2024 U.S. Presidential Election Thread: Donald Trump wins & will return to the White House; GOP wins U.S. Senate & U.S. House

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Republicans ask the Supreme Court to disenfranchise thousands of swing state voters​


A new Supreme Court case could potentially hand Arizona to Donald Trump.
by Ian Millhiser

Aug 19, 2024, 5:10 PM EDT

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Former President Donald Trump shakes hands with Justice Brett Kavanaugh, in 2019. Mandel Ngan/AFP

Ian Millhiser

Ian Millhiser is a senior correspondent at Vox, where he focuses on the Supreme Court, the Constitution, and the decline of liberal democracy in the United States. He received a JD from Duke University and is the author of two books on the Supreme Court.

The Republican Party wants the Supreme Court to weigh in on a nauseatingly complicated voting rights case, which could potentially disenfranchise thousands of presidential voters in the swing state of Arizona. The case is known as Republican National Committee v. Mi Familia Vota.

The case involves an astoundingly convoluted system Arizona uses to register certain voters — one that emerged from 20 years of conflicting state and federal laws, plus seemingly endless litigation over those laws. Among other things, Republicans claim that several thousand Arizona voters should be allowed to vote only in congressional elections, and that they are barred from voting in state and local elections or voting for the president.

In 2004, Arizona enacted a law which requires new voters to provide documentary proof of citizenship (such as a passport or a birth certificate) when registering to vote in the state. This state law, however, conflicts with a federal law known as the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA), which requires states to register voters who submit a standardized federal registration form.

That form requires Arizona voters to swear, under penalty of perjury, that they are in fact citizens. But it does not require them to submit other proof of citizenship.

The Supreme Court confronted this conflict in Arizona v. Inter Tribal Council of Arizona (2013), and largely resolved it in favor of the NVRA. Inter Tribal held that the state must allow voters to register using the federal form, but it also suggested that Congress’s power to require states to register voters is limited to “federal elections.”

Thus, in response to Inter Tribal, Arizona refused to fully register voters who submitted the federal form without providing proof of citizenship. Since Inter Tribal, these voters have been allowed to vote in federal elections (for Congress and the president), but not in state and local races in Arizona. According to an expert who testified in the RNC case, “approximately one-third of a [percent] of non-Hispanic White voters [in Arizona] are Federal-Only Voters, while a little more than two-thirds of a percent of minority voters are Federal-Only Voters.”

This racial disparity likely explains why the Republican Party is now asking the Supreme Court to further restrict this small percentage of Arizona voters. 2020 exit polls showed Republican Donald Trump winning white voters in Arizona, but losing the state as a whole due to President Joe Biden’s strong performance with Latinos. Biden’s margin of victory in Arizona in 2020 was about three-tenths of a percent, and even a tiny shift in the state’s population of eligible voters could tip the balance.

The RNC case, which is now before the Supreme Court, concerns a 2022 Arizona law which would impose three new restrictions on these federal-only Arizona voters. It bars them from voting by mail, and from voting for president altogether — thus limiting them to voting only in congressional elections. Additionally, the 2022 law requires the state to reject any new voter registration submitted using the state’s own form if that registration doesn’t include proof of citizenship — even though the state is still required to register that individual as a federal-only voter if the registrant submits the federal form.

The 2022 law, however, has never taken effect. This is true in part because several key statewide offices are controlled by Democrats, but also because the courts have taken a skeptical view of the law. In total, seven judges have heard the RNC case at some point in its journey through the federal judiciary, and none of them voted in favor of the provisions preventing federal-only voters from voting by mail or for president.

Meanwhile, these lower-court judges split on the restrictions governing new registrants, although this is probably the least consequential of the 2022 law’s three restrictions. The last panel of judges to weigh in on that provision voted 2-1 to block it, at least for now.

And so now it is up to the Supreme Court to decide whether to make this needlessly complicated morass even more complicated, potentially preventing thousands of Americans from voting for president in a key swing state.


