting bloc in must-win Michigan and Blue MAGA thinks it's cute.

This is upsetting. Who should we vote for instead? Who are you voting for?

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Continuing to alienate a key voting bloc in must-win Michigan and Blue MAGA thinks it's cute.

Good get em the fukk out of here.. We got our own shyt deal with like preserving democracy..

 

[Robbie3000]

They’re not voting for Biden, they would be voting for Kamala. Kamala didn’t set foreign policy in the Biden administration. Kamala shouldn’t be blamed for how Gaza has played out.

I voted for Kamala on the first day of early voting in Georgia because I’m hoping she will reverse course. (Although I’m not holding my breath)

But it would be beyond the height of arrogance to demand that people who are more closely linked to Gaza via religion and/or ethnicity do the same.

Put yourself in their shoes and stop being a self centered a$$hole.

 

[Sghost597]

 

[Outlaw]

This counterfactual doesn't matter, we're dealing with the real world.


Trump is an inveterate liar, so I don't put much weight into whatever bullshyt he says. I go by Biden's actions, and his actions are not consistent with providing a meaningful check on Bibi and the genocide of Palestinians.

This is exactly what I mean. Trump can say insanely fascist and genocidal shyt but he’s constantly ignored or given a pass because it’s Trump. Kamala says she wouldn’t break from Biden because you know she’s his VP and doesn’t want to undermine him but that is no guarantee that she won’t change course once the election is over.

Kamala is given zero grace but Trump is constantly graded on a curve, that type of mentality is why he’s able to go on stage and do everything but foam at the mouth like a rabid dog and seem perfectly “sane”.

Trump says he’ll deport protestors,
Trump he’ll allow Bibi to finish the job
Trump calls democrats Palestinians as a slur
Trump says Biden is TOO soft on Bibi,
Trump says he’ll use the military against US citizens

Everyone but liberals: ahh he doesn’t mean it, it’s Trump.

 

[Sghost597]

 

[mastermind]

It failed spectacularly with Hillary. It's certainly a riskier play than just running as the "generic Democrat." A "normal liberal" campaign would be in a far stronger position I think, you can trace this stalling of Kamala's momentum to her rightward shift.

I actually do understand the theory behind it, but it's a huge gamble to put so much effort into swinging high-propensity Republicans. It may work, but at what cost?

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[King Kreole]

Notice how the thread is infected with these witless automatons who respond to every criticism of the Harris campaign with this Stasi-esque demand to know who you're voting for.

They've completely given up on even attempting to justify the bullshyt they're spewing or engage in debate like HL is supposed to foster. They don't care about issues or policy, they're just poll-addicted sports fans sitting in their adult diaper on the casino floor pulling the lever on the election slot machine in perpetuity.