2016 NBA Draft and beyond (labelplant edition).. 4/4/16 UPDATE: 2017 Draft Big Board

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Doncic looks way better than when I saw footage a few months ago.
 

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Doncic looks way better than when I saw footage a few months ago.

Keep in mind Eurobasket competition isn't to the level of Euroleague comp. Its like G League as to NBA.

That said, I like the vision, rebounding and overall package but the Euro Lebron stuff was absurd.

He wasn't efficient as a scorer and I think there are quite a few warts with his half court scoring ability i.e. settles for too many 3s when he shoots low 30%, doesn't have burst to get separation off the bounce and is an unwilling jump shooter.
 

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Keep in mind Eurobasket competition isn't to the level of Euroleague comp. Its like G League as to NBA.

That said, I like the vision, rebounding and overall package but the Euro Lebron stuff was absurd.

He wasn't efficient as a scorer and I think there are quite a few warts with his half court scoring ability i.e. settles for too many 3s when he shoots low 30%, doesn't have burst to get separation off the bounce and is an unwilling jump shooter.

The vision and the ability to grab the board and go is my favorite thing about him. He's clearly nice but the overhype is dangerous. I think on realgm someone said the only comparison for him is Magic Johnson..
 

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Givony's 2019 board is out on ESPN Insider

What will the 2019 NBA draft look like in the first year under new lottery odds? And who are the potential stars?

Here's our early look at the top 30 prospects in the class.

Note: ESPN's Future Power Rankings were used to determine draft order.

[1] Chicago Bulls

R.J. Barrett | Montverde Academy (HS Sr.) | SG | Age: 17

Barrett established himself as arguably the top prospect in high school basketball with a phenomenal showing at the U19 World Championship in Cairo this summer. He's a highly versatile wing player with tremendous scoring instincts.

New odds to win No. 1 pick (with worst record): 14.0 percent

[2] Boston Celtics (via Kings)

Zion Williamson | Spartanburg Day (HS Sr.) | PF | Age: 17

Williamson is more than just a social media phenomenon, although his freakish explosiveness is a big part of what makes him special. He plays with a reckless abandon that scouts love to see and has a good feel for the game along with a willingness to defend. The big question mark is whether he can develop any type of jump shot, since he's not very tall at around 6-foot-7.

No. 1 pick odds: 14.0 percent

The Celtics will receive the better pick between Sacramento and Philadelphia (protected for No. 1) only if they do not receive the Lakers' pick in 2018 (protected for No. 1 and Nos. 6-30).

[3] Atlanta Hawks

Sekou Doumbouya | Poitiers (France, international '99) | PF | Age: 16

Doumbouya wowed NBA scouts at the U18 European Championship last December, despite having turned 16 years old just days prior. He has been producing well in France at the pro level, too. He's an impressive athlete with a budding skill level offensively, but his jump shot and defensive intensity are a work in progress.

No. 1 pick odds: 14.0 percent

[4] Brooklyn Nets

Cameron Reddish | Westtown School (HS Sr.) | SF | Age: 18

Reddish's production doesn't always match his potential, but he has enviable physical tools and impressive versatility on both ends of the floor. He can play (and guard) anywhere from 1-4, and has shown improvement with his jump shot. He willingly admits he needs to play with a higher intensity level, as he has a tendency to blend in at times relative to his talent level.

No. 1 pick odds: 12.5 percent

[5] Phoenix Suns

Anfernee Simons | Edgewater HS (HS Sr.) | SG | Age: 18

Simons decommitted from Louisville as part of the ongoing FBI/DOJ NCAA investigation. He has recently developed into one of the most gifted scorers in high school basketball and carries significant upside thanks to his combination of physical tools and budding talent. He's the type of player for whom the game comes very easy.

No. 1 pick odds: 10.5 percent

[6] Indiana Pacers

Immanuel Quickley | John Carroll School (HS Sr.) | PG | Age: 18

Quickley has prototypical size and length to go along with strong perimeter shooting prowess and multi-positional defensive versatility. He's a high-IQ guard who does a lot of the things you look for in a point guard his size.