So, how strong are the Republican Party’s arguments?​


Let’s get one disclaimer out of the way: We are talking about the same Supreme Court that recently held, despite no language in the Constitution that supports this position, that former President Donald Trump has broad immunity from prosecution for crimes he committed while he was in office. The Court’s Republican supermajority does not always follow the law, especially when the law cuts against the Republican Party’s preferred outcome. So, in a case where the GOP is asking these justices to make it easier for Republicans to win a presidential election, there is always some risk that the Court’s Republican majority will play ball.

That said, they’ll really have to stretch if they want to hand the GOP a victory in this case.

The trial court that heard the RNC case concluded that the two most severe restrictions in the 2022 law — the prohibitions against voting by mail and voting for president — violate the NVRA, the same law at issue in Inter Tribal. To justify its attempt to lock these voters out of the presidential election, the GOP points to a provision of the Constitution that gives Congress broad power to shape the “Times, Places, and Manner” for choosing members of Congress, but that doesn’t give Congress the same power over presidential elections.

The Court has long held, however, that “the power of Congress to protect the election of President and Vice President from corruption” is “clear,” and that “the choice of means to that end presents a question primarily addressed to the judgment of Congress.” So it is well-established that Congress can regulate presidential elections. This explains why every judge who considered the GOP’s argument, several of whom were appointed by Trump, voted to reject it.

There’s also another reason why the Supreme Court should not reinstate these two provisions. In Purcell v. Gonzales (2006), the Court warned that “federal courts ordinarily should not alter state election rules in the period close to an election.” While the Court has never stated precisely when the “period close to an election” begins, its Republican majority has read Purcell quite aggressively in the past. Justice Brett Kavanaugh has even suggested that the Purcell window opens up more than nine months before a general election.

It’s now mid-to-late August. The 2024 election is just over two months away. And yet the GOP is asking the Supreme Court to alter Arizona’s election rules to impose new voting restrictions that have not previously taken effect and were enjoined by a federal trial court in 2023. Purcell should prevent the Court from giving the GOP what it wants in this case — at least until after the election happens.

The RNC’s arguments in favor of the restrictions on new voter registrations are a little stronger. In 2018, Arizona settled a lawsuit. As part of that settlement, it agreed to register federal-only voters who submit the state’s own registration form rather than the federal form. The GOP now argues that the state legislature’s decision to enact a new law in 2022 overrides the 2018 lawsuit settlement.

This is a plausible argument, but the RNC’s request to reinstate this voter registration restriction during the 2024 election probably also runs afoul of Purcell. Again, Purcell held that courts should not alter a state’s election rules too close to an election, and Republicans are asking the Supreme Court to alter Arizona’s election rules in the final stretch before voters start casting ballots for president.

In any event, the RNC case will likely offer a window into whether this Court’s Republican majority will behave as honest brokers during the 2024 race. In past election cycles, Republican justices wielded Purcell very aggressively to block lower-court decisions expanding voting rights — often in cases where Democrats supported the lower court’s approach.

It’s only fair that the Court read Purcell just as aggressively now that Republicans would benefit from a looser application of that decision.

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If they really want people to empathize with their movement and nudge the Biden/Harris on a ceasefire this isn't the way to do it. I'm all for protests and think given the genocide happening is fully warranted. The problem with a lot of leftists is they lack strategy when it comes to playing politics and don't understand the importance of optics. Burning the American flag (which I honestly couldn't care less about) isn't going to draw in people in from the center. It just makes you look extreme to the average voter and potentially kneecaps any sway you'll have over elected officials.

