2016 NBA Draft and beyond (labelplant edition).. 4/4/16 UPDATE: 2017 Draft Big Board

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I mean if you want shooting that bad then why not draft Kennard at 13.

I don't really like Josh Hart. There is a chance that Semi could go at the end of the first depending on his tournament run.

I've been thinking about writing an article or something about the guys who can raise their stock the most during the tournament.

He's a big wing with long arms and shoots well. There's some value in that. There's always a GM that picks someone that seems "ready" way too early.
 

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That has to be a mistake, ain't no way Justin Jackson going that high :bryan:

I don't see it with him or Ferguson really, I understand the Ferguson hype but is he really worth taking that high? I doubt it.

As far as the other 3, Patton and Hartenstein are still in a good range, Rabb won't go that low though, he hasn't really helped his stock this season but he hasn't hurt it either.

the GM that takes justin jackson that high is a fool. no way he goes lottery. he's a good/value a few picks 17-20 or after depending on teams needs.

I mean if you want shooting that bad then why not draft Kennard at 13.

I don't really like Josh Hart. There is a chance that Semi could go at the end of the first depending on his tournament run.

I've been thinking about writing an article or something about the guys who can raise their stock the most during the tournament.

as a duke fan, i like kennard, i just worry about him defensively at nba level. he will get torched. even offensively, he's not that great with the ball/generating offense unless it's an open 3 created off penetration or if he's getting a short 8-12 foot midrange jumper or floater off a curl. he can rarely get by anybody off the dribble straight up. there's a reason why allen is playing default PG for duke rather than him b/c when healthy, allen can get in the paint at will and find open shooters. kennard is a good pick around 19-23 imo. Not sure who to compare him to. I'm wondering what allen will do since he'll be graduating in 3 years. When healthy/focused, he has games like unlv, unc, and multiple other games this year when he's been healthy and not worrying about the tripping-saga. not to mention that he killed all last year when only having ingram as a reliable threat to take pressure off of him. he most certainly goes 2nd round this year, but I think he should still be considered anywhere from 24-30 when taking into consideration how he's played when healthy and the large sample size we have from a full season last year. how he measures in terms of height/wingspan and his interviews/shotting in workouts will be huge. he should at least test the process. he reminds me of a slightly shorter ginobili with his first step, euro steppin/aggressive (sometimes awkward like ginobili) driving , and whiteleticism.

I don't like hart (don't trust his jumper to nba range) or ferguson (mocked way too high imo). i don't like donovan mitchell as a first rounder either if he's being considered as a SG.

people that can help themselves the most i think are most of the guards/wings who have something left to prove --> this includes trier, allen, bacon, kasey hill, and a few others i'll have to think about.

He's a big wing with long arms and shoots well. There's some value in that. There's always a GM that picks someone that seems "ready" way too early.

he's going to get physically abused at the next level imo unless he plays at the 2. not a super-athlete, but smart. matt jones of all people has neutralized him pretty well and grayson has burned him offensively as well.
 

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@funkee I don't think Grayson will go first round, there are too many other guards (that are better) who will move into that range, and it's looking like there will be a limited amount of spots at the end of the first for guards anyways.
 

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Frank Jackson could make himself some money with a good tournament performance. Trier and Kobi Simmons are guys that could maybe get a late first round spot if they play well too.
 

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Frank Jackson could make himself some money with a good tournament performance. Trier and Kobi Simmons are guys that could maybe get a late first round spot if they play well too.

Yep, definitely Trier. I'm thinking Jawun Evans moves himself into the 20s, maybe higher. Bacon could be looking at the mid/late teens, and Bridges back into lottery consideration.

Other than that, for guards I'd say Devonte Graham still could be going pretty high. Then Swanigan is one of the biggest wildcards, he could go anywhere from late first to the mid teens.
 

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@funkee I don't think Grayson will go first round, there are too many other guards (that are better) who will move into that range, and it's looking like there will be a limited amount of spots at the end of the first for guards anyways.

i don't think he goes first either, just saying that he has talent and proven capability after his play last year (and even sometimes this year but w/o consistency/health) to be easily first round. but in a world of "what have you done for me lately?" he shot himself in the foot this year.

Frank Jackson could make himself some money with a good tournament performance. Trier and Kobi Simmons are guys that could maybe get a late first round spot if they play well too.

frank jackson won't go first this year. now if K had been smart, he would've been starting him with allen and kennard all year and limit matt jones' minutes. then maybe he would have the resume to go first. but right now, he's an undersized SG. agree on trier as I had also mentioned. i thought about simmons, but he's not been getting the same burn that he was since trier has been back. He's been average or less since then. next year will be his year.
 

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i don't think he goes first either, just saying that he has talent and proven capability after his play last year (and even sometimes this year but w/o consistency/health) to be easily first round. but in a world of "what have you done for me lately?" he shot himself in the foot this year.



frank jackson won't go first this year. now if K had been smart, he would've been starting him with allen and kennard all year and limit matt jones' minutes. then maybe he would have the resume to go first. but right now, he's an undersized SG. agree on trier as I had also mentioned. i thought about simmons, but he's not been getting the same burn that he was since trier has been back. He's been average or less since then. next year will be his year.

Allen's problem is that he is going to struggle on the next level.
 

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Allen's problem is that he is going to struggle on the next level.

fair enough opinion, i think when healthy he'll add at least an outside shooting threat with some athleticism/aggressiveness mixed in. definitely alot of competition in this draft with the depth of potential SGs that will be in it.
 

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@funkee Rumor has it that Simmons will declare no matter what. Predetermined he was a one and done.
 

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I think a lot of guys who might go late teens to in the 20's this year might stay

next years draft outside of the top few is horrific. It won't take much to be a late lotto pick next year
 

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@funkee Rumor has it that Simmons will declare no matter what. Predetermined he was a one and done.

wow, i wasn't aware of that...dumb of him if so considering how deep this draft is likely going to be and how much more weak next year's should be. he would be able to run shyt (assuming trier leaves) with PJC, alkins, ayton, and comanche/ristic. now if duval commits to zona (please come to duke tre) then that makes it more complicated. all these kids are so anxious to make the jump, it's crazy.
 

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I can already tell Garland and Romeo both bout to go to Duke, fukk Crean :sadcam:
 
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