No. 1 pick odds: 9.0 percent

[7] New York Knicks

Nassir Little | Orlando Christian Prep (HS Sr.) | SF | Age: 17

Little's name has been mentioned in the recent FBI/DOJ NCAA investigation, which might complicate his college eligibility. He made a name for himself among NBA scouts with a strong showing at the Adidas EuroCamp in Italy this past June. His length, physicality and energy level on both ends of the floor, as well as his ability to score inside and out, really stood out.

No. 1 pick odds: 7.5 percent

[8] New Orleans Pelicans

Quentin Grimes | Woodlands College Park (HS Sr.) | SG | Age: 17

Grimes is a tough, aggressive guard who does a little bit of everything on both ends of the floor. He has very good tools and instincts, but is still figuring out how to put it all together on a consistent basis in terms of polish and decision-making. Grimes improved significantly in the past year and still appears to have plenty of room to continue to grow.

No. 1 pick odds: 6.0 percent

[9] Boston Celtics (via Grizzlies)

Romeo Langford | College Park HS (HS Sr.) | SG | Age: 17

Physical specimen of a wing prospect with excellent size, length, frame and athleticism. Langford is a dangerous open-court player who can also make shots impressively off the bounce. He also has significant potential defensively. His on-court decision-making and polish in the half court is still a work in progress.

No. 1 pick odds: 4.5 percent

The Grizzlies owe the Celtics their 2019 first-round pick, protected Nos. 1-8 in 2019, Nos. 1-6 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021.

[10] Orlando Magic

Darius Garland | Brentwood Academy (HS Sr.) | PG | Age: 17

Arguably the most skilled, creative and polished point guard in his high school class, Garland had a tremendous showing at the Adidas EuroCamp in Italy in front of representatives from all 30 NBA teams. He does not possess great size, length or strength for his position, but his ability to play at different speeds and make shots from all over the floor gives him a chance to be a high draft pick if he continues to improve his physical profile.

No. 1 pick odds: 3.0 percent

[11] Dallas Mavericks

Luka Samanic | Barcelona (Spain, international '99) | SF/PF | Age: 17

A 6-foot-11 combo forward who can shoot 3s, play above the rim and display great instincts defensively, Samanic was named MVP of the U18 European Championship Division B, despite playing up a year at the event. His toughness and intensity level have yet to match his overall talent.

No. 1 pick odds: 2.0 percent

[12] Charlotte Hornets

Kevin Knox | Kentucky (NCAA Fr.) | SF/PF | Age: 18

Knox is one of a half-dozen players on Kentucky's roster who fancy themselves as wings or combo forwards, none of whom has a consistent jump shot in his arsenal at the moment. He's a fluid athlete who can guard multiple positions when motivated, but he'll have to show he can buy into his role as an energy giver and make shots consistently from the perimeter to cement his standing among NBA decision-makers.

No. 1 pick odds: 1.5 percent

[13] Detroit Pistons

Nickeil Alexander-Walker | Virginia Tech (NCAA Fr.) | PG | Age: 19

A combo guard with the size and length to play either backcourt position, the Canadian shows solid creativity and instincts on both ends of the floor. He's in a strong situation to continue to develop the things he needs to work on, namely his strength, toughness and polish, but has good upside thanks to his versatility and budding talent.

No. 1 pick odds: 1.0 percent

[14] Los Angeles Lakers

Emmanuel Akot | Arizona (NCAA Fr.) | SF | Age: 18

Akot has good size, strength and athleticism for a combo forward, as well as strong versatility on both ends of the floor. He is dangerous in the open court, can make an open 3-pointer and plays with significant energy defensively. The Canadian does not have great length, nor is he an overly polished half-court player offensively.

No. 1 pick odds: 0.5 percent

[15] Milwaukee Bucks

Marko Simonovic | Siena (Italy, international '99 | PF/C | Age: 17

The Montenegrin Simonovic established himself as one of the top prospects in the 1999 international class with an excellent showing at the U18 European Championship in Bratislava this past summer. He's a skilled 6-foot-11 big man who can dribble, pass and shoot 3-pointers. The development of his frame and defensive potential are the main things to watch moving forward as he makes the big step up to the professional level with Siena in Italy's second division.
 

