2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

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Pressure said:
Doesn't the sanders plan call for a 3 year gap for implementation for Adults from the start of the year following the laws passage?

Further, doesn't it also give a relatively large amount of leeway to HHS to how it will actually work?

What happens if you lose the white house during that time?

What happens if the GOP controlled senate refuses to push through secretary for HHS?
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It's 3 years of expansion yes. So if you look at how Warren wants to reduce the eligibility age for Medicare to 50 years old while simultaneously creating a public option in part one of her implementation, the age for enrollment would continue to drop each year expanding the access over that span.

Indeed the HHS will play an important role in confirming guidelines that are applied. The working assumption here is that this process would completed before the next presidential election. From there the HHS does play a key role approving new services moving forward yes. But unless you're expecting Bernie's administration to withhold some existing life saving procedures or drugs, the idea that people will lose coverage based on race is an absolute stretch. What is more likely in a Universal Health Care scenario is that coverage for things like Dental or Eye Exams face more scrutiny as they're not life threatening, so that's where you can get away with cutting expenses and kicking to a private insurer. That's my prediction anyway, looking at other examples.

If you lose the white house, the standards and guidelines ought to be established and the process begun. So you're looking at the exact same challenges any law or bill would face should the opposition party take over. Trump's administration has gone to great lengths to try and repeal the ACA, I'd expect similar attacks on anything that's implemented. That goes for Universal Healthcare sure, but it goes just as much for a Public Option. There's nothing unique about the threats except potentially the argument that a universal program would have larger buy-in thanks to everyone seeing the benefits.

A GOP controlled Senate not pushing through a secretary for the HHS is a new one. I'm not sure what the procedure is for a president, should the Senate refuse to allow any appointees in a role like that. My guess is that it'd require some form of executive action and a lot of drama sure. But I also think that the best case scenario for M4A is that it comes with a blue wave that includes a Senate majority (although not above 60 votes, enough to try and use the budget reconciliation hack or some other work around to get a regular 50/50 implementation vote). Of course, just like with your second question though, dealing with a GOP majority Senate isn't something unique to Bernie. A Public Option would face similar challenges and require some flexibility to get it passed in that case.

Those last two questions are legitimate for sure, they just don't apply any less to a Public Option plan than they do to M4A implementation :manny:
 
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Pressure said:
Is he Nap's alias? :lupe:
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dora_da_destroyer said:
He’s the bidenwood Hogan

Breh is unhinged
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I'm a frustrated black man trying to convince other blacks that we actually have a chance to truly help ourselves so we need to do it right. :snoop:

Its frustrating as shyt to read ya'll being ok with letting poor blacks being kicked to the curb again. If ya'll actually believe in this shyt, fight for black people, we actually have a chance to change shyt.
 
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Warren Moon said:
It’s 2020. Trumps changed everything. Trump will say something worse than that 5-10 times this month. Everyone will forget

ppl are desensitized. That’s the country we live in now, nobody cares :yeshrug:
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That is sad. There is no need to stoop to trumps level. You must have forgot all his gaffes prior to 2008 as well.
Warren Moon said:
Leftist white liberalism in rich states pushes constituents Donating money as being “pure”. You can do that when u live in states where ur constituents are white and rich, they can also donate keeping a candidate “non corrupted”(which is a racist tactic, but that’s a topic for another day)

Black candidates can not replicate those same processes. Corporate money allows black candidates to campaign on a national level. Corporate money helps black candidates and is good.

I have liberal and moderate leanings, who pushes policies that are best for black people/candidates. Corporate money is good for black candidates specifically.

Comparing processes that are best for black candidates, to the processes white candidates have, isn’t what I’m saying.


Black candidates are a completely separate and distinct candidate pool that needs to operate differently & therefore judged differently than white candidates.
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Corporate is bad. Most corporate people are white republicans. Most of them supported trump.You can't slam trump and take money from his donors. Otherwise, what you say means nothing. This is why Kamala is not running anymore.
 
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Robbie3000 said:
It’s not about civility. Joey just doesn’t have it anymore. Not that he ever did on the national stage. Obama elevated his old mediocre ass. :dame:

He got blown out of the nominations when he was in his prime. Now he’s supposed to win when he is Abe Simpson status? :mjlol:

You nikkas can’t be serious.

I’m usually very reserved in my predictions, but If Joe Biden is the nominee, Trump will win. Bigly.

Atleast Trump can front like he is lucid and his base falls in line.
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No Biden can win. It's just that a biden said nothing will change. We have learn nothing from the trump era if he becomes president.

Pressure said:
They're Republicans first. They're going to fall in line no matter what.

But Trump certainly isn't lucid.
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Doesn't matter, never sink to his level.
Robbie3000 said:
Of course not. But his base buys into his act.

Biden, won’t have the same luxury and Trump plays the role better than Biden.

Biden looked damn sad trying to go off on that fat dude.
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Old black people don't care.
 
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the next guy said:
That is sad. There is no need to stoop to trumps level. You must have forgot all his gaffes prior to 2008 as well.

Corporate is bad. Most corporate people are white republicans. Most of them supported trump.You can't slam trump and take money from his donors. Otherwise, what you say means nothing. This is why Kamala is not running anymore.
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There is a whole class of corporate Dems - hello coastal cities - and kamala isn’t running because these people are donating to Pete
 
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