2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[Pressure]

Bernie supporters get mad because the media shyts on him. What is more disingenuous focusing on eggs on Twitter or media people with huge followings? You do realize by even going on Twitter you’re doing something no one does? Just say you guys want to shyt on him or don’t engage in politics outside of an online echo chamber. Anything else just looks nuts.

Disingenuous would be suggesting:

1. Twitter posters aren't expressing their actual opinions
2. That engagement is a viable metric to disprove 1
3. That people who have negative experiences of Bernie Supporters only speak politics in an echo chamber
4. Bad experiences with Bernie supporters only exists online

 

[storyteller]

Seriously do these dudes really think he can win the nomination just off Bernie stans?! You stubborn muthafukkas gon learn again if you don’t stop the bullshyt.

Can't speak for Kyle but Michael is a real Democratic Socialist and his critiques tend to be about Warren's focus on capitalist style solutions when he thinks the best solutions lean further left. A lot of times that can come off as "this is why Bernie's a better candidate" but most times I think there's an assumption that his followers understand the underlying beliefs about the strategies. Twitter with its limitations makes it way too easy to infer the worst. For example, Nap getting his panties in a bunch because a lot of lefties believe that public ownership of utilities is a real solution that can help people...It's not like these positions haven't been discussed and thought about. These dudes just aren't going into deep strategic breakdowns on a website that allows 228 characters only per post.

 

[No1]

Disingenuous would be suggesting:

1. Twitter posters aren't expressing their actual opinions
2. That engagement is a viable metric to disprove 1
3. That people who have negative experiences of Bernie Supporters only speak politics in an echo chamber
4. Bad experiences with Bernie supporters only exists online

Fam, you already know how I feel about you arguing to just to argue. Literally everything you just said makes no sense. I responded to someone directly based on what he has said and you inserted yourself.

 

[storyteller]

I'd argue that Bernie has a clear advantage of having the largest collection of passionate supporters (passionate can mean a lot of things; here I use it to mean heavy on participatory politics such as activism, donations and volunteering). That also means that even if his support falls into statistical behavior norms; he has more of everything including obnoxious a-holes. But I don't think they're actually representative of the majority of Bernie supporters...I know a lot of 'em and most are regular people. The most vocal can be cringeworthy as hell though. That said, I could say that about the most vocal supporters of every candidate I have ever been critical of on social media.
I've been attacked by supporters of

Trump for critiquing everything
Clinton for critiquing dirty tactics
Yang for a critiquing flawed UBI
Tulsi for critiquing her friendliness with Modi
Warren for critiquing her foreign policy
oh yeah...and Bernie for critiquing his poor answers on reparations.

The thing is, typically if people realize you're coming from a sincere place they lighten up but it's really hard to come across nuanced with social media limitations. Do I think these sorts of pile ons can be worse with Bernie supporters? Only in so much as he has a larger following. When it was just Bernie and Clinton, I really felt it was equally toxic (and after the emails leaked I feel that Clinton's campaign actually embraced those toxic aspects...you could probably argue that Sirota's hiring indicates the same for Bernie but I disagree). Actually...I think Tulsi and Yang have jacked the most toxic supporters from Bernie tbh...especially Tulsi, my God Niko House is insufferable and his twitter followers are terrible.

Last sidenote: You'd also get an outsized view of which candidate has toxic supporters by who you're most critical of. I don't run into many bad exchanges with Warren supporters. Yang supporters have invited me to groups when I show love for his better qualities and lost it when I've attacked his UBI. When I'm critical though, knives come out no matter who it is...

 

[Pressure]

Fam, you already know how I feel about you arguing to just to argue. Literally everything you just said makes no sense. I responded to someone directly based on what he has said and you inserted yourself.

You inserted yourself into the very same conversation with me not even 12 hours ago.

fukk out of here with that shyt. Ole throw stones and hide your hands ass nikka.

Any time someone says something about the behavior of a subset of Bernie Supporters you dust the cape off and run this same routine. It's tired and it isn't helping your cause.

But maybe this is just how you behave online. Somehow, I doubt it.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

If Bernie supporters are the reason so many people won't support him or believe he can secure the nomination, then an ability to win over 2016 Trump voters and independents can't be used as a selling point for their candidate of choice in the same breath.

I'm just gonna straight up say that the "Bernie Bros" argument is a convenient excuse for the majority of his detractors to find fault with the man's ACTUAL approach to how the country should be governed.


The interview on Michael Brooks show this week with Krystal Ball illustrated perfectly what his "beef" with Warren is and as someone stated a few posts up, Warren herself is not the ire or target of the discrepancies between her and Bernie.

Finding issue with a few tweets by Bernie supporters who are incredulously dissecting Warren's support among specific segments of the left, while posting in a nearly 10,000 post thread that's literally designed to do the exact same thing for supporters of every other candidate?

 

[Pressure]

If Bernie supporters are the reason so many people won't support him or believe he can secure the nomination, then an ability to win over 2016 Trump voters and independents can't be used as a selling point for their candidate of choice in the same breath.

I'm just gonna straight up say that the "Bernie Bros" argument is a convenient excuse for the majority of his detractors to find fault with the man's ACTUAL approach to how the country should be governed.

People don't support Bernie Sanders because they support other candidates for the primary.

What kind of arrogant take is this?

 

[afterlife2009]

I just watched that Kyle video.. He said Bernie should've responded with a policy difference between him and Warren in the Vice video. I didn't really see how that's asking for Bernie to attack Warren. But I do agree that they don't need do any policy critiques at the moment but they eventually do need to happen. Bernie believes in more public ownership than Warren does and pointing that out isn't some vicious attack

YouTubers who my parents and most other people have no idea exist have no affect on this shyt. This Bernie supporters are gonna ruin it for him/they're singularly aggressive has no empirical backing and was manufactured by Clinton people. Everybody on Twitter has a$$holes.