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[16] Oklahoma City Thunder

P.J. Washington | Kentucky (NCAA Fr.) | PF | Age: 19

Washington fancies himself a small forward, but might end up seeing significant minutes at both Kentucky and in the NBA as a versatile big man who can operate inside and out thanks to his budding skill level. Becoming a more consistent shooter and defender will be key to unlocking his NBA potential.

The Thunder owe the Timberwolves their 2018 first-round pick, lottery protected until 2020; converts to second-round picks in 2020 and 2021 if not conveyed.

[17] Miami Heat

Brandon Randolph | Arizona (NCAA Fr.) | SG | Age: 20

Randolph wasn't considered one of the top 35 or so prospects in his high school class, but he has a chance to exceed that fairly quickly thanks to his impressive combination of size, length, athleticism and perimeter shooting prowess, which are highly coveted in today's NBA.

The Heat owe the Suns their 2018 first-round pick, protected Nos. 1-7 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019.

[18] Boston Celtics (via Clippers)

Jarred Vanderbilt | Kentucky (NCAA Fr.) | SF | Age: 18

Vanderbilt is yet another combo forward type vying for minutes and shots on a stacked Kentucky roster. He has the size and length to play quite a bit of 4 in the NBA, but he is a very good ball handler and passer who does an excellent job of crashing the glass and igniting fast breaks. Vanderbilt needs to significantly improve his jumper to maximize his NBA potential, as he has been considered a non-shooter for most of his career.

The Clippers owe the Celtics their 2019 first-round pick, lottery protected in 2019 and 2020; converts to 2022 second-round pick if not conveyed.

[19] Toronto Raptors

Brian Bowen | Louisville? (NCAA Fr.) | SF | Age: 18

Bowen is one of the most prominent players mentioned in the recent FBI/DOJ NCAA investigation, which will almost certainly complicate his college eligibility and potentially his NBA future. He has good size for a wing and advanced scoring instincts from the perimeter, but wasn't considered a can't-miss prospect and thus could have benefited greatly from gaining experience at the college level. He might have to look to Europe or the G-League now.

The Raptors owe the Nets their 2018 first-round pick, lottery protected until 2023; converts to second-round picks in 2023 and 2024 if not conveyed.

[20] Portland Trail Blazers

Landry Shamet | Wichita State (NCAA So.) | PG | Age: 20

Wichita State was a different team last season after inserting then-freshman Shamet into its starting lineup. The tall, fluid point guard can play at different speeds, has a high basketball IQ and made 44 percent of his 3-pointers last season.

[21] Utah Jazz

Oscar Da Silva | Stanford (NCAA Fr.) | PF | Age: 19

Da Silva is a sleeper in this NCAA freshman class, a fluid athlete with length who impacts the game in many different ways thanks to his versatility and high basketball IQ. The German/Brazilian's defense is ahead of his offense at the moment, and the development of his frame and perimeter jumper will likely dictate how long he ends up staying in college.

[22]Washington Wizards

Rui Hachimura | Gonzaga (NCAA So.) | PF | Age: 19

Hachimura had a breakout performance at the U19 World Championship in Cairo this summer, finishing second in scoring and third in rebounding. With Gonzaga losing quite a bit of firepower this offseason, he'll be expected to step into a far more prominent role. Hachimura is a skilled combo forward with a 7-foot wingspan, and his continually improving jump shot is noteworthy from an NBA standpoint. His biggest question marks revolve around his defense.

[23] Denver Nuggets

Olivier Sarr | Wake Forest (NCAA Fr.) | C | Age: 18

Sarr is a fluid and mobile 7-footer who shows nice versatility on both ends of the floor. He's still in an early stage of development, particularly in terms of his frame, but should emerge as an interesting prospect for NBA teams to track in the ACC down the road.

