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It’s just warren Warren Warren. She talks about warrens only base of support is affluent white liberals but I’ve seen quite a warren contingency here in the coli.
she's def a stan but I mean she's not incorrect. Around 20 people supporting Liz in HL doesn't mean her main base isn't still affluent white people

Biden's lead rests on his support among black voters, among whom he leads by a wide margin with 42% backing him and his nearest competitor -- Sanders -- earning just 12% support.

Warren (23%) and Biden (21%) are about even among white potential Democratic voters, with Sanders not far behind at 15%.

Among Hispanics who are Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents, Sanders stands at 24%, with four other candidates in double-digits: Biden at 18%, O'Rourke at 14%, and Warren and Harris each at 10%.

Biden's backing among black voters comes primarily among those over age 50 (53% in that group support him vs. 30% among those under age 50) and from those who are moderate or conservative (47% in that group support him).

That mirrors the pattern among Democrats more generally, but holds to a greater degree among black voters. Sanders' strong showing among Latinos comes more from younger Hispanic voters than from older ones.

Warren's support notably spikes among college educated voters -- 26% in that group back her vs. just 11% of those without degrees. Sanders, whose ideological views are similar to Warren's, doesn't have as much of an education gap in his support (19% among those without degrees, 13% among those with), largely due to his stronger support among whites without college degrees (21% vs. 10% among those who do hold degrees).
Biden's SC firewall has been strong for five months now :wow:
CNN Poll: Biden leads as Warren and Sanders battle for second on eve of debate - CNNPolitics
 

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When Bernie or Warren wins Iowa and New Hampshire the support for joe Biden among black people will go away.:mjgrin:


We can only hope. I'm so discouraged at times by the lack of political acumen of my coworkers, who are all black.

Still in awe that I had to practically force one of my supervisors last year to register to vote hours before the deadline. She was so nonchalant about voting and going through the hassle of reregistering. Said she hadn't voted since Obama's first term.

She's a black, muslim, African immigrant.......that lives in Pennsylvania. :snoop:
 

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a Biden surrogate going after Warren from the left :ohhh::mjlol::jawalrus:

Ed Rendell was just on Erin Burnett’s show a few hours ago talking about how it’d be dumb for Biden to attack Warren :dwillhuh: did he forget he had op-Ed submitted
 

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a Biden surrogate going after Warren from the left :ohhh::mjlol::jawalrus:

Ed Rendell was just on Erin Burnett’s show a few hours ago talking about how it’d be dumb for Biden to attack Warren :dwillhuh: did he forget he had op-Ed submitted
Ed was a Clinton guy. Ed is a loser.
 

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Warren Plan Would Close Tax Loophole Joe Biden Uses
Warren Plan Would Close Tax Loophole Joe Biden Uses
DAVID DAYEN

SEPTEMBER 12, 2019

Biden makes use of the “Gingrich-Edwards” loophole to avoid payroll taxes.

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Former Vice President Joe Biden during a campaign stop in Laconia, New Hampshire


Earlier today I reported on Elizabeth Warren’s plan to expand Social Security benefits by the widest margin in a half-century. There’s a tiny provision in the plan that could loom large in the presidential primary and the campaign of the Democratic front-runner, Joe Biden.

Warren vows to close the so-called “Gingrich-Edwards” loophole, a way for the rich to avoid Social Security and Medicare contributions. Self-employed individuals can set up S corporations to pass through earned income from consulting, book advances, speaking fees, or whatever else. The Trump administration just made S corporations more lucrative by adding large deductions for pass-through income.

If the individual classifies money taken out of the S corporation as an investor distribution rather than a salary, that money avoids payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare. It gets taxed as a corporate profit (at a lower overall rate) rather than income. Newt Gingrich and John Edwards, the namesakes of the loophole, both used this to funnel millions of dollars into their hands without paying payroll taxes.

Warren’s call to close the Gingrich-Edwards loophole would move more money into the Social Security system, as well as Medicare. Unlike other parts of the plan, a president could accomplish this through IRS regulatory guidelines, without needing approval from Congress.

And that could be bad news for a guy named Joe Biden.

As Ryan Grim at The Intercept flagged yesterday, Biden uses the Gingrich-Edwards loophole. He and his wife have set up S corporations in Delaware, which is notorious for its allowances for shell corporations and financial concealment.

According to The Wall Street Journal, the Bidens have reported over $13 million in profits the past two years through the S corporation, while only taking out $750,000 as salary. That leaves over $12 million, made through book deals and speaking fees, ineligible for payroll taxes, particularly for Medicare (those taxes are uncapped, as opposed to Social Security taxes, which are only collected on the first $132,900 in income). The money is also untraceable, a nice side benefit. As a result, we don’t know who paid the Bidens for all the speeches, or how much he was paid.

The Journal also reported that Warren, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders did not take advantage of this loophole for their income made through books and books and speeches.

One leading presidential candidate vowing to close a loophole that another leading presidential candidate uses to avoid taxes should probably be a topic of discussion in tonight’s debate. The two candidates will be standing at podiums right next to one another in Houston.
 
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