Yglesias is one of those pundits to ignore after 2016 but surprised to read this
2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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Yglesias is one of those pundits to ignore after 2016 but surprised to read this
You still don’t seem to understand that this great divide between ideological left and center in the Democratic Party that political nerds debate on the internet doesn’t translate exactly that way amongst actual voters. Discernible identifiers of support of each candidate are age, race, gender, geographic location, income level, etc...not where someone scores on a left-right-center political quiz.
Liz polls worse against Trump than Bernie and Biden because her base of support is mostly white compared to them, largely affluent, educated and live in metros.
The left doesn’t have to be united in the 2020 election because Trump is the great uniter of Democratic voters. They’ll all vote for whoever the nominee is. The person best equipped to beat Trump is the one who can a. inspire new turnout and b. compete multi-regionally. For the latter especially Liz ain’t that.
Lol@Castro having any aura. How you figure Hispanics vote for a prez just cause she made a NAFTA-supporting former HUD Secretary that happens to be Hispanic VP?If Castro really has the Hispanic community on his back like that, why couldn’t he make a dent in the primary? Dude is
breh don’t waste your time arguing with @King Kreole , he’s a coke head who actually thought Liz was going to win the nomination and thinks A Warren/Castro ticket would take the White House, he’s useless
King Kreole
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This is the article that got me thinking about this topic. I think Yglesias makes some strong points here about Bernie being the best positioned to sell inevitable compromise to the twitter-left flank of the party and selling the Democratic Party brand to the youth. I think he's being a bit sanguine about how much the center and establishment will warm up to Sanders, but we'll see. It definitely addressed/countered a lot of my points in the M4A debate I was having with @storyteller in the Bernie thread.
King Kreole
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breh don’t waste your time arguing with @King Kreole , he’s a coke head who actually thought Liz was going to win the nomination and thinks A Warren/Castro ticket would take the White House, he’s useless
y'all got any more of that big structural change???
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Sure. Bernie/Liz
I already told you though, Trump being president = Democratic voters united. That ain’t the issue.
King Kreole
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Thank you.Sure. Bernie/Liz
I have doubts that the visceral hatred that the establishment, Hillary dead-enders have for Sanders will melt away because Trump is President, and they especially won't dissolve if Sanders wins. A Sanders presidency is an existential threat to these people and Sanders himself welcomes their hatred. Don't really see Sanders uniting these factions. His current messaging is that of an insurrection. I could easily see these people attempting to ratfukk the Sanders movement should he win.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
They, like the never Trumpers are not a real constituency. They’re just Washington people with a microphone bigger than they deserve.
King Kreole
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The media folks are, but I think the actual opposition he faces from the establishment is real. I don't think Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are going to bow down.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Good.
The more people like Schumer and Pelosi refuse to support him, the more popular he will get.
King Kreole
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...yeah but this is my whole point about uniting factions of the partyGood.
The right united around Trump after he was met with tons of push back during their primary. They will fall in line or get replaced. The end.
King Kreole
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I would argue Trump fell in line with establishment Republicans more than they fell in line with him. If Bernie makes similar sell-out concessions then maybe, but if he doesn't I don't think things will turn out the same for him. Plus, Republicans always stay on code because their core constituency is basically white evangelical men. Their tent is much smaller than the Democratic tent.
Sanders is hitting a ceiling. Dude does nothing to reach out to new voters.
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