2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[King Kreole]

should Liz disclose her client list.

be careful what u ask for


The clients Joe defended are of public record btw. U can go look at them now.

Warren discloses past corporate legal work - The Boston Globe
A list of Elizabeth Warren’s cases - The Boston Globe
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e56840-7ce0-11e9-8bb7-0fc796cf2ec0_story.html

 

[tru_m.a.c]

bro trumps the president . Just check his twitter over the past 5-7 days.

Joes fine. We on that same wave trump ppl on. We don’t give a shyt

Why would a person who likes Trump's antics switch their vote to Joe Biden when they can just vote for Trump?

Y'all are kekeing in here like Democratic voters are the ones who put Trump in the white house. How many people in the base just got hit by strays because of the "fat and lazy" line?

As a matter of fact fukk it, I hope Biden goes full Trump. I can't wait til he loses the entire +65 black woman vote because he wants to backyard brawl over *checks notes* Ukraine. Not police violence. Not college tuition. Not school funding. Not medicaid work requirements. But nepotism.


Remember this wasn't that hispanic dude arguing about immigration. This wasn't some18yr old white girl arguing about climate change. This wasn't a bunch of BLM protestors. This "fat and lazy" old white guy is supposedly the key demographic Biden needs in order to prove to the other demographics that he has the best chance.

If black folks are voting for Biden because he makes white people comfortable, what's going to happen when more videos leak of old white people in Iowa upset at his voting record

You think it's a coincidence this old white dude pressed Biden and it was caught on tape after Biden folded and told that hispanic dude to vote for Trump

It's open season

 

[Pressure]

It is not unreasonable at all for a Presidential candidate to be required to disclose their previous clients, especially when they worked for a firm as interwoven into high-level shyt and with as many high-level clients as McKinsey. He very well may have just worked on nothingburger stuff, but even run-of-the-mill McKinsey projects could be pertinent to his candidacy and relevant information for voters. Like, if he worked on projects like the ICE one, or if he was working to gut companies in the name of efficiency, the voters have a right to know. It's a pretty fukked up precedent to set that it's ok to have a big redacted section on your resume when running for public office. It's fundamentally anti-democratic.

fukk l that. Either you believe the candidate is trustworthy enough or not.

 

[Warren Moon]

Warren discloses past corporate legal work - The Boston Globe
A list of Elizabeth Warren’s cases - The Boston Globe
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e56840-7ce0-11e9-8bb7-0fc796cf2ec0_story.html

I thought u wanted to see all of the clients pete worked for?

If he provides u with a self selected list as well, would that be ok to u? I’m sure he’d somehow forget to pick his most unflattering cases as well.

 

[King Kreole]

No, the silly narratives y’all are making up in your minds that he’s hiding by not revealing clients. It is not McKinsey policy to reveal clients place that with the fact he only worked there three years as a low level associate at most, a quick google search will revel the types of shyt these employees work on and it’s mundane as hell. This is not the hill to die on re: Pete nor is it anti democratic

I have no narrative in my head. I just said he very well could have been working on nothingburger stuff. The whole point of transparency standards is to eliminate tin foil shyt. Plus it's not like he was working for the Red Cross, McKinsey has been balls deep in some pretty fukked up stuff, as we've just seen with the ICE story that just broke. That doesn't mean Pete is automatically guilty or anything, but we should definitely be able to see and vet the work a Presidential candidate has engaged in. If it's mundane, then great, we can easily and quickly move on. But the idea that we should just take his word for it and not have transparency is very anti-democratic.

 

[Warren Moon]

Why would a person who likes Trump's antics switch their vote to Joe Biden when they can just vote for Trump?

Y'all are kekeing in here like Democratic voters are the ones who put Trump in the white house. How many people in the base just got hit by strays because of the "fat and lazy" line?

As a matter of fact fukk it, I hope Biden goes full Trump. I can't wait til he loses the entire +65 black woman vote because he wants to backyard brawl over *checks notes* Ukraine. Not police violence. Not college tuition. Not school funding. Not medicaid work requirements. But nepotism.


Remember this wasn't that hispanic dude arguing about immigration. This wasn't some18yr old white girl arguing about climate change. This wasn't a bunch of BLM protestors. This "fat and lazy" old white guy is supposedly the key demographic Biden needs in order to prove to the other demographics that he has the best chance.

