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Did you actually read your link?

BTW we're still waiting on you to show us Evo was losing the Bolivian election

The NKVD was renamed and restructured several times. The culture and agency is rotten to its core. You know that. Fire them all and don't absorb them into other agencies.


I thought I'd corrected my post. At the time it looked certain there should've been a runoff. I guess we'll never know.
 

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Seems like you're reading too far into things and conjuring up straw man arguments for no reason.

I thought it was funny to hear someone mock Bernie for whining about the basic shyt Hillary was whining about.

a what?


I think you're trying to draw a parallel that doesn't exist
 

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I’ll take that as a yes. 88m3, the hidden Buttigieg voter. :russ:

lol

I'm not. You can't smear everyone who disagrees with you as Buttigieg supporter. I think he's more than likely racist and he seems like a Manchurian candidate for corporate America or worse. I frankly can't stand him and I've said it several times.

I'd prefer Warren and then Sanders in that order after that I don't care but I'll vote for whoever gets the nomination.
 

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It wasn’t about Bernie. Her plan was bad. It’s that simple. Her loss of support it to Pete, now Bernie. Those voters were hoping she would drop M4A but she didn’t. Pete has been throwing intense amounts of money going at M4A. And as the frontrunner Warren started getting negative attacks. Your political takes make no sense and just seem like whining that Bernie voters didn’t get behind Warren already. It’s a long primary, relax.
It absolutely was about Bernie. The majority of critiques boiled down to her not capitulating to Bernie on this issue and trying to advance the ball on her own. Her financing plan was pretty damn fantastic. Her transition plan was a fair play. If Bernie had come out with them first, they would be lauded by the same people shytting on them. Both plans have been celebrated by two of the most prominent progressive voices for M4A. One endorsed her. But there was an intra-left rift caused by people like yourself calling her plan "bad".

There is obviously a faction of soft-left voters whose primary metric is having a progressive-identifying candidate who signals intelligence and competence. These are the people who switched from Warren to Pete. Warren has been trying to shepherding this faction harder to the left, while Pete is running empty game on them and is now trying to move them to the center. I don't dispute that M4A is the reason they switched from her to him, I'm saying that the cold shoulder she got from both the center (expected) and the Bernie-left contributed to those voters moving to Pete for the moment. If there was a robust response of support and solidarity on the Bernie left for Warren committing to M4A, much like we'd seen the actual candidates themselves support each other on the debate stage on this very topic, I think it would have blunted Pete's rise and signaled to squishes that M4A is a safe place to venture into. Instead, anxiety about Bernie's lack of pole (poll lol) position in this race has led to dumbass fights about Liz being a traitor to the progressive left after putting her neck out for M4A. Messaging matters. The viability of M4A still needs to shown and proven.

There are many reasons to support Bernie over Liz, and he's clearly the most committed to M4A, so I don't believe his voters should abandon him and jump over to her. I'm saying it would behoove the supporters of the campaign running on "Not Me, Us" to act like it for the betterment of the broader progressive left project.
 

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Bruh Obama is already sending subs and IA is 3 months away.

Obama warns Democrats against going too far left: 'We have to be rooted in reality'

We’ll see how strongly he endorses if one of them wins but it’s clear he’s not really fukking with Warren or Bernie.

Reportedly he doesn’t see Bernie as a serious candidate, still.

Subliminals aren't an endorsement though. Even if he's not really fukking with Bernie or Warren he's not going to directly get involved in the primary.

That article literally says "The former president has mostly stayed quiet about the election, and has told allies that he and his wife have no plans to endorse anyone because they don’t want to influence the election.".


And anyway it doesn't really look like Bernie is going to win at this point :manny: so there's absolutely no reason for Obama to get involved. He'll just wait and endorse whoever wins.
 

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Subliminals aren't an endorsement though. Even if he's not really fukking with Bernie or Warren he's not going to directly get involved in the primary.

That article literally says "The former president has mostly stayed quiet about the election, and has told allies that he and his wife have no plans to endorse anyone because they don’t want to influence the election.".


And anyway it doesn't really look like Bernie is going to win at this point :manny: so there's absolutely no reason for Obama to get involved. He'll just wait and endorse whoever wins.
Isn’t warning the Democratic party to not go too far to the left before IA kinda already getting involved in the primary? Everyone knows he’s talking about Sanders and Warren.
 

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Isn’t warning the Democratic party to not go too far to the left before IA kinda already getting involved in the primary? Everyone knows he’s talking about Sanders and Warren.

:yeshrug: I guess, if we're using a loose definition of "involved", but my point is he's not going to jump in and directly endorse/oppose any particular candidate.

He might speak in generalities but there's no way Obama is going to jump in and say "Don't vote for Bernie/Warren" if it looks like one of them will win. It's just not Obama's MO.
 

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Breh you know the vast majority of people early 20s to mid 30s don’t pick up their phone for numbers they don’t know. This poll shyt is goofy sometimes

I wish man. I did polling in 07 for the presidential election. You have to have a minimum number of responders from a certain group.

sometimes it’d take 3 days to get in contact with a 26 year old black male college graduate :why: 100s of calls


But them polls are off if they’re using teenage kids. We’d make shyt up if we couldn’t get in contact with a 65 year old Mexican woman. :pachaha: 1/6 calls were not real
 

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Ryan Grim with a great picture of Warren

I have a major problem with Krystal Ball. Why do Some Sanders supporters say Warren endorsed Hillary over Bernie, when She only endorsed Hillary after the primaries were over? Krystal knows this and is being purposely deceitful when she conflate this fact. Then when Ryan calls her out on this she moves the goalposts and say well the point is she waited. It kills your credibility for anyone that is not a Stan.

I also like that he pointed out how people are trying to erase Warren history of fighting big financial interest. It is a point I have made myself several times.
 

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:yeshrug: I guess, if we're using a loose definition of "involved", but my point is he's not going to jump in and directly endorse/oppose any particular candidate.

He might speak in generalities but there's no way Obama is going to jump in and say "Don't vote for Bernie/Warren" if it looks like one of them will win. It's just not Obama's MO.
Of course he’s not gonna do that. But he still does have significant influence, particularly with older black voters, and there a number of ways he can wield that influence by indicating who he supports. It’s months away from IA and he’s already talking about how most people don’t want big structural change, don’t go too far left, don’t listen to the twitter left, etc.
 

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Isn’t warning the Democratic party to not go too far to the left before IA kinda already getting involved in the primary? Everyone knows he’s talking about Sanders and Warren.

Maybe he's referring to Gabbard and Yang

:troll:
 
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