[24] Atlanta Hawks (via Cavaliers)

Clifton Moore | Indiana (NCAA Fr.) | PF/C | Age: 18

Not all that highly regarded coming out of high school, Moore has a chance to exceed many of those in his class long-term thanks to his impressive physical tools, budding skill and overall talent. He ticks many of the boxes that NBA scouts look for in young big men prospects, and even if he's very far away from being a finished product at this stage, he's someone teams will be monitoring over the next few years to see how he's developing.

The Cavaliers owe the Hawks their 2019 first-round pick, protected Nos. 1-10 in 2019 and 2020; converts to second-round picks in 2021 and 2022 if not conveyed.

[25] Philadelphia 76ers

Kezie Okpala | Stanford (NCAA Fr.) | SF | Age: 18

Okpala is a big, long-armed wing who emerged as a prospect late in his high school career. He can handle the ball, play at different speeds and show off projectable jump shot that should improve over time. Okpala has a number of attributes that are coveted in today's NBA, but will likely need time, experience and continued development to reach his potential, which he'll get at Stanford over the next two years.

[26] Minnesota Timberwolves

Josh Okogie | Georgia Tech (NCAA So.) | SG | Age: 19

Okogie is a chiseled guard with a 7-foot wingspan and good athletic ability. He averaged an impressive 16 points per game as a freshman in the ACC. Okogie has excellent potential defensively, but needs to improve his jump shot considerably to cement his standing over the next two years.

The Timberwolves owe the Hawks their 2018 first-round pick, lottery protected until 2020; converts to second-round picks in 2020 and 2021 if not conveyed.

[27] San Antonio Spurs

Goga Bitadze | Mega Bemax (international '99) | C | Age: 18

The Georgian has great size for a center at 6-foot-11 with a 251-pound frame and 7-foot-2 wingspan. Bitadze is fairly skilled on top of that. He can step out and make 3s, and has good instincts as a passer and rebounder. Bitadze needs to prove he can defend his position at the pro level, particularly in terms of protecting the rim and stepping out on pick-and-rolls, but will get the opportunity to do so in the Adriatic League. His intensity and focus tend to waver.

[28] Houston Rockets

Sacha Killeya-Jones | Kentucky (NCAA So.) | PF | Age: 19

A highly touted recruit, Killeya-Jones was a total nonfactor as a freshman. He might be able to put things together in the next two years still, as his skill level and overall talent is undeniable. He's a long, rangy and mobile big man with impressive footwork and touch, but struggles to put it all together in game settings. He also lacks a degree of toughness and feel.

The Rockets owe the Hawks their 2018 first-round pick, protected Nos. 1-3 until 2023; unprotected in 2024.

[29] Boston Celtics

Terence Davis | Ole Miss (NCAA Jr.) | SG | Age: 20

Davis is a long-armed, wide-shouldered shooting guard who excels in transition and making open 3-pointers. He's a good athlete with significant potential on the defensive end. Davis lacks a degree of polish and feel, especially as a ball handler and passer in the half court.

[30] Golden State Warriors

Lamar Peters | Mississippi State (NCAA So.) | PG | Age: 19

Peters is a small but extremely athletic guard with outstanding potential as a shot creator. He changes speeds powerfully in the open floor. Peters made 3-pointers prolifically as a freshman and is a competitive defender. He needs to improve his court vision considerably, and his decision-making is still a major work in progress.

I wonder how many of these guys will be playing college @Poitier :lupe:
 

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Simmons too high.
Brian Bowen and Quickley as 1 and dones is a joke.
Rome will get drafted off ceiling but his game really doesn't back it up.
Oliver Sarr and De silva seem like the typical DX Euro bias but at least we will see them at the college level unlike the other Euros they got listed.
Cliff Moore is like that?

No Ky Bowman? Yves Pons? I'm a huge Quentin Goodin fan, if he gets his shot right.
Some guys I think have a shot at 2 and done: Naiji Marshall, Mark Smith, Jamal Cain, Terrence Lewis, Abu Kigab.
 
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