A section of progressives like most groups live in their own bubble online so they think a candidate with all far left policies would Reagan/ Mondale an election they don’t live in reality

These people are pissed at AOC for not screaming and saying “Genocide Joe is a war criminal” onstage at the DNC but she’s smart enough to play the game and knows she has to thread the needle if she ever wants to be president to where she could try to get some progressive things done

But these people think a far left on every single policy president is gonna happen so instead of an AOC finessing her way in and getting some progressive things passed moreso then anyone else they want to hold out hope for the perfect far left candidate to win who’s not gonna meet in the middle on any policy which isn’t gonna happen
 

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You're not in the rooms. Stop pretending to be. If nothing happens, you have every right to say "yeah, this is bullshyt..." but if you aren't willing to give it a chance then there's no point to the protests. You know that Republicans don't care at all. The only chance to get something done is through the left.
I said they're not working on an actual ceasefire because they admitted to it. The deal they're working on is a temporary pause with no commitment from Netanyahu to a permanent peace. They've cynically tried to redefine that as a "ceasefire". We've given them a chance for almost going on 1 year now, they're still saying the same bullshyt in their briefings. They are more committed to waiting out the public's interest than delivering an actual ceasefire.



But also, protesting at the DNC but never protesting at Trump rallies is also a poor choice. The reason to protest at Trump rallies is to put more spotlight on how that side cares 0%, you don't want them in office.

It's very easy to get on the front page at a Trump rally. Show up, protest... he says some terrible things about Palestinians because he can't help himself and it's front page news.
 

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Biden and Kamala both announce they are working on the ceasefire, Biden himself says they need to get it done ASAP... Everyone agrees that it needs to get done. They are working on it. Biden acknowledged everyone outside and said the protestors have a point and it's fair etc...

So what do they do? Start burning American flags the next day and fighting people....

There's a lot of GOP operatives in that crowd.

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Don't sleep on old Billy Clint, even with health and age being a factor - he can rise to the occasion.
 
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@King Kreole I'm not quoting all of the tweets but I read them and the "activism 101" analogy is complete and utter nonsense. They threw a qualifier in there that said "the protestors have limited resources"....

That was their excuse for not protesting at Trump rallies. But here's the thing about that: Trump has been in all of the same cities/states that the Democrats have been hitting. Trump was in Milwaukee. Trump was in Pennsylvania.

The reason they threw that line in there was because they know it's true that they should be hitting Trump rallies as well.

I believe the reason why they aren't hitting Trump rallies is because they think it's "too dangerous" for them to go and that's an odd approach to all of this. Imagine a Trump rally gets out of hand where Trump is yelling at protestors (which he would) and MAGA is calling them all types of names (which they would), it would be THE story in every publication.
 

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Ya'll give that fat fukking scumbag god like powers. Yes if Trump wins on 11/5, the world will not end on 11/6. Jon Stewart expresses it better @18:10 mark.


He's white the world won't come to an end if Trump wins dumb ass

Are you black?

D.L. Hughley somewhat touched on this when biden was still in the race.

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D.L. Hughley is going scorched earth on George Clooney for calling on President Biden to drop out of the presidential race, and he says Democrats are missing the big picture.

Thoughts???

/search?q=#PresidentBiden /search?q=#DLHughley /search?q=#GeorgeClooney /search?q=#Lovelytitv


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D.L. Hughley GOES OFF on George Clooney for asking Joe Biden to drop from the presidential race

"if youre gonna have a conversation about how old he is, have a conversation about how old they want to take this country back to... George Clooney is not the man he was in Ocean's Eleven... im so tired of cowardly people... if you can vote for a convicted felon, I can vote for a cadaver..."


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I get the pro-Palestinians protests because it is the right time and place to be heard but the way they do it is just counter productive. Like Just Stop Oil, right message but wrong way of sending it.

They could have had people inside the convention relaying their word in a more "consensual" way and the message would have gotten across but if they are being confrontational (which I can understand considering the urgency) then it's logical nobody will allow them visibility.

Dems can likely do better, apply more pressure, find better leverage but they likely can't because of the election and a potential loss of votes. It's realpolitik and Bibi knows this.

In an asymetric war, there can be no peace unless the bigger guy wants it and he obviously doesn't want it for several reasons :
- he doesnt fukk with Dems and wants Evangelical repubs to win because they are more zionist than him
- he probably doesnt see Palestinians as people
- the war keeps him out of jail, literally

Israel is a sovereign country with nukes, nobody but themselves can stop the massacre really. However I bet, if Harris wins, the US' hand will be stronger without the thought of losing potential voters.
 
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