11/2 DAZN Presents: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Sergey 'Krusher' Kovalev

[GzUp]

You're right but to me Canelo's a better counter puncher than Ward; I'd even say he's probably the best in boxing right now. I do believe KKKovalev is going to give him major problems getting past that jab but Canelo's boxing IQ is right on par with Ward's.

To win Canelo's going to have to make him burn mental energy & make him think twice about throwing because of the counters that'll be waiting for him

Counters are good but the reach though, say Kovalev throws a jab and canelo slips it u think he’s able going to touch Kovalev?

Let’s just talk about what Kovalev can bring instead of what canelo can. Kovalev is a very good boxer who has yet been out boxed. He uses his range good, he throws the jabs at different speeds feints it and throws it to the chest and body. He moves well too, I see the odds and breh I just don’t understand it. I’ve been watching a lot of videos of people predicting the fight in favor for canelo but it just comes off as if canelo has been winning so much lately that it’s just natural that we see canelo win every time he fights.

Hopkins interview was a little different though, he looks worried.

 

[Knicksman20]

Counters are good but the reach though, say Kovalev throws a jab and canelo slips it u think he’s able going to touch Kovalev?

Let’s just talk about what Kovalev can bring instead of what canelo can. Kovalev is a very good boxer who has yet been out boxed. He uses his range good, he throws the jabs at different speeds feints it and throws it to the chest and body. He moves well too, I see the odds and breh I just don’t understand it. I’ve been watching a lot of videos of people predicting the fight in favor for canelo but it just comes off as if canelo has been winning so much lately that it’s just natural that we see canelo win every time he fights.

Hopkins interview was a little different though, he looks worried.

The one thing about KKKovalev's jab is even though it's good he throws it the same most of the time. That means he can be timed & countered. Also he doesn't throw to the body often & doesn't fight at a fast pace either which means Canelo's stamina issues might not be a big factor & not having to cut weight. Also we all KNOW KKKovalev has no inside boxing skills.

Also he doesn't utilize his left hook as much as he should opting to throw a stiff left jab more times than not & I don't think that'll work against an elite fighter with the IQ of Canelo. Ward was able to get inside because of that & I think Canelo can do the same & will move his hands to the body once he's there

 

[GzUp]

The one thing about KKKovalev's jab is even though it's good he throws it the same most of the time. That means he can be timed & countered. Also he doesn't throw to the body often & doesn't fight at a fast pace either which means Canelo's stamina issues might not be a big factor & not having to cut weight. Also we all KNOW KKKovalev has no inside boxing skills.

Also he doesn't utilize his left hook as much as he should opting to throw a stiff left jab more times than not & I don't think that'll work against an elite fighter with the IQ of Canelo. Ward was able to get inside because of that & I think Canelo can do the same & will move his hands to the body once he's there

Look at this film study of Kovalev vs Yarde, look how consistent he was to the body with it... that jab is different.

 

[FreedMind]

Just a few thoughts:

Is two months enough time for Kovalev to recover from the Yarde fight plus have a meaningful training camp?



I keep thinking about what Ward said about Kovalev's lack of physical strength, and how easy it was to push him around the ring. Could we actually see Canelo out muscle Kovalev on the inside? I can't imagine Canelo trying to rough up Kovalev, but I'm sure we'll see a few clinches and get to gauge their strength.


Jacobs and Fielding are both similar to Kovalev in their height and reach. Unfortunately, neither Fielding or Jacobs use their height quite like Kovalev, so how much can we draw from those fights to predict November 2.

 

[Knicksman20]

Look at this film study of Kovalev vs Yarde, look how consistent he was to the body with it... that jab is different.

I knew you'd bring up the Yarde fight bro but that's just one fight where he showed this. And Yarde's not only a bigger/slower target than Canelo for him to be getting away with all the jabbing to the body, but he was wayyy inexperienced.

It took till more than midway through the fight where Yarde realized he needed to go downstairs to be effective. Had he stayed to the body he would've got him out of there when he had him hurt. That was on the job training for Yarde lol.

 

[GzUp]

I knew you'd bring up the Yarde fight bro but that's just one fight where he showed this. And Yarde's not only a bigger/slower target than Canelo for him to be getting away with all the jabbing to the body, but he was wayyy inexperienced.