Meanwhile people with actual power within the Democratic Party are running anti-Bernie campaigns and shockingly the head of the de-facto think tank for the Dems is at these meetings. but yeah let's get mad about random YouTubers who don't move the needle

There’s a growing realization that Sanders could end up winning this thing, or certainly that he stays in so long that he damages the actual winner,” said David Brock, the liberal organizer, who said he has had discussions with other operatives about an anti-Sanders campaign and believes it should commence “sooner rather than later.”

The matter of What To Do About Bernie and the larger imperative of party unity has, for example, hovered over a series of previously undisclosed Democratic dinners in New York and Washington organized by the longtime party financier Bernard Schwartz. The gatherings have included scores from the moderate or center-left wing of the party, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California; Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader; former Gov. Terry McAuliffe of Virginia; Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind., himself a presidential candidate; and the president of the Center for American Progress, Neera Tanden.

‘Stop Sanders’ Democrats Are Agonizing Over His Momentum

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Bernie supporters get mad because the media shyts on him. What is more disingenuous focusing on eggs on Twitter or media people with huge followings? You do realize by even going on Twitter you’re doing something no one does? Just say you guys want to shyt on him or don’t engage in politics outside of an online echo chamber. Anything else just looks nuts.

I’ve done campaigning for Andrew gillum down here in Florida breh. So I do engage in politics outside of twitter.

You do realize Michael brooks has a podcast that reaches many people so he does have a say in political discourse. Bernie is my second choice of the candidates so in no way am I shytting on him.

 

[Hood Critic]

I'd argue that Bernie has a clear advantage of having the largest collection of passionate supporters (passionate can mean a lot of things; here I use it to mean heavy on participatory politics such as activism, donations and volunteering). That also means that even if his support falls into statistical behavior norms; he has more of everything including obnoxious a-holes. But I don't think they're actually representative of the majority of Bernie supporters...I know a lot of 'em and most are regular people. The most vocal can be cringeworthy as hell though. That said, I could say that about the most vocal supporters of every candidate I have ever been critical of on social media.
I've been attacked by supporters of

Trump for critiquing everything
Clinton for critiquing dirty tactics
Yang for a critiquing flawed UBI
Tulsi for critiquing her friendliness with Modi
Warren for critiquing her foreign policy
oh yeah...and Bernie for critiquing his poor answers on reparations.

The thing is, typically if people realize you're coming from a sincere place they lighten up but it's really hard to come across nuanced with social media limitations. Do I think these sorts of pile ons can be worse with Bernie supporters? Only in so much as he has a larger following. When it was just Bernie and Clinton, I really felt it was equally toxic (and after the emails leaked I feel that Clinton's campaign actually embraced those toxic aspects...you could probably argue that Sirota's hiring indicates the same for Bernie but I disagree). Actually...I think Tulsi and Yang have jacked the most toxic supporters from Bernie tbh...especially Tulsi, my God Niko House is insufferable and his twitter followers are terrible.

Last sidenote: You'd also get an outsized view of which candidate has toxic supporters by who you're most critical of. I don't run into many bad exchanges with Warren supporters. Yang supporters have invited me to groups when I show love for his better qualities and lost it when I've attacked his UBI. When I'm critical though, knives come out no matter who it is...

Whats crazy is most people don't realize that the "Bernie Bro" stigma started as a coordinated smear campaign/attack on Sanders. As you have stated, his supporters are really no worse than anyone else's yet his critics continue to use that messaging to disparage him.

I have my own disagreements with a lot of his actions throughout the last few years but I realized he's ultimately going to shoulder a great deal of criticism because he single handily shifted the party to the left and that upsets a lot of people on both sides of the aisle.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

If Bernie supporters are the reason so many people won't support him or believe he can secure the nomination, then an ability to win over 2016 Trump voters and independents can't be used as a selling point for their candidate of choice in the same breath.

I'm just gonna straight up say that the "Bernie Bros" argument is a convenient excuse for the majority of his detractors to find fault with the man's ACTUAL approach to how the country should be governed.


The interview on Michael Brooks show this week with Krystal Ball illustrated perfectly what his "beef" with Warren is and as someone stated a few posts up, Warren herself is not the ire or target of the discrepancies between her and Bernie.

Finding issue with a few tweets by Bernie supporters who are incredulously dissecting Warren's support among specific segments of the left, while posting in a nearly 10,000 post thread that's literally designed to do the exact same thing for supporters of every other candidate?

Post the video with Michael brooks and Krystal ball sexy ass

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

People don't support Bernie Sanders because they support other candidates for the primary.

What kind of arrogant take is this?

It's not arrogant at all when people have flat out said that one of the reasons they choose not to support him is because of his supporters. That's not a critique of him or his posititions.

And by supporters I mean voters, volunteers, regular people, not public figures or institutions.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Post the video with Michael brooks and Krystal ball sexy ass

Interview starts at 26:10

 

[Pressure]

It's not arrogant at all when people have flat out said that one of the reasons they choose not to support him is because of his supporters. That's not a critique of him or his posititions.

And by supporters I mean voters, volunteers, regular people, not public figures or institutions.

It's arrogant to assume that people who are turned off by his supporters use that critique because they don't have actual issues with how he believes the country should be governed.

Every candidate has people who don't support them because of the behavior of their supporters. That's just a part of elections.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

I recently found a study that showed the only people on Twitter who behave worse than Clinton supporters are, of course, Trump supporters.

But I can't find it again right now, so you don't have to take my word for it.