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I'm pretty sure centrists are riding with Butti and Biden. No need spin up Warren conspiracy theories.
I think there's a contingent of Bernie supporters, perhaps (hopefully) smaller in number than the online volume of their voices would have us believe, who have become emotionally attached to Bernie and don't know how to handle him getting worked from the left. Warren is a problem to them because they can no longer in good faith claim Bernie is the sole occupant of the progressive high ground. Which is why they, without fail, turn to Warren's statement about being a capitalist as if it's a damning indictment, even as she proposes a more comprehensive and effective agenda than Bernie for constraining and transforming capital's excessive power in favor of the middle/working class.
 

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I think there's a contingent of Bernie supporters, perhaps (hopefully) smaller in number than the online volume of their voices would have us believe, who have become emotionally attached to Bernie and don't know how to handle him getting worked from the left. Warren is a problem to them because they can no longer in good faith claim Bernie is the sole occupant of the progressive high ground. Which is why they, without fail, turn to Warren's statement about being a capitalist as if it's a damning indictment, even as she proposes a more comprehensive and effective agenda than Bernie for constraining and transforming capital's excessive power in favor of the middle/working class.

I think a lot of Bernie supporters just don't believe her Progressive bonafides, she talks a great game but when the rubber meets the road where will she stand?
  • She endorsed Hillary over Bernie in 2016 and they didn't forget.
  • She plans to take corporate money in the general.
  • Had a weak response to the Standing Rock protests.
  • Her foreign policy positions are more establishment than Progressive.
Bernie supporters don't have the same problem with say Tulsi Gabbard because they believe her moreso than they do Liz.
 

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I think a lot of Bernie supporters just don't believe her Progressive bonafides, she talks a great game but when the rubber meets the road where will she stand?
  • She endorsed Hillary over Bernie in 2016 and they didn't forget.
  • She plans to take corporate money in the general.
  • Had a weak response to the Standing Rock protests.
  • Her foreign policy positions are more establishment than Progressive.
Bernie supporters don't have the same problem with say Tulsi Gabbard because they believe her moreso than they do Liz.
Yeah I started off this election campaign thinking the supporters of Bernie and Liz would more or less completely overlap, but as we get closer, I'm starting to see a natural gulf develop between the two camps of supporters. Support for Gabbard seems to be a pretty good dividing line between the two camps.
 

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I think a lot of Bernie supporters just don't believe her Progressive bonafides, she talks a great game but when the rubber meets the road where will she stand?
  • She endorsed Hillary over Bernie in 2016 and they didn't forget.
  • She plans to take corporate money in the general.
  • Had a weak response to the Standing Rock protests.
  • Her foreign policy positions are more establishment than Progressive.
Bernie supporters don't have the same problem with say Tulsi Gabbard because they believe her moreso than they do Liz.

Wait, are you saying Elizabeth actually has corporate donors willing to donate to her? I don’t see any business community being very friendly to her. But I may be wrong.
 

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Wait, are you saying Elizabeth actually has corporate donors willing to donate to her? I don’t see any business community being very friendly to her. But I may be wrong.
Right now I think she isn't taking any but plans to do during the general. Who will donate? I have no idea.
 

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It's like Joe Biden has been asleep for over 20 years to the point where he is disconnected from reality. He's running like this is 1992.
He's actually the selling the biggest pipedream of any candidate by pushing the idea that with Trump gone, Republicans in government will suddenly become decent honorable people :mjlol:
 
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