It took till more than midway through the fight where Yarde realized he needed to go downstairs to be effective. Had he stayed to the body he would've got him out of there when he had him hurt. That was on the job training for Yarde lol.

Breh it’s not that easy to be consistent to the body vs Kovalev, that jab keeps u off. Going to the body leaves u exposed too. Also Kovalev has always gone to the body’s before, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kovalev attacks canelo to the body himself early.

Can Canelo do it I guess it could be possible but it looks unlikely to me.

 

[krackdagawd]

That’s the thing, he’s not big and strong enough. If he was ward size then yes he could do those things possibly and even out box Kovalev. You would think that’s what he’s betting on, to follow wards blueprint but he’s Just not big enough. Canelo is gonna have to go through the fire to even get inside(there’s a lot of weight behind that jab) even if he does he’s not gonna be strong enough to fight in the clinch. Honestly what ward did I don’t think any fighter can do, he’s just really crafty.

Another thing is ward fought guys at 175 to prepare for Kovalev, canelo hasn’t done that. That marshmallow at 168 wasn’t even close to that.

I think Kovalev game plan is to box from the outside and fight off the back foot in spots like he did Hopkins.

Canelo has been sparring 175lbers since he was a jr middleweight.

 

[GzUp]

Canelo has been sparring 175lbers since he was a jr middleweight.

Sparring is different... I hear in the gym people spar bigger men a lot ... we will see.

 

[Knicksman20]

Breh it’s not that easy to be consistent to the body vs Kovalev, that jab keeps u off. Going to the body leaves u exposed too. Also Kovalev has always gone to the body’s before, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kovalev attacks canelo to the body himself early.

Can Canelo do it I guess it could be possible but it looks unlikely to me.

Nah bro this is where we differ. I've never seen him go consistently to the body in his career. That Yarde fight where he did that was an anomaly. I believe they specifically planned that strategy because he uses a half assed version of the shoulder roll. We'll see how KKKovalev reacts to fast accurate counters coming his way to the head & body. Also Canelo was able to jab with GGG who's a good jabber himself. Kovalev's reach isn't much longer than GGG's if I'm not mistaken; maybe 1 or 2 inches more.

Canelo is an elite fighter in his prime. That's why I think he can pull this off. If Kovalev was still in his prime there's no way Canelo beats him

 

[reservoirdogs]

hesitantly voted for a Canelo decision

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

I've never seen him go consistently to the body in his career.

Kov do go to the body pretty frequently. He is a full body puncher as in he hits the chest, shoulder, and arms also. His jab to the body is one of his signatures and one of the best in the game.

 

[GzUp]

Nah bro this is where we differ. I've never seen him go consistently to the body in his career. That Yarde fight where he did that was an anomaly. I believe they specifically planned that strategy because he uses a half assed version of the shoulder roll. We'll see how KKKovalev reacts to fast accurate counters coming his way to the head & body. Also Canelo was able to jab with GGG who's a good jabber himself. Kovalev's reach isn't much longer than GGG's if I'm not mistaken; maybe 1 or 2 inches more.

Canelo is an elite fighter in his prime. That's why I think he can pull this off. If Kovalev was still in his prime there's no way Canelo beats him

I’ve watched all of Kovalev fights and he’s always consistent to the body.

I know what canelo can do but I don’t think he’ll be successful because of the size difference. Same way Garcia couldn’t do it against Spence. Kovalev can fight off the back foot to which would make it even more difficult for canelo.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

So I spend about 3 hours a day visioning this fight in my head and I still don’t see the path for victory for canelo.

I think it will be another Spence vs Garcia where Garcia couldn’t get inside because of the reach. I read somewhere that canelo was planning to outbox him from the outside? Trolling?

Unless he steroids up and walks through everything Kovalev throws.

To be honest this is the least confident I've ever been going into a canelo fight. I would much rather him stick at 160 and wipe out all them B level dudes. But I still think he's gonna pull it off. Canelo wants this to be his Mayweather-delahoya performance. I don't expect him to stand and trade too much. He's gonna get in and out and use upper body movement to frustrate kovalev. I don't understand the spence-mikey comparisons. Spence was not only bigger than mikey, he was also faster. And also a better athlete. Thats not the case here. Kovalev has never experienced speed like canelo's. Once canelo lands a couple counters I think Kov is gonna be a hesitant to sit down on anything.