If black folks are voting for Biden because he makes white people comfortable, what's going to happen when more videos leak of old white people in Iowa upset at his voting record

You think it's a coincidence this old white dude pressed Biden and it was caught on tape after Biden folded and told that hispanic dude to vote for Trump

It's open season

If u think for one second that older black women wouldn’t vote for Biden over trump bc biden had a son on an Ukraine board or if he goes after trump on some toxic masculinity bullshyt....I need to introduce u to some older black women


Ur way off buddy

 

[King Kreole]

fukk l that. Either you believe the candidate is trustworthy enough or not.

...yeah, and part of the process for determining the trustworthiness of a candidate is having access to their past behaviors, actions, and works. It's a pretty bizarre stand to take that candidates for the highest office in the land should be able to have massive redacted gaps in their resume.

 

[King Kreole]

I thought u wanted to see all of the clients pete worked for?

If he provides u with a self selected list as well, would that be ok to u? I’m sure he’d somehow forget to pick his most unflattering cases as well.

...what?

 

[Warren Moon]

...what?

those aren’t all her cases.

did you read it?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I have no narrative in my head. I just said he very well could have been working on nothingburger stuff. The whole point of transparency standards is to eliminate tin foil shyt. Plus it's not like he was working for the Red Cross, McKinsey has been balls deep in some pretty fukked up stuff, as we've just seen with the ICE story that just broke. That doesn't mean Pete is automatically guilty or anything, but we should definitely be able to see and vet the work a Presidential candidate has engaged in. If it's mundane, then great, we can easily and quickly move on. But the idea that we should just take his word for it and not have transparency is very anti-democratic.

You’re overstating McKinsey’s involvement in ice as if they were handing out manuals on how to torture folks. They solve the problems companies put in front of them, and yes, they do it for organizations that some people object to.

And there is nothing impeding democracy in not revealing a client list especially in an industry built on NDA’s. Please tell me what’s anti democratic about it?

Like I said, this is making a mountain out of a molehill. Even if the client list was reveled you’d have no clue what types of projects he was working on, then there would be a whole other witch hunt for that

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

...yeah, and part of the process for determining the trustworthiness of a candidate is having access to their past behaviors, actions, and works. It's a pretty bizarre stand to take that candidates for the highest office in the land should be able to have massive redacted gaps in their resume.

It’s not a gap, we know he worked for McKinsey.

 

[Kenny West]

“Let’s take an IQ test”

Then he called him fat

Laziest campaign ever

Democrat Trump

Pg-13 fukkery. More gaffes more laughs.

Biden 2020 man get this nikka outta here

It would suck if he won the nomination but at least he has a decent shot of replicating the entertainment factor of Trump's administration

 

[King Kreole]

You’re overstating McKinsey’s involvement in ice as if they were handing out manuals on how to torture folks. They solve the problems companies put in front of them, and yes, they do it for organizations that some people object to.

And there is nothing impeding democracy in not revealing a client list especially in an industry built on NDA’s. Please tell me what’s anti democratic about it?

Like I said, this is making a mountain out of a molehill. Even if the client list was reveled you’d have no clue what types of projects he was working on, then there would be a whole other witch hunt for that

McKinsey didn't hand ICE manuals on how to torture folks, just manuals on how to maximize efficiency by reducing the food and medical supplies to the people in these camps. Ghoulish stuff. The whole "just here to solve problems" is some Eichmann defense shyt. You cannot separate out the moral impact of your actions by saying "I'm just solving problems".

And just so we're on the same page, your argument is that disclosing prior clients and work should no longer be a standard when running for President. Should tax returns be off-limits now too then? It's anti-democratic because it's denying the public a chance to scrutinize your prior actions. This is literally Liz's whole point about how the rot of corruption sets into government. If you have nothing to hide, then just disclose your prior work.

McKinsey is out here advising the Saudis, the Chinese government, the Russian oligopoly, and other authoritarian regimes and corporations across the world, but we're all ok with not even a cursory disclosure of the work one of their alums running for President of the United States did while employed there...aight

 

[Warren Moon]

McKinsey didn't hand ICE manuals on how to torture folks, just manuals on how to maximize efficiency by reducing the food and medical supplies to the people in these camps. Ghoulish stuff. The whole "just here to solve problems" is some Eichmann defense shyt. You cannot separate out the moral impact of your actions by saying "I'm just solving problems".

And just so we're on the same page, your argument is that disclosing prior clients and work should no longer be a standard when running for President. Should tax returns be off-limits now too then? It's anti-democratic because it's denying the public a chance to scrutinize your prior actions. This is literally Liz's whole point about how the rot of corruption sets into government. If you have nothing to hide, then just disclose your prior work.

well start with her. Tell her to disclose ALL her work then

 

[King Kreole]

well start with her. Tell her to disclose ALL her work then

Aight man I'll get right on it.