2024 U.S. Presidential Election Thread: Donald Trump wins & will return to the White House; GOP wins U.S. Senate & U.S. House

[the cac mamba]

 

[KushSkywalker]

Would RFK dropping out and endorsing Trump boost Trump's polling?

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Smooth mind and the two white men are really showing their ass.

The DNC is definitely a hit

Here's the thing.... they see ZERO VALUE in protesting at Trump rallies and that's wild..... It's election season. Trump is still slightly favored in some places and is on record saying "wipe them out" and "finish the job"

But there's no value there...

 

[ill_will82]

I don’t get this strategy. I know he’s trying to plant the seeds of saying it was stolen but why would you rely strictly on that and not try to get as many votes as possible?

fukk it. Let Trump keep rambling into nowhere land while his numbers continue to plummet while Harris numbers keep surging . Kamala's might start running away with the race by late September/October. Trump doesn't give a fukk as long as he can stroke his own ego which is going to lead to his downfall in November.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Would RFK dropping out and endorsing Trump boost Trump's polling?

I think it does slightly but I also think RFK's numbers have been exaggerated to this point. But Kamala is also winning a lot of the head to head polls with Trump so I don't think it drastically changes the outlook.

 

[Frump]

 

[ill_will82]

It would be nice to simply post tweets without a link showing up in place of the actual tweet.

 

[Reality Check]

some kind of nuclear fallout?

 

[GhostoftheMan]

i think calls were made, i see him dropping out and making it a two-person race. probably wrong but rfk has been too cool with him

 

[Smoking With Cigarettes]

I agree that she seems to have made a calculation that keeping the values she came into Congress with were too inhibitory to growing inside the system, so she moderated. That's laudable if you're her campaign manager or boyfriend, but if you're an activist or even just a random person who shared her values, that sucks. Too many people treat politics like they're the former though. We have no reason to give her credit for dropping her ideals to stay in the race. We should only care about her usefulness to the cause.


Assuming you're speaking about the Uncommitted Movement specifically, she's kind of held them at an arm's length and recognized their right to speak up but has not personally endorsed their perspective. More broadly, she has a spotty record when it comes to the Pro-Palestinian movement and most notably got flak for trying to center the issue of anti-Semitism in the left.

As for her DNC speech, the limitations there were her own personal ambitions and courage. The movement doesn't care about her personal goals, she is a tool to enact good policy like every other politician. If they fail in that regard, they should be discarded.

I honestly don't know if this country is capable of fully correcting the history of white supremacy and overall racism. It's built into the very structures of the country, the very bones. The wood beams are so waterlogged and rotted that I'm not sure this is a reno job, I think it might be a total rebuild. In general I promote people getting engaged with the electoral system, but I also believe too many people have an over-reliance on elections as the sole vehicle for enacting political change, when in reality it's just one tool amongst many. There used to be many non-electoral political institutions like the church and unions that delivered direct results to people's lives, but Reagan and his neoliberal children eviscerated the very idea of the common good, so we're fighting in the dark.

But within the scope of electoralism, I don't even have a problem with leading with the issues you laid out, but when you get to the issue of the active genocide - which you must because it's a highly salient issue - you can't have some mealy-mouth position. AOC mentioned a bunch of other issues before getting to Gaza, and I was fine with the speech until that point.


Let me be clear, I'm not advocating primarying AOC. She's one of the best members of Congress. Which tells you something about the ideological strictures of electoral politics. She has just failed to take a serious progressive stance on this issue. I don't think she's a turncoat heretic who should be ostracized from the Progressive movement, I want her to feel the pressure to adopt a better stance on this issue.


I've donated thousands of dollars to various local and national progressive campaigns, spent many hours phone-banking, door-knocking, contributing time and labor to grassroots progressive organizations. I've been to marches, protests, donated to bail funds and mutual aids. I've already donated 4 figures to the Harris campaign and will most likely be spending hours volunteering in their GOTV efforts.

I truly appreciate your post. You brought up many good, well reasoned and thoughtful rebuttals to my arguments. I think we're in more agreement than disagreement.

For sure breh, I think its very important for us as Dems/Leftists/People to critique one another, but in constructive ways. I dont get the full scope yet of AOC/Gaza but what I'm seeing online so far backs what you're saying of her being soso on her Palestine stance, compared to other social causes she advocates for. I think my core issue with the AOC portion of progressives convos is so many pro and anti progressives make her the end-all-be-all in discussions when she **should** just be one of many. Its gonna take a few years before we can tell if this was the start of her being more calculated politically or something worse

Its valid for progressives to feel betrayed if shes routinely flopping this issue, and putting pressure on our politicians is the only way to get what we want. I just wanted to be clear where you stood and make sure it wasnt a "she might as well be a republican" stance that some leftists fall into

 

[ill_will82]

 

[GhostoftheMan]

it might be the leading conversation going into the weekend about how this affects Kamala's chances which might erase the DNC coverage. gonna be interesting to see how this plays out

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

No one gets more practice owning maga than Jessica tarlov

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

Does that mean Trump will give him a job if he wins?

Hoping RFK won't be taking fauci 's job

 

[Reality Check]

Guess he's bitter given his strategy of being the "young" alternative to Biden/Trump went out the window once Biden dropped out along with being told to kick rocks by Kamala when he tried asking her for a job.