Also wouldn't be shocked if kovalev actually has some trouble with canelo's shorter stature. Canelo's smaller frame means his punches are gonna get to the target much quicker. Kovalev has never had to deal with this. There's so many variables to consider that's why it's such a great matchup. You just have no idea how it's gonna play out. But I know for sure it's not gonna look anything like Spence-Garcia. Canelo has quite a few phsyical and technical advantages where mikey pretty much had none.

I still believe this is gonna come down to canelo's speed vs kovalev's power. If kovalev is able to time canelo he can possibly get him out of there. But timing canelo is one of the most difficult tasks in boxing. His upper body movement is just too fukkin good for anybody to land clean. But the scary part part about this fight is that kovalev really only has to time him one time to end it. Canelo's gonna have to walk the tight rope for 12 rounds.


And that's exactly what he's gonna do

 

[krackdagawd]

To be honest this is the least confident I've ever been going into a canelo fight. I would much rather him stick at 160 and wipe out all them B level dudes. But I still think he's gonna pull it off. Canelo wants this to be his Mayweather-delahoya performance. I don't expect him to stand and trade too much. He's gonna get in and out and use upper body movement to frustrate kovalev. I don't understand the spence-mikey comparisons. Spence was not only bigger than mikey, he was also faster. And also a better athlete. Thats not the case here. Kovalev has never experienced speed like canelo's. Once canelo lands a couple counters I think Kov is gonna be a hesitant to sit down on anything.

Also wouldn't be shocked if kovalev actually has some trouble with canelo's shorter stature. Canelo's smaller frame means his punches are gonna get to the target much quicker. Kovalev has never had to deal with this. There's so many variables to consider that's why it's such a great matchup. You just have no idea how it's gonna play out. But I know for sure it's not gonna look anything like Spence-Garcia. Canelo has quite a few phsyical and technical advantages where mikey pretty much had none.

I still believe this is gonna come down to canelo's speed vs kovalev's power. If kovalev is able to time canelo he can possibly get him out of there. But timing canelo is one of the most difficult tasks in boxing. His upper body movement is just too fukkin good for anybody to land clean. But the scary part part about this fight is that kovalev really only has to time him one time to end it. Canelo's gonna have to walk the tight rope for 12 rounds.


And that's exactly what he's gonna do

I don't know how nikkas can be fans of boxing and not fukk with Canelo. Dude could have took that DAZN money and went on easy mode but nah he is going to look for a challenge. That is his career in a nutshell always looking for a challenge. Dudes are just NOT built like that anymore that is some shyt rarely seen in this era you have to respect it.

 

[GzUp]

To be honest this is the least confident I've ever been going into a canelo fight. I would much rather him stick at 160 and wipe out all them B level dudes. But I still think he's gonna pull it off. Canelo wants this to be his Mayweather-delahoya performance. I don't expect him to stand and trade too much. He's gonna get in and out and use upper body movement to frustrate kovalev. I don't understand the spence-mikey comparisons. Spence was not only bigger than mikey, he was also faster. And also a better athlete. Thats not the case here. Kovalev has never experienced speed like canelo's. Once canelo lands a couple counters I think Kov is gonna be a hesitant to sit down on anything.

Also wouldn't be shocked if kovalev actually has some trouble with canelo's shorter stature. Canelo's smaller frame means his punches are gonna get to the target much quicker. Kovalev has never had to deal with this. There's so many variables to consider that's why it's such a great matchup. You just have no idea how it's gonna play out. But I know for sure it's not gonna look anything like Spence-Garcia. Canelo has quite a few phsyical and technical advantages where mikey pretty much had none.

I still believe this is gonna come down to canelo's speed vs kovalev's power. If kovalev is able to time canelo he can possibly get him out of there. But timing canelo is one of the most difficult tasks in boxing. His upper body movement is just too fukkin good for anybody to land clean. But the scary part part about this fight is that kovalev really only has to time him one time to end it. Canelo's gonna have to walk the tight rope for 12 rounds.


And that's exactly what he's gonna do

Breh U guys underestimating Kovalev, he’s been in there with good fighters and has top skills, canelo ain’t the only one... I’ve basically been repeating myself this whole thread so I won’t regurgitate what I’ve already said.

We just gonna have to